Hot Topic CARLTON SUPPORTERS ONLY - Carlton fires Captain Carlton

[Gethelred]

Carlton caught up in fresh storm over club mascot

A statement has been issued and the person at the centre of the incident has been sacked.

7news.com.au

This thread is for the discussion of the sacking of a club mascot after refusing to participate in a bar mitzvah which was allegedly sending money back to the IDF.

By taking this position and labelling the act racist, the club has taken a position on the Israel-Palestine conflict.

This thread concerns a discussion of the following:

• whether it is acceptable for the club to fire someone for taking a political stance.
• whether it is a good idea for the club to have taken a public position on this issue.

This thread is not a thread in which you should partake in expressing your political beliefs concerning the conflict, nor is it somewhere in which forum rules do not apply.

Should you seek to participate in conversation related to the war, you can do so here:

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack IV - Probable Case of Genocide

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www.bigfooty.com

There's also a thread on the SRP for a more robust discussion than can be permitted here:

Moved Thread - Blues mascot 'Captain Carlton' sacked after walking out of Bar Mitzvah and comments about Zionists.

Blues off to a flyer for the off season :D But surely one can criticise the actions of the IDF without being 'anti semitic' ‘Not doing this for f---ing Zios’: Captain Carlton mascot storms out of Bar Mitzvah celebration A man working as a mascot for the Carlton Football Club has stunned...

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If you wish to participate in this thread, do so knowing that this will not be allowed to escalate beyond a point.

Thanks all!

 

[Chief]

Hasn’t been a country full of Jews or zionists who committed one either

And there you have it.

Denial that there is even a valid political stance to take.

 

[jj1978]

what is the population of Gaza pre-7th October 2023 and what is its current population?

Grew about 500k, 10% exceeding the less than 1% world population growth in the same time.

Mod Edit: this post is misinformative.

Prewar data falsely used to show rise in Gaza population

Human rights nonprofit Amnesty International released a Dec. 5 report that found Israel is committing genocide in the Ga

www.politifact.com

 

[Mondyboy]

If he said Zio, then it’s worth noting that it’s an anti-semitic slur coined by the KKK that’s linked to the Protocols of Zion.

Zionism isn’t a race. It’s a form of secular nationalism. The majority of Jewish people are Zionists. Most Australian Jews are Zionist. I’m not saying there aren’t anti-Zionist Jews. There absolutely are. They are a minority though.

But even with that Zionism comes in multiple flavours, like all forms of nationalism. There’s secular and religious Zionism. There aes two state solution Zionists. Right of return Zionist and genocidal Zionists. Because every group has horrible people. Including yours.

As for Captain Carlton, if he did say Zio then that’s a deal breaker for me.

 

[ctwenty1]

And there you have it.

Denial that there is even a valid political stance to take.

right back at you, champ

 

[Chief]

right back at you, champ

That doesn't even make sense.

 

[Chief]

There has also never been a "genocide" where the other side can stop it immediately by releasing all hostages and committing to a ceasefire.

And when it stops, let us know.

 

[Bletch]

ffs. can posters please read the sticky? This isn't the place for discussion of the Gaza conflict.

 

[Chief]

You described it as a genocide

I disagreed

And then you accuse me of denying your valid political stance because I don’t agree it’s a genocide

No I was referring to the sticky above.

"whether it is acceptable for the club to fire someone for taking a political stance."

Denying it is even a political stance by denying the genocide. Therefore it must have been something else. Which makes the sacking justified.

That's all.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Came here to express my admiration for Captain Carlton and solidarity with you all, hadn't realised that they'd fired him. A great shame, but you should all be very proud of your mascot.

#IStandWithCaptainCarlton

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

This issue can be discussed, but only where the club is concerned. Anything else can be taken to the main board thread or SRP. I shouldn't have to keep reminding people.

If we wake up tomorrow to more of the same, and have to clean it up, we won't be as charitable.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Actually, curfew has kicked in. Thread closed until morning.

 

[Gethelred]

Thread open again.

Let's try and get along a little better than yesterday, please.

 

[Stamos]

Grew about 500k, 10% exceeding the less than 1% world population growth in the same time.

Mod Edit: this post is misinformative.

Prewar data falsely used to show rise in Gaza population

Human rights nonprofit Amnesty International released a Dec. 5 report that found Israel is committing genocide in the Ga

www.politifact.com

Thanks Mods

 

[mickelboy182]

Grew about 500k, 10% exceeding the less than 1% world population growth in the same time.

Mod Edit: this post is misinformative.

Prewar data falsely used to show rise in Gaza population

Human rights nonprofit Amnesty International released a Dec. 5 report that found Israel is committing genocide in the Ga

www.politifact.com

Got noted on BigFooty of all places.

 

[perthblue]

If he said Zio, then it’s worth noting that it’s an anti-semitic slur coined by the KKK that’s linked to the Protocols of Zion.

I do not know the mind of Captain Carlton, but I would wager that "****ing Zios" had precisely zero to do with the KKK or Protocols of Zion, and was just a shortening of 'zionists'

 

[BluStreak]

Im sorry but there are many posts in this thread purtaining to the conflict in Gaza that are politically motivated and have remained on here..
The issue being discussed is should the Club sack an employee for bringing the club into disrepute.

 

[mickelboy182]

Im sorry but there are many posts in this thread purtaining to the conflict in Gaza that are politically motivated and have remained on here..
The issue being discussed is should the Club sack an employee for bringing the club into disrepute.

I think the issue is the parameters here are perilously difficult to navigate without talking about the conflict.

Take the issue as you've defined it here: a purely bipartisan stance would make CC sackable on either side; he is either storming out on a club obligation or party to fundraising for a regime whose actions have been repeatedly condemned by the Australian government. A complete lose-lose situation which the club is responsible for.

 

[ctwenty1]

Is donation of money to injured IDF soldiers illegal?

 

[mickelboy182]

Is donation of money to injured IDF soldiers illegal?

Relevance? Nobody is alleging it.

 

[BluStreak]

I think the issue is the parameters here are perilously difficult to navigate without talking about the conflict.

Take the issue as you've defined it here: a purely bipartisan stance would make CC sackable on either side; he is either storming out on a club obligation or party to fundraising for a regime whose actions have been repeatedly condemned by the Australian government. A complete lose-lose situation which the club is responsible for.

i disagree completely and utterly. This can be discussed completely without the conflict. It is completely irrelevant to the behaviour reported.

 

[mickelboy182]

i disagree completely and utterly. This can be discussed completely without the conflict. It is completely irrelevant to the behaviour reported.

Care to entertain the second half of my post?

 

[BluStreak]

Care to entertain the second half of my post?

you and others presume that there is fundraising for the IDF when it has been reported that money will be given to wounded soldiers. That is completely different situations or circumstances. One suggests military aid the other humanitarian aid.
Irrespective of the destination it is up to the child do decide where he spends his money not CC.

 

[perthblue]

Is donation of money to injured IDF soldiers illegal?

No. And?

 

[mickelboy182]

you and others presume that there is fundraising for the IDF when it has been reported that money will be given to wounded soldiers. That is completely different situations or circumstances. One suggests military aid the other humanitarian aid.
Irrespective of the destination it is up to the child do decide where he spends his money not CC.

Wounded soldiers who would be under the care and thus financial strains of... the IDF. Surely you can piece together the issue here.

 

[Will_Hayward]

It's almost impossible to have a meaningful discussion about the issue in line with the guidelines and the thread is a beacon for people posting misinformation. I'm not sure there's any value in keeping it up.