Unofficial Preview 2025 Hawk's Hypothetical Trade Discussion...now with added DFA spitballing!

[Strapping Young Lad]

This thread is becoming increasingly popular, and to keep some sort of order, we will have some….

Rules of engagement:

1. Bring valid news or links to Twitter posts from notable sources. Don’t post screenshots or “some bloke just said on SEN” or what some “trade whisperer” has posted on a Facebook page.

2. Ignore what other team boards are putting up as trade offers. Don’t quote or bring them here either.

3. Don’t post “buckle up” for the lols.

4. If you can’t say anything nice about Worpel or CJ, don’t say anything at all. The continued slaps and backhanders are just going to be deleted.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

It would be a big yacht too.

Seem like the person who would be by themselves

 

[Dewnior]

Yeah no kidding, the whole point of the hypothetical was if they DO match then they lose pick 9, and we got pick 22 for cheap as our potential draft pool at our first pick doesn’t change, it would also bring our pick 22 in as their pick 11 blows out.

Whether or not they actually match is a different question.

I am well aware that if they don’t match then nothing changes…

We didn't get pick 22 for cheap

 

[grumbleguts]

Off the top of my head, Keith Greig (2) and Dipper won Brownlow's playing on the wing. Peter Matera, Izaac Smith won normies

Wasn't Gary Ayers named on the wing in one of his normies?

 

[barbster]

We didn't get pick 22 for cheap

Agreed. It’s basically Silvagni for Worpel, CJ and a 2nd rounder.

 

[sven_inc]

Is there a list of all the recent delisted players?

 

[Rimsy]

Is there a list of all the recent delisted players?

This page is available every year

AFL Retirements, Delistings, Trades - AFL.com.au

The full list of all AFL Club retirements, delistings and trade for the current Toyota AFL Premiership Season.

www.afl.com.au

 

[jumpingjai]

Robbie Flower back in the day

Dipper Pritch

 

[ReturningHawk]

Attracted by Hollands on-field capacity but surely a move to SA or Perth would be better.

 

[timhawx]

I just cant see the value in extending the career of a de-listed player vs a player with potential that hasn't had the benefits of being in the AFL system for a number of years.
De-listing means a club feels the player has reached their development plateau, has an injury / health issue or an unresolvable attitude issue, where they no longer see any up-side or value in retaining that player.
The only time this isnt the case is when a player is de-listed with the intention of adding them to the rookie list .

The way I see it, if we dont take a punt on the next Smith, Puopolo or Newcombe then we should have just hung on to the players we just traded.

 

[Dont_be_a_Plonka]

I just cant see the value in extending the career of a de-listed player vs a player with potential that hasn't had the benefits of being in the AFL system for a number of years.
De-listing means a club feels the player has reached their development plateau, has an injury / health issue or an unresolvable attitude issue, where they no longer see any up-side or value in retaining that player.
The only time this isnt the case is when a player is de-listed with the intention of adding them to the rookie list .

The way I see it, if we dont take a punt on the next Smith, Puopolo or Newcombe then we should have just hung on to the players we just traded.

Ricky Henderson was delisted by Adelaide and was our best player for a while

 

[Nugett]

I just cant see the value in extending the career of a de-listed player vs a player with potential that hasn't had the benefits of being in the AFL system for a number of years.
De-listing means a club feels the player has reached their development plateau, has an injury / health issue or an unresolvable attitude issue, where they no longer see any up-side or value in retaining that player.
The only time this isnt the case is when a player is de-listed with the intention of adding them to the rookie list .

The way I see it, if we dont take a punt on the next Smith, Puopolo or Newcombe then we should have just hung on to the players we just traded.

Some times players thrive in another environment. I can see the club using all three options, of DFA, draft and the mid season draft next year.

We delisted Ned Long last year, he went alright last year for Collingwood. Sheamus Mitchell could do well at another club, that could use his strengths. Who’s to say that we can’t find a DFA that can fill a need? Worst case scenario is that they play at Boxhill until they are delisted again. Best case scenario is that we can unlock what was holding them back at their previous club.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Ricky Henderson was delisted by Adelaide and was our best player for a while

That had more to do with our list and gamestyle at the time more than it did Hendo.

 

[fairdinks]

I just cant see the value in extending the career of a de-listed player vs a player with potential that hasn't had the benefits of being in the AFL system for a number of years.
De-listing means a club feels the player has reached their development plateau, has an injury / health issue or an unresolvable attitude issue, where they no longer see any up-side or value in retaining that player.
The only time this isnt the case is when a player is de-listed with the intention of adding them to the rookie list .

