Rumour Bluemour Discussion XL - ‘Silly Season’ in full swing 😱

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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Thanks all!

 

[marcmurphy3]

I would think it would be (if it were the Suns chasing Charlie, and then Humphrey requesting a trade to us) Charlie for Humphrey + F1, at a minimum but also probably about the most of what we could get.

Suns would be odds on to be top 4 next year with Charlie in the team (and probably without), so it’s a late F1.

We’d then be able to play around with the TDK and SOS compo picks for more points, and potentially a little extra for 26.

I possibly agree if its Curnow to Suns, however, if its curnow to Sydney with picks to GC for Humphrey, then I think Humphrey costs more. As GC will have less need and incentive to trade him.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

George played VFL last year didn’t he?
FA on less coin vs salary dump so there’s a difference on the trade scenario & outlook.

Florent isn’t the same makeup as GH.

Ainsworth, if/when he stands up, all the better. Only serviceable but overpaid so far in his career for GC to hold onto VIC players.

What do you know about the make up of Florent? He was on a streak of like 130 games in a row going into this year with multiple top 10 BnF finishes in a team that made 2 Grand Finals in the last 3 years... The downplaying of him is hilarious.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

7 for Flanders is an overpay, but it's not crazy over.

Especially given that I can't immediately think of a draftee in that range who I am confident will have a career like Flanders to date

In this draft I'd say thats pretty much spot on. Would take Flanders ahead of most targets around that pick range.

 

[Blue__Balls]

What do Gold coast need to make sure they can match and draft their academy players, and was do people think is the value of petracca, what do GC need to give up?

Uwland @ Pick 2 - 2233pts (discounted from 2481pts)
Patterson @ Pick 4 - 1766pts (discounted from 1962pts)
Addinsall @ Pick 26 - 561pts (no discount? can't find anything definitive)

Once the Allen compo is added, GC will have Picks 7, 8, 15, 18, 35 and 51 as far as points-relevant picks.

7 and 8 will match Uwland with 753pts spare, 7 moves up and 8 moves back to 21. 15 and 18 move up one spot each.
14 and 17 will match Patterson with 137pts spare, 14 moves up and 17 moves back to 46. 35 and 51 move up one spot each.
34, 46 and 50 will just about match Adinsall exactly (4pts spare).

So as it stands, they're all set based on current draft position estimates.

But getting Petracca is going to chew up some assets, and they're not gonna be getting much for Ainsworth.

Looks a bit like they might need to entertain trading someone out. Or they just pass on Addinsall, accrue some more mid range picks, and match Patterson that way.

 

[ferrisb]

Natural talent sometimes ****s the appetite for the grind, everything comes too easily

And that's why you're not the rich Jeffrey Lebowski...

 

[Bluebag13]

I possibly agree if its Curnow to Suns, however, if its curnow to Sydney with picks to GC for Humphrey, then I think Humphrey costs more. As GC will have less need and incentive to trade him.

The only incentives and admittedly they aren't strong:

• a go home factor for Humphrey and the rumour tom morris suggested that dimma is sympathetic to that
• the need for picks to get petracca and their academy players.

 

[Stamos]

I possibly agree if its Curnow to Suns, however, if its curnow to Sydney with picks to GC for Humphrey, then I think Humphrey costs more. As GC will have less need and incentive to trade him.

Absolutely. Which is why I don’t think there’s a chance they trade him.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Uwland @ Pick 2 - 2233pts (discounted from 2481pts)
Patterson @ Pick 4 - 1766pts (discounted from 1962pts)
Addinsall @ Pick 26 - 561pts (no discount? can't find anything definitive)

Once the Allen compo is added, GC will have Picks 7, 8, 15, 18, 35 and 51 as far as points-relevant picks.

7 and 8 will match Uwland with 753pts spare, 7 moves up and 8 moves back to 21. 15, 18, 35 and 51 move up one spot each.
14 and 17 will match Patterson with 137pts spare, 14 moves up and 17 moves back to 46. 34 and 50 move up one spot each.
33, 46 and 49 will match Adinsall with 41pts spare.

So as it stands, they're all set based on current draft position estimates.

But getting Petracca is going to chew up some assets, and they're not gonna be getting much for Ainsworth.

Looks a bit like they might need to entertain trading someone out. Or they just pass on Addinsall, accrue some more mid range picks, and match Patterson that way.

They can probably turn whichever pick of 7 and 8 they dont use on petracca, into more points by trading down. Plus have the ability to go into deficit.

 

[Stamos]

Addinsall @ Pick 26 - 561pts (no discount? can't find anything definitive)

84 point discount for bids at 19-36

The can also go into deficit, or live trade futures into this draft for more points if they want.

 

[Bluebag13]

Uwland @ Pick 2 - 2233pts (discounted from 2481pts)
Patterson @ Pick 4 - 1766pts (discounted from 1962pts)
Addinsall @ Pick 26 - 561pts (no discount? can't find anything definitive)

Once the Allen compo is added, GC will have Picks 7, 8, 15, 18, 35 and 51 as far as points-relevant picks.

