Hot Topic CARLTON SUPPORTERS ONLY - Carlton fires Captain Carlton

[Gethelred]

Carlton caught up in fresh storm over club mascot

A statement has been issued and the person at the centre of the incident has been sacked.

7news.com.au

This thread is for the discussion of the sacking of a club mascot after refusing to participate in a bar mitzvah which was allegedly sending money back to the IDF.

By taking this position and labelling the act racist, the club has taken a position on the Israel-Palestine conflict.

This thread concerns a discussion of the following:

• whether it is acceptable for the club to fire someone for taking a political stance.
• whether it is a good idea for the club to have taken a public position on this issue.

This thread is not a thread in which you should partake in expressing your political beliefs concerning the conflict, nor is it somewhere in which forum rules do not apply.

Should you seek to participate in conversation related to the war, you can do so here:

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There's also a thread on the SRP for a more robust discussion than can be permitted here:

Moved Thread - Blues mascot 'Captain Carlton' sacked after walking out of Bar Mitzvah and comments about Zionists.

Blues off to a flyer for the off season :D But surely one can criticise the actions of the IDF without being 'anti semitic' ‘Not doing this for f---ing Zios’: Captain Carlton mascot storms out of Bar Mitzvah celebration A man working as a mascot for the Carlton Football Club has stunned...

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If you wish to participate in this thread, do so knowing that this will not be allowed to escalate beyond a point.

Thanks all!

 

[Bletch]

Of course it was directed at the kid. It was his decision.

Were you there? (genuine question)

 

[T2B_]

Wish he had gone quieter, now it can be argued he was fired for swearing and carrying on like a turkey around sensitive ears, or whatever.

No problem with his protest and walking out itself... just could have handled it better.

 

[Rosscoe 17]

Were you there? (genuine question)

My understanding is that the kid decided he wanted his presents to be donated. Hardly something to cause a stink over.

 

[katmanblue]

Equally the club should have been informed that the Bar Mitzvah was going to include fundraising for the IDF (not something you would normally expect at a religious coming of age event) and had a duty to tell its employee it was more than just a Bar Mitzvah event.

It doesn't excuse CC's behaviour and alleged response, but doesn't excuse the Club representatives at the event either if they knew and didn't inform the Club and CC.

It could also be as innocent as the MC asking the kid on question "so what are you gonna do with the money?" And the kid saying "I'm going to send it to the injured soldiers" all with the best of intentions, with the innocence of youth.

It may not have been a formal money raising event. Then again, it could also have been a money raising event dressed up as bah mitzvah.

I don't think that information has been released anywhere.

I'd love to know CC's version of events.

 

[Moon]

Wish he had gone quieter, now it can be argued he was fired for swearing and carrying on like a turkey around sensitive ears, or whatever.

No problem with his protest and walking out itself... just could have handled it better.

Yeah .. should've taken a bathroom break and excused himself .. then duck out the back door and do a runner.
The ol' Exit Stage left disappearing Act. Wouldn't be the first time a fella wearing a Carlton guernsey went missing

 

[azlou]

I’ve always found CC cringe wouldn’t be sad to see him not replaced

 

[Chief]

I think the club has dropped the ball in both speaking of expectations (no swearing at a kid's event),

Did he say it out loud to the room or under his breath to a colleague? I haven't read more than what's in here.

 

[El Topo]

I’ve always found CC cringe wouldn’t be sad to see him not replaced

Nina has entered the thread

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Of course it was directed at the kid. It was his decision.

That doesn't follow the comment was directed at the kid. It appears to be directed at the recipients of the money.

 

[BlackGoanna]

This thread is classic example of common sense and facts being left at the door, to try and frame a senseless arguement based on political beliefs.

 

[Bletch]

Quick kudos for the mods. One, for allowing discussion on this topic at all. And two, for cleaning out the stuff that belongs elsewhere. Thanks.

 

[passmark]

Absolutely no issue with him not wanting to participate. I'd have done the same. But responding with "Not doing this for ******* Zios" is crossing the line.

Bullshit.

 

[Rosscoe 17]

That doesn't follow the comment was directed at the kid. It appears to be directed at the recipients of the money.

I think that whether the term Zionist is racist is best defined by the recipient.

 

[passmark]

Shameful by the club. What sort of birthday party raises money for soldiers committing genocide?

Exactly.

Disgusting action by the club.

 

[ctwenty1]

Exactly.

Disgusting action by the club.

Nope

 

[BluStreak]

I have been to Bar and Bat mitzvahs and yes money is collected for the individual who then decides what they are going to do with it.
At no event that I have attended have any money been raised for anythingelse. The event is for the celebration of the individual turning 13.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Being a Zionist is a political belief, not an inate characteristic of a person.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

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I think that whether the term Zionist is racist is best defined by the recipient.

Which race?

There are an awful lot of Jews who are anti-zionist you know.

 

[Dramoth]

I have been to Bar and Bat mitzvahs and yes money is collected for the individual who then decides what they are going to do with it.
At no event that I have attended have any money been raised for anythingelse. The event is for the celebration of the individual turning 13.

The thing to do by both the kid and the parents would have been to have the Bar Mitzvah, and then make the decision on what to do with the money afterwards. Who knows... there might have been some attendees who would have been uncomfortable with the decision to give the money to wounded IDF soldiers. Why bring a political act into a celebration of coming of age.

 

[Dramoth]

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I think that whether the term Zionist is racist is best defined by the recipient.

The biggest question is what race are Zionists? And don't bring a religious group into it either.

 

[Chief]

the cause

Yeah I think that was the problem.

 

[Chief]

"I'm not doing this for f****** f******".

There has never been a country full of gay people who have committed genocide.

 

[Rosscoe 17]

Which race?

There are an awful lot of Jews who are anti-zionist you know.

It is calling a Jew a Zionist that does not share that political belief, that is racist. Donating to wounded soldiers does not make the recipients or the person donating a Zionist by definition.

 

[agro]

Shameful by the club. What sort of birthday party raises money for soldiers committing genocide?

what is the population of Gaza pre-7th October 2023 and what is its current population?

 

[ctwenty1]

There has never been a country full of gay people who have committed genocide.

Hasn’t been a country full of Jews or zionists who committed one either