The way I see it, if we dont take a punt on the next Smith, Puopolo or Newcombe then we should have just hung on to the players we just traded.

We need to add around 6 players. We can't get them all in the draft as the bottom 3 will likely never make it. A DFA perhaps has the ability to be a serviceable depth player or have a breakout and become better.

I reckon we will take 3 from the draft (pick 10 and pick 22 plus a speculator) and 3 from DFA, PSD or even leave a spot for a potential MSD pick up.

 

[TheFourPillars]

We need to add around 6 players. We can't get them all in the draft as the bottom 3 will likely never make it. A DFA perhaps has the ability to be a serviceable depth player or have a breakout and become better.

I reckon we will take 3 from the draft (pick 10 and pick 22 plus a speculator) and 3 from DFA, PSD or even leave a spot for a potential MSD pick up.

We r not adding 6 players this year from the draft or else where. There was a post on this board that explained everything

 

[fairdinks]

We r not adding 6 players this year from the draft or else where. There was a post on this board that explained everything

Maybe not 6 but I said 'around' 6. I can't see us going in with 2 or more under our quota, so that means 5 from the draft and all the other options including rookies.

I can see us leaving one space open for the MSD as it just may provide a lifeline in case of a LTI to player with little backup depth.

Genuine question....What is the value in not utilising all your list space? it only needs to be a 12-month deal, so not locked in beyond 2026 and thereby impacting our list flexibility into 2027? Money is not an issue, surely

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

We r not adding 6 players this year from the draft or else where. There was a post on this board that explained everything

Where’s that post?

 

[fairdinks]

Where’s that post?

I think T4P was referring to a post explaining our primary list numbers and our rookie categories. We may upgrade some rookies and not take as many new players onto the primary list, but it still leaves extra room on our rookie list for a total up to 44.

Or am I not seeing something here?

 

[Mercy Seat]

That had more to do with our list and gamestyle at the time more than it did Hendo.

Nah, we finished top 4 in 2018 and was a bloody gun. Should have been AA by literally every metric the following year. Many Adelaide supporters were rightfully disappointed he got let go in the end.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I think T4P was referring to a post explaining our primary list numbers and our rookie categories. We may upgrade some rookies and not take as many new players onto the primary list, but it still leaves extra room on our rookie list for a total up to 44.

Or am I not seeing something here?

Yes, but the “there’s a post here somewhere” isn’t super helpful.

 

[fairdinks]

Yes, but the “there’s a post here somewhere” isn’t super helpful.

fair enough.

I respect T4P's posting and I want to understand why we would not add at least 5 or 6 players (in any category). Is there an alternative plan by hawks?

We have lost 7, so have the room and it doesn't make sense to me that we would go into 2026 several players short of the allowable max.

 

[Teamwork Talks]

Yes, but the “there’s a post here somewhere” isn’t super helpful.

It was a post by MazHawk on 21 October. I don't know its number

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

It was a post by MazHawk on 21 October. I don't know its number

Got it.

Bit of confusion here so I'll try to explain it better. Here goes.

Clubs can have a maximum of 44 on their list made up of Primary & rookie players. Minimum list size is 37.

Primary list must have a minimum 36 players up to a maximum of 38. Up to 6 rookies can be taken.

With the losses of Serong, Worpel, Frost, Breust & CJ our Primary list is down to 33, and
with the delistings of Scaife & Mitchell our rookies are down to 2.

We need only take a minimum of 3 picks from the draft.
We can take up to 5.
Upgrading a rookie can count as a pick so purely for example if we were to upgrade Max we'd only need to take two picks in the draft.

These numbers are current as of now. I honestly don't see any other delistings - Ryan should get another contract and he's the last of our OOC players.

Pretty sure that's right but as I said earlier this girl doesn't like maths

 

[TheFourPillars]

So if we dont think there are players good enough to be added to the list then we wont.

Readjust contracts plan for the future. I assume this probably already happening /happened

 

[Simon Crawshay]

That had more to do with our list and gamestyle at the time more than it did Hendo.

I'll have no Hendo bashing here, his 2019 year in particular was absolutely outstanding.

 

[SSSSSS]

That had more to do with our list and gamestyle at the time more than it did Hendo.

Hendo was a solid player for the Crows even when he left. I remember some Adelaide supporters telling me we've picked up a decent player. He just had too many in front of him in that wing/HFF role.

Seedsman and Smith were locks in the 22 on the wing for the Crows. Lynch and McGovern had the HFF spots covered.

He just couldn't crack it in a preferred position and they let him go.

Sometimes teams just have logjams in certain positions and a lack of opportunity rather than talent is the issue.