No Oppo Supporters Non Bulldog Footy Talk - Bulldogs Only - Part 6

[TiAn_]

It is literally purchased by the unequitable amounts (compared to the victim) that they can spend on legal counsel to navigate the law.

It’s not a perpetrator v victim argument though. It’s perpetrator v media outlets.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

It’s not a perpetrator v victim argument though. It’s perpetrator v media outlets.

It's an argument that conveniently sidