Mac Point Stadium! - "Tas Says Yes!"

[madmug]

So what happens to Bellreive now?

Bulldozed and turned into housing?

No. It has 130 year history of local footy & cricket. I recon CricketTas will use it for Sheffield Shield & women's state cricket.

 

[The_Wookie]

No. It has 130 year history of local footy & cricket. I recon CricketTas will use it for Sheffield Shield & women's state cricket.

CT intending to build their own state of the art training facility, i reckon those low drawing crowd matches will end up there. BBL/WBBL/Tests/ODI/IT20 and hell maybe even some shield matches like finals to mac point. CV still use the MCG on occasion.

Will still remain a sports ground, but local sport only i suspect - its home to Clarence after all (and owned by the local Council, although its supposed to come in under Stadiums Tasmania along with UTAS Stadium, Mystatebank arena, the silverdome, and they hope, Dial Park).

 

[madmug]

A shout out to Andrew Dillion in all this.

His insistence that the Stadium be built for a team to happen despite all the opposition has played a large part in coming to this outcome.

Its part of the business case which gives the Devils the best chance for financial security. The AFL have been burnt enough by some other clubs already, so wanted some certainty before the club starts its journey.

 

[madmug]

CT intending to build their own state of the art training facility, i reckon those low drawing crowd matches will end up there. BBL/WBBL/Tests/ODI/IT20 and hell maybe even some shield matches like finals to mac point. CV still use the MCG on occasion.

Yep, the plan is for a new training facility near the airport. Bellerive is still an historic sports & recreation area, so I can't see the NIMBY community or council just pulling it down for housing. Demolition alone would cost a small fortune so wouldn't be a very sensible economic move.

 

[Truetiger]

Webb spoke for 3 hours and they went until 2:30 heck me.

Cassy Oconnor and the anti morons are a stain on this state .

I see they all want to keep fighting

3 hours lol Why bother.

 

[Jazny]

Webb spoke for 3 hours and they went until 2:30 heck me.

Cassy Oconnor and the anti morons are a stain on this state .

I see they all want to keep fighting

If it was an anti-colonialism centre with the same cost and dimensions as the stadium that also required bulldozing the cenotaph they would support it.

So interesting how prominent anti Richard Flanagan who called ANZAC day a "dangerous myth" and opposes spending on war memorials which he refers to as the "cult of ANZAC" now cares about sight lines at a cenotaph.

The Greens are the same party who refused to condemn those who graffitid a war memorial and called it free speech too. How anyone takes these people seriously...

Bandt fails to condemn Greens senator's remarks about vandalised War Memorial

Australian Greens leader Adam Bandt has failed to rebuke Senator Jordon Steele-John for comments he made linking the vandalism of the Australian War Memorial at the weekend to free speech.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Tandy]

Can’t believe she spoke until the early hours of the morning. A good old fashion Filibuster! She should be embarrassed. Hope she’s not re-elected

 

[kalex6251]

So interesting how prominent anti Richard Flanagan who called ANZAC day a "dangerous myth" and opposes spending on war memorials which he refers to as the "cult of ANZAC" now cares about sight lines at a cenotaph.

his cenotaph 'concerns' aside - flanagan does make a good point on how the anzac tradition/myth has been weaponised as some sort of bizarre purity test on australian values ..... a very good point in fact

i digress

 

[Jazny]

his cenotaph 'concerns' aside - flanagan does make a good point on how the anzac tradition/myth has been weaponised as some sort of bizarre purity test on australian values ..... a very good point in fact

i digress

You're allowed to have those opinions, just don't expect people to also think you are genuine when talking about protecting the sanctity of a cenotaph.

This is what smart propagandists do. Just throw every accusation no matter how flimsy or how much they actually believe them against whatever it is they don't like and hope enough of the accusations land to shape public perception.

 

[kalex6251]

You're allowed to have those opinions, just don't expect people to also think you are genuine when talking about protecting the sanctity of a cenotaph.

This is what smart propagandists do. Just throw every accusation no matter how flimsy or how much they actually believe them against whatever it is they don't like and hope enough of the accusations land to shape public perception.

agreeing with you - his 'cenotaph' concerns make no sense in the wider context of what hes said, written and spoken about the weaponisation of the anzac myth ... in this instance it appears hes nefariously used it to advance another agenda which is hypocritical to put it mildly

simply saying when that hypocrisy is set aside - hes makes a good point about how that mythology has been used for nefarious reasons

 

[boncer34]

There's no way it will be possible for the state to cap its contribution at the level she's insisting given what the stadium cost will blow out to. So unless they are planning on finding 3rd party funding im not sure what the point of her clause there is.

