Unofficial Preview 2025 Hawk's Hypothetical Trade Discussion...now with added DFA spitballing!

[Strapping Young Lad]

This thread is becoming increasingly popular, and to keep some sort of order, we will have some….

Rules of engagement:

1. Bring valid news or links to Twitter posts from notable sources. Don’t post screenshots or “some bloke just said on SEN” or what some “trade whisperer” has posted on a Facebook page.

2. Ignore what other team boards are putting up as trade offers. Don’t quote or bring them here either.

3. Don’t post “buckle up” for the lols.

4. If you can’t say anything nice about Worpel or CJ, don’t say anything at all. The continued slaps and backhanders are just going to be deleted.

 

[Nugett]

It’s always hard when a favourite is being talked about being moved on. If it is going to help us improve, then the call has to be made. Obtaining Petracca and Merrett help us improve our major weakness, which is the midfield. We can afford to lose Scrim, as he is in an area that is a strength, and is replaceable. He also has more value in trade than others.

Losing Worpel, I’m also comfortable with, regardless of what the compensation is, we do have a history of turning dog shit into gold. So whatever the band is, we will use it to our advantage.

For me our current untouchables are: Newcombe, Day, Weddle, Watson and Dear.

All the rest are expendable for the right price and if it helps us to win premierships.

 

[Bedi]

The only reason we can consider trading scrim is because of depth in that position plus teams will actually want to trade for him. He is a good player but we need to put the team and list management first.

Takes us back to last year's draft debate as to whether we should've got one gun defender and not two, and instead set our sights on an A-grade midfielder (which was evident last Fri). Certainly not complaining given the quality output from both TB and JB had, but kinda felt like our defence was pretty good last year too (2nd least goals conceded from round 7 or whatever it was). Sam Mitchell is certainly building a Frankesntein monster of a team – esp if we get Petracca and Merrett – but it's a shame it comes at the expense of losing heart and soul players like Scrimshaw, Frost and Worpel who set us up on this journey.

 

[ydc55]

I still think theres better ways to get Zac and Trac without trading any off our better players. it might be as easy as trading CJ and Butler.
CJ with pick 55 to Blues for pick 35
Butler with 35 to Eagles for pick 19
Worpel compo pick 20 (fingers crossed)
Pick 20 and 26 (1318 points) to GC for pick 13 (1080 points)
pick 19 to kangaroos for Duursma
Duumrsma HH and pick 8 to Scum for Zac
Pick 13 and future 1st to Demons For Trac

I like your creativeness.
I don’t think bombers would bite on Duursma and pick 8 but I don’t think you are too far off. Hustwaite probably not a need for us. We are stacked with vanilla one paced midfielders unfortunately! Will be an interesting two weeks.

 

[triple treat]

Interesting hypothetical. A lot of moving parts and relying on Worpel compo and SB & CJ leaving and GC probably have better offers.
This is why we have list managers.

I would of thought the worpel compo would be around the mark, or I hope we match and force a trade. Not sure what better offers GC would get for pick 13? You could swap 20 and 26 for 19 and 20 and see if you can tempt Carlton for pick 9!

 

[SSSSSS]

We aslo have Siciliy and Barrass in there 30's. I reluctantly agree that if it helps with getting some trades over the line then so be it but man i hope we can keep him, hes a gun!

I like the defensive edge Mass has grown to show.

I think he could be shifted to the backline to replace Amon down the track. With the vogue for taller wingers it opens the door for someone else to fill that void.

 

[HairyO]

Where have I done this?

"Simply isnt" in response to Scrimshaw being one of the first picked.
"Mraz" in response to how we would replace him. A guy who has played 0 AFL games and is literally untested.

 

[SSSSSS]

"Simply isnt" in response to Scrimshaw being one of the first picked.
"Mraz" in response to how we would replace him. A guy who has played 0 AFL games and is literally untested.

I don't think saying Scrim isn't first picked is talking him down. It's just stating a fact.

Not every player can be first picked! Believe me I know this from personal experience

 

[HairyO]

I don't think saying Scrim isn't first picked is talking him down. It's just stating a fact.

Not every player can be first picked! Believe me I know this from personal experience

"One of". And I'd say its absolutely true.

