Carlton, Essendon, North - the triumvirate of mediocrity

[WalshistheGOAT]

17 from their last 25.

A better record than many teams have had for a long, long time.

But stop diverting, this thread isn't about Collingwood.

Carlton's list has gone backwards after a 9 win season despite having the easiest draw in the comp.

After more than 2 decades of building and rebuilding. That is relevant to the thread.

In your opinion it has

 

[Fadge]

In your opinion it has

There is no doubt about the fact that objectively, Carlton's list has gone backwards again heading into 2026.

Out:
Curnow
TDK
Silvagni
Docherty
Durdin
Fantasia
E. Hollands
Cincotta

In:
Ainsworth
Hayward
Florent
Chesser
Reidy

Only deluded bias stands in the way of someone not acknowledging that fact.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

There is no doubt about the fact that objectively, Carlton's list has gone backwards again heading into 2026.

Out:
Curnow
TDK
Silvagni
Docherty
Durdin
Fantasia
E. Hollands
Cincotta

In:
Ainsworth
Hayward
Florent
Chesser
Reidy

Only deluded bias stands in the way of someone not acknowledging that fact.

I see 3 major losses and 3 major ins. The rest aren't really needle movers.

And E.Hollands isn't definitively lost to us just yet.

 

[Fadge]

I see 3 major losses and 3 major ins. The rest aren't really needle movers.

And E.Hollands isn't definitively lost to us just yet.

So Ainsworth, Hayward and Florent replace Curnow, TDK and Silvagni?

Despite Carlton receiving 2 of those players, plus draft picks, in exchange for Curnow?

Oh boy.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

So Ainsworth, Hayward and Florent replace Curnow, TDK and Silvagni?

Despite Carlton receiving 2 of those players, plus draft picks, in exchange for Curnow?

Oh boy.

Who said that?

 

[north_lad]

Essendon and North fans: man we are shit hey lol
Carlton fans: WE ARE NOT SHIT SHUT UP ((((((

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Essendon and North fans: man we are shit hey lol
Carlton fans: WE ARE NOT SHIT SHUT UP ((((((

North are shit. Can barely hold on to the one prime time fixture you have because you've been getting pumped by 10+ goals for almost a decade straight in it.

 

[Fadge]

LOLOLOL.

It's all about prime time fixtures now and not actual results.

North have played in more Preliminary Finals and have 'won' fewer spoons than Carlton this century.

Carlton have finished 13th or lower 12 times this century, North 10 times.

Carlton's median ladder position finish this century is 11th, North's is 10th.

Both teams have won 5 finals this century.

Is there any objective on field performance based metric this century where Carlton are ahead of North Melbourne, because I can't seem to find one.

Case closed.

 

[Fadge]

Oh look, I've found one!

Bottom 4 finishes this century:

North 10
Carlton 9

 

[Fadge]

Who said that?

What are you saying then?

Who are the 3 major losses and the 3 major ins?

 

[sthmelb_dimmies]

think blues took a long time to recover from the draft penalties and get our house in order (currently top 4)

think dons took a long time to recover from drug penalties and get their house in order (currently top 4)

kangas is a lack of money. never really got penalised so just kind of an underresourced club getting by on handouts

Those (currently top 4) caveats have aged wonderfully

 

[north_lad]

North are shit. Can barely hold on to the one prime time fixture you have because you've been getting pumped by 10+ goals for almost a decade straight in it.

And yet Carlton get a slew of them every year despite also being dog shit too, riddle me that

 

[Bunk Moreland]

25 year timeframe, these three teams are the epitome of mediocre: "of moderate or low quality". Okay, maybe Carlton veer into "shit", but I think we can parse that as mediocre.

This century was nominated as the time period in this thread.

Club	P	W	L	D	Win %	Flags
Geelong	620	406	208	6	65%	4
Sydney	615	361	248	6	59%	2
Collingwood	612	349	257	6	57%	2
Hawthorn	606	335	267	4	55%	4
Port Adelaide	601	326	272	3	54%	1
Adelaide	596	314	280	2	53%	0
Brisbane	607	312	289	6	51%	5
Bulldogs	595	293	298	4	49%	1
Fremantle	588	283	302	3	48%	0
West Coast	599	287	308	4	48%	2
GWS	325	154	167	4	47%	0
Essendon	588	274	307	7	47%	1
St Kilda	590	272	310	8	46%	0
Richmond	589	269	311	9	46%	3
Melbourne	589	251	334	4	43%	1
North Melbourne	587	247	335	5	42%	0
Carlton	585	229	351	5	39%	0
Gold Coast	330	105	223	2	32%	0

There it is in black and white.

Essendon are tremendously mediocre. The very definition of it.

North and Carlton are nowhere near mediocrity. They're absolute trash. They sit above only an expansion club that is still recovering from the most incredibly mismanaged mess of a formation imaginable.

The bottom four are actually cut adrift by a fair margin - but at least Melbourne won the ultimate - a flag. And Gold Coast are obviously an exception. North and Carlton are simply a disaster.