How much will they end up spending?

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Yep, the plan is for a new training facility near the airport. Bellerive is still an historic sports & recreation area, so I can't see the NIMBY community or council just pulling it down for housing. Demolition alone would cost a small fortune so wouldn't be a very sensible economic move.

It’s not really that historic to be honest first class and international cricket was still being played at the TCA ground, till the mid eighties it’s only really been since then that cricket has a history at Bellerive , Clarence cricket club has already moved out and play and train at kangaroo bay it’s only really the Clarence football club that has a strong connection to the place and would be put out if it closed

 

[Hodgey 15]

Tricky stadium project may need another vote if costs blow out

A stadium on Hobart's waterfront has gained enough support to pass parliament, after key independents declared on Wednesday they would support the contentious project.

www.abc.net.au

 

[TradeDraft]

When is Vote?

 

[TradeDraft]

Tricky stadium project may need another vote if costs blow out

A stadium on Hobart's waterfront has gained enough support to pass parliament, after key independents declared on Wednesday they would support the contentious project.

www.abc.net.au

ABC are Embrassing themselves

 

[Stumpy Pete]

First up - great news. I’ll be switching my support to the devils next year and following them in the VFL (from the ACT).

On the comparison to Wesley Vale - this is nothing like that. The gap between the level of support for the stadium and the opposition to it is quite big now - and growing.

In terms of the funding cap - it’s a smart move and a great reading of the political winds by Bec Thomas. While the federal ALP have a big majority in the lower house they will be going for a third term and may well be doing so without Albo in charge. Add to that the budget is starting to turn against them. They will want to secure some seats against an inevitable decrease in their majority - lest it turn into a momentum that results in a change of government (or possibly hung Parliament). Being seen to come to the rescue of the stadium because a state liberal government has tied itself to a capped contribution will secure 4 seats in Tasmania and give the local ALP a great news story come the next state election.

The stadium will be built and will be named “ The Devil’s Den” or simply “ The Den”.

Regards

S. Pete

 

[Truetiger]

One thing I am looking fwd to is proper memberships going on sale next year

 

[Hodgey 15]

Not that it would if been an issue but Roland Browne has essentially ruled out any legal challenges.

"We will be bringing to the public's attention every issue to do with the increasing cost.

"This is a political process now and a public process we don't see there's avenues for court processes, but we see lots of other avenues for community involvement."

 

[T2B_]

Not that it would if been an issue but Roland Browne has essentially ruled out any legal challenges.

"We will be bringing to the public's attention every issue to do with the increasing cost.

"This is a political process now and a public process we don't see there's avenues for court processes, but we see lots of other avenues for community involvement."

Ha cop that "high court pls!" NIMBYs.

 

[T2B_]

Sounds like Cassy O'Connor has been making quite a nuisance of herself in the debate

 

[TradeDraft]

Sounds like Cassy O'Connor has been making quite a nuisance of herself in the debate

and by doing that making a Fool of Himself

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Sounds like Cassy O'Connor has been making quite a nuisance of herself in the debate

Link?

 

[T2B_]

Link?

Live: Hobart stadium debate hears pedestrian upgrades no longer happening

The Hobart stadium order is being scrutinised in Tasmania's upper house ahead of a vote that is expected to approve the $1.13 billion project. Follow the debate live.

www.abc.net.au

Things are getting a bit silly in the Legislative Council as the debate shows no sign of stopping.


Greens MLC Cassy O'Connor: "I note the presence in the chamber of a large blow fly, probably brought in here by the smell of this order."

Independent Bec Thomas is back and asking questions — and is not happy with some comments made by Greens MLC Cassy O'Connor.
Ms Thomas' decision to support the stadium yesterday was crucial for the government.
She was absent from the chamber for a period — along with several other members — prompting some pointed remarks by Ms O'Connor about whether they were providing enough scrutiny.
Ms Thomas was unhappy with these comments.

"I refute and am somewhat offended by the assertions made by the member for Hobart earlier, and imputations made about me and other honourable members in taking a break from the chamber," she said.
"I thoroughly scrutinised the order and asked questions at the draft stage, and achieved some changes to the final order based on the questions I asked and feedback I provided."

Is there any chance the vote won’t happen tonight? Cassy O’Connor seems hellbent on delaying this vote.

 

[TradeDraft]

Is there any chance the vote won’t happen tonight? Cassy O’Connor seems hellbent on delaying this vote.

Cassy is make a a Fool Herself

Though she is with the Greens who are pretty much always a Pain up the Ass

 

[The King!]

Someone punch Cassie Oconnor in the face