Allan Jeans said Chris Mew was always his first pick. Which threw me at first but made total sense. He was just such a powerful presence across the half back line.

 

[SSSSSS]

"One of". And I'd say its absolutely true.

Allan Jeans said Chris Mew was always his first pick. Which threw me at first but made total sense. He was just such a powerful presence across the half back line.

I mean if he was one of our first picked he wouldn't be spending weeks in the ressies (I know he came back from some concussion and some injury concerns). Looking at our back six/seven he'd probably be the last one picked!

He really only came back in the side after Weddle went down.

I'd like for Jack to stay but I can see him being the domino to fall if we want to drastically improve our midfield overnight.

There aren't many chances for a football club to completely change a line on the field (especially one that is a weakness) and we have this opportunity. If that's the price to pay I'm all for it.

 

[grumbleguts]

Tim’s the VHS tape of footy media - once useful, now just gathering dust.

He also supports and condones drug cheating.

 

[suburb whispers]

Strap yourself in…

 

[Mr Lizard]

pick 19 to kangaroos for Duursma

not to pick on your hypothetical, but this would be pretty funny.

North get this year's pick 19 for 2023's pick 4, after trading this year's pick 3 for last year's pick 27

I guess it is in the realms of possibility...

 

[Hawkers Hero]

I mean if he was one of our first picked he wouldn't be spending weeks in the ressies (I know he came back from some concussion and some injury concerns). Looking at our back six/seven he'd probably be the last one picked!

He really only came back in the side after Weddle went down.

I'd like for Jack to stay but I can see him being the domino to fall if we want to drastically improve our midfield overnight.

There aren't many chances for a football club to completely change a line on the field (especially one that is a weakness) and we have this opportunity. If that's the price to pay I'm all for it.

Yep, based on history, I imagine the match committee are picking Newk, Day, Sic, Moore, Wiz, Ginni, JB, TB, Amon, Impey, Dimma, Nash and Meek before even thinking about Scrim. Arguably, Worps and CMac too.

I love Scrim as a player and think we will miss him against taller forward lines like the Crows but if trading him gets us some meaningful midfield support i am ok with it.

The upside would also be opening up a backline spot for a Serong, Mraz, Ryan or McCabe to start the gradual replenishment of the backline.

 

[Flukey!]

How many days until the trade period?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

"Simply isnt" in response to Scrimshaw being one of the first picked.
"Mraz" in response to how we would replace him. A guy who has played 0 AFL games and is literally untested.

Since when is bringing basic facts to the table an example of talking him down.
He’s simply not picked before at least 6 other defenders.
Sicily, Barrass, Battle, Weddle, Amon and Jars all get picked ahead of him.

Also see if you can find where I said Mraz would replace him.

 

[number23]

How many days until the trade period?

Too many !

 

[Hawkk]

Strap yourself in…

Where are you guys getting this from? There is nothing in the media about this and the few ITK people I know (bugger all tbh) think Petrecca and Merrett is far too costly. Happy to be proven wrong though…

 

[Platten44]

We won’t be trading any of our players who played in the prelim unless they for some unexpected reason demand a trade. None of our contracted players want to go and play for Essendon.
Petracca’s contract was heavily back ended so will be close to $2mill a year. We won’t take that on unless Melbourne chip in, as the aim is Butters at the end of 2026.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

We won’t be trading any of our players who played in the prelim unless they for some unexpected reason demand a trade. None of our contracted players want to go and play for Essendon.
Petracca’s contract was heavily back ended so will be close to $2mill a year. We won’t take that on unless Melbourne chip in, as the aim is Butters at the end of 2026.

I think it might be a way to get another first round pick

 

[earthworms]

On further thought I believe we will need to trade one or two fringe players (HH, possibly one of Ramsden, Serong) and a decent value player (probably Scrimshaw, or possibly one of CJ, Morrison) in order to land both Merrett and Petracca without completely jeopardising our future draft hands. We will also need the Worpel comp (roughly pick 20) to get both done.

A Merrett deal would unfortunately rely on pick 8 and our F1 (roughly pick 16) as the backbone for the deal. This year’s draft is weak and highly compromised so pick 8 isn’t worth as much as it would normally be, and would be pushed back to roughly 11.