7 and 8 will match Uwland with 753pts spare, 7 moves up and 8 moves back to 21. 15, 18, 35 and 51 move up one spot each.
14 and 17 will match Patterson with 137pts spare, 14 moves up and 17 moves back to 46. 34 and 50 move up one spot each.
33, 46 and 49 will match Adinsall with 41pts spare.

So as it stands, they're all set based on current draft position estimates.

But getting Petracca is going to chew up some assets, and they're not gonna be getting much for Ainsworth.

Looks a bit like they might need to entertain trading someone out. Or they just pass on Addinsall, accrue some more mid range picks, and match Patterson that way.

Thank you mate, really appreciate it.
Gives me a little hope that draft picks for Humphrey if he decides on wanting away, could put us in a good position to secure him

 

[marcmurphy3]

The only incentives and admittedly they aren't strong:

• a go home factor for Humphrey and the rumour tom morris suggested that dimma is sympathetic to that
• the need for picks to get petracca and their academy players.

I dont think they'll need to trade Humphrey for more points. I think they'll be ok to match bids as things stand.

The only unknown is what his personal circumstances are. If its just general homesickness and wanting to be in Vic, I dont think that influences their decision to trade.

If there is a family member that is sick or going through significant issues, then that might.

 

[Bluebag13]

I dont think they'll need to trade Humphrey for more points. I think they'll be ok to match bids as things stand.

The only unknown is what his personal circumstances are. If its just general homesickness I dont think that influences their decision to trade.

If there is a family member that is sick or going thriugh significant issues, then that might.

Yep agree. Just trying to find a glimmer of hope for us haha

 

[marcmurphy3]

Yep agree. Just trying to find a glimmer of hope for us haha

I think there is a glimmer. How realistic is always hard to know from the outside

 

[Blue__Balls]

GW or Austin need to get on the blower to Dimma to bang on about how having Charlie will significantly improve their chances of a flag in the next few years and how much of a Hero he will be at Gold Coast.

Also throw in the fact that Benny King is keen to get back to Melbourne perhaps next year and Charlie is better value than JUH and they don't want to end up with no key forward if they want to be in a GF and win a Premiership.

If we start trying to sell them Charlie, the offers will drop, not increase.

Our best play would be to photoshop King into some photos with Fly or Chris Scott and leak them anonymously to Ralphy.

 

[StanleyBeren]

Anyone worried about Florent should remember that our current B&F wasn't a walk up start for Sydney either. He'd slot in fine for us in quite a few different areas.

 

[T2B_]

Where are the Bluemours

 

[Blue__Balls]

Anyone worried about Florent should remember that our current B&F wasn't a walk up start for Sydney either. He'd slot in fine for us in quite a few different areas.

Yep, but he's seemingly not in their plans moving forward, so his value should be negligible. He's steakknives, not a key component in a deal.

 

[Dramoth]

Could Blues Swans and GC do a 3 way deal for Charlie with Ainsworth involved?
Swans throw in a decent player and picks for Charlie an we send one of those picks to GC for Ainsworth?
Although atm the Swans dont want to give up diddly squat for a quality player in Charlie.

I'd go
Swans F1, pick 10, pick 31, and Hayward -> Carlton
Charlie, F2 -> Swans
Pick 31 (Swans), Pick 40 (Carlton) -> GC17
Ainsworth, F2 or/and pick 35 -> Carlton

 

[The Bighouse]

Pretty much wat I said in my post
Not sure why you and sweet seventeen got the angriness
You must have misread my post

is usually at the situation, not the poster.
If on JUH, disagreeing would be on the Bulldogs being on the hook for further coin at $800K.

 

[Dramoth]

Why do WC want McDonald? I know he's from WA, but they have an abundance of options as KPFs... despite losing Allan...

If Allan had stayed in WA, I would have been suggesting that we look at one of their young KPF with the TDK compo pick.

 

[Stamos]

I'd go

Pick 31 (Swans), Pick 40 (Carlton) -> GC17
Ainsworth, F2 or/and pick 35 -> Carlton

huh?

 

[BluesForEternity]

West Coast lose their skipper, gain pick two; Butters’ Blues training connection, Saints land Flanders

Recap all the action from day three of this year’s AFL trade period as it happened, with all the news and the best analysis in the business.

www.theage.com.au

Butters spotted with Torin Baker (our development coach) in Melbourne...

 

[bluebaggerjuls]

West Coast lose their skipper, gain pick two; Butters’ Blues training connection, Saints land Flanders

Recap all the action from day three of this year’s AFL trade period as it happened, with all the news and the best analysis in the business.

www.theage.com.au

Butters spotted with Torin Baker (our development coach) in Melbourne...

Wow!

 

[HarryFlashman]

he doesn't talk. pass

I dunno, historically Carlton players who don’t talk are deadset guns

 

[Blue__Balls]

Torin Baker, recruit of the century!