 

[north_lad]

This century was nominated as the time period in this thread.

Club	Played	W	L	D	Win %	Premierships
Geelong	620	406	208	6	65%	4
Sydney	615	361	248	6	59%	2
Collingwood	612	349	257	6	57%	2
Hawthorn	606	335	267	4	55%	4
Port Adelaide	601	326	272	3	54%	1
Adelaide	596	314	280	2	53%	0
Brisbane	607	312	289	6	51%	5
Bulldogs	595	293	298	4	49%	1
Fremantle	588	283	302	3	48%	0
West Coast	599	287	308	4	48%	2
GWS	325	154	167	4	47%	0
Essendon	588	274	307	7	47%	1
St Kilda	590	272	310	8	46%	0
Richmond	589	269	311	9	46%	3
Melbourne	589	251	334	4	43%	1
North Melbourne	587	247	335	5	42%	0
Carlton	585	229	351	5	39%	0
Gold Coast	330	105	223	2	32%	0

There it is in black and white.

Essendon are tremendously mediocre. The very definition of it.

North and Carlton are nowhere near mediocrity. They're absolute trash. They sit above only an expansion club that is still recovering from the most incredibly mismanaged mess of a formation imaginable.

The bottom four are actually cut adrift by a fair margin - but at least Melbourne won the ultimate - a flag. And Gold Coast are obviously an exception. North and Carlton are simply a disaster.

thanks bunk gonna kms now

be pretty easy to solve that murder

 

[Robertio]

Oh look, I've found one!

Bottom 4 finishes this century:

North 10
Carlton 9

You keep saying this century how about we keep it current say the last 4 years. Who has been better?

 

[sthmelb_dimmies]

This century was nominated as the time period in this thread.

Club	Played	W	L	D	Win %	Premierships
Geelong	620	406	208	6	65%	4
Sydney	615	361	248	6	59%	2
Collingwood	612	349	257	6	57%	2
Hawthorn	606	335	267	4	55%	4
Port Adelaide	601	326	272	3	54%	1
Adelaide	596	314	280	2	53%	0
Brisbane	607	312	289	6	51%	5
Bulldogs	595	293	298	4	49%	1
Fremantle	588	283	302	3	48%	0
West Coast	599	287	308	4	48%	2
GWS	325	154	167	4	47%	0
Essendon	588	274	307	7	47%	1
St Kilda	590	272	310	8	46%	0
Richmond	589	269	311	9	46%	3
Melbourne	589	251	334	4	43%	1
North Melbourne	587	247	335	5	42%	0
Carlton	585	229	351	5	39%	0
Gold Coast	330	105	223	2	32%	0

There it is in black and white.

Essendon are tremendously mediocre. The very definition of it.

North and Carlton are nowhere near mediocrity. They're absolute trash. They sit above only an expansion club that is still recovering from the most incredibly mismanaged mess of a formation imaginable.

The bottom four are actually cut adrift by a fair margin - but at least Melbourne won the ultimate - a flag. And Gold Coast are obviously an exception. North and Carlton are simply a disaster.

Solid debunk bunk

 

[Fadge]

You keep saying this century how about we keep it current say the last 4 years. Who has been better?

The OP has spoken, it's this century.

But congratulations on having performed better than a team that has averaged 3 wins a year over the last 4 years, at a time when your own team has had the best 4 year period we've seen from Carlton this century.

 

[Robertio]

The OP has spoken, it's this century.

But congratulations on having performed better than a team that has averaged 3 wins a year over the last 4 years, at a time when your own team has had the best 4 year period we've seen from Carlton this century.

Yep and finished above Collingwood last year as well, we've strengthened our list have heaps of 1st round picks and one of the best players in each of the next two drafts and add Jagger Smith as well, you'd want to be on Carlton in 26 and beyond.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

What are you saying then?

Who are the 3 major losses and the 3 major ins?

I'm sure you'll figure it out one day

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

And yet Carlton get a slew of them every year despite also being dog shit too, riddle me that

Whats our recent record on Good Friday vs ur insipid Roos?

 

[Fadge]

Yep and finished above Collingwood last year as well, we've strengthened our list have heaps of 1st round picks and one of the best players in each of the next two drafts and add Jagger Smith as well, you'd want to be on Carlton in 26 and beyond.

This is very funny.

Do you do stand up comedy?

 

[Fadge]

I'm sure you'll figure it out one day

The big question is, will you?

 

[Fadge]

Whats our recent record on Good Friday vs ur insipid Roos?

I expect Carlton would have a winning record against North this century?

Let me check....

Oh no..

North 19 wins
Carlton 13 wins

Oh boy.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

I expect Carlton would have a winning record against North this century?

Let me check....

Oh no..

North 19 wins
Carlton 13 wins

Oh boy.

"But but....Good Friday..."

 

[Worm4]

Oh look, the blowflies have another thread to discuss all things Carlton.
What a sad existence you all lead