A Petracca deal would require a top 10-15 pick as the backbone that we could get through trading players and packaging picks together. E.g packaging 20 + what we get from trades for a top 10 pick. If our offer to Melbourne isn’t tempting enough they could deal Petracca somewhere else unlike the Merrett trade, where he explicitly wants Hawthorn.

Possible top 10 picks we could target for a Petracca trade:
Pick 7 from St Kilda (unless used for Flanders)
Pick 9 from Sydney
Pick 10 from the Dogs - Could be involved in a Scrimshaw trade.

Both Merrett and Petracca, despite their ages, are still elite midfielders that would revolutionise our team to the premiership favourite, and we won’t be able to land them with chump change. If our midfield core was Merrett, Petracca, Day and Newcombe we would obliterate every team in the comp, but some sacrifice will be necessary.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

as the aim is Butters at the end of 2026.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

We won’t be trading any of our players who played in the prelim unless they for some unexpected reason demand a trade. None of our contracted players want to go and play for Essendon.
Petracca’s contract was heavily back ended so will be close to $2mill a year. We won’t take that on unless Melbourne chip in, as the aim is Butters at the end of 2026.

I want to believe, but Butters is Doggies bound.

Unless something major happens.

 

[mustang]

If we got Merrett and Petracca, and lost Scrimshaw, where do we see Weddle playing on the second wing with mass on the other or taking Scrimshaw spot.

 

[FB19]

On further thought I believe we will need to trade one or two fringe players (HH, possibly one of Ramsden, Serong) and a decent value player (probably Scrimshaw, or possibly one of CJ, Morrison) in order to land both Merrett and Petracca without completely jeopardising our future draft hands. We will also need the Worpel comp (roughly pick 20) to get both done.

A Merrett deal would unfortunately rely on pick 8 and our F1 (roughly pick 16) as the backbone for the deal. This year’s draft is weak and highly compromised so pick 8 isn’t worth as much as it would normally be, and would be pushed back to roughly 11.

A Petracca deal would require a top 10-15 pick as the backbone that we could get through trading players and packaging picks together. E.g packaging 20 + what we get from trades for a top 10 pick. If our offer to Melbourne isn’t tempting enough they could deal Petracca somewhere else unlike the Merrett trade, where he explicitly wants Hawthorn.

Possible top 10 picks we could target for a Petracca trade:
Pick 7 from St Kilda (unless used for Flanders)
Pick 9 from Sydney
Pick 10 from the Dogs - Could be involved in a Scrimshaw trade.

Both Merrett and Petracca, despite their ages, are still elite midfielders that would revolutionise our team to the premiership favourite, and we won’t be able to land them with chump change. If our midfield core was Merrett, Petracca, Day and Newcombe we would obliterate every team in the comp, but some sacrifice will be necessary.

I think Zane Duursma is a key to unlock the Merrett deal. He wants out and to play with family he said it himself. He’s likely worth a late first now so our f1, duursma and f2 probably gets it done. Then pick 8 can go to dees for Petracca as they don’t have a first this year so more value to them. So if that works then how do we get duursma and we would also need to get another f2. Assuming Worpel gets band 2 hers a 6 club mega trade

Suns in: 20,26
Suns out: 13
North in: 13
North out: Duursma
Dees in: 8,10
Dees out: petracca,23,f2
Scum in: f1/2 hawks, duursma,hustwaite
Scum out: Merrett
Dogs in: Scrimshaw,23
Dogs out: 10,28
Hawks in: Merrett, Petracca, 28, f2 dees
Hawks out: 8, 20(worpel), 26, f1, f2, scrimshaw, hustwaite

Suns get extra points, north move on from a failed pick and get back into the first round and with 2 early seconds could easily trade up for suns pick 6, duursma gets to his brother, dees get about pick 8 for Petracca but also upgrade 2 seconds to a first to continue their rebuild, dogs get a gun defender and upgrade their second, we get our players and hold second round picks in this draft and next. Obviously a lot of largely pointless pick swaps would be added but I can’t be bothered.

Can I take over Cooneys role on trade radio or is there any semblance of sense to the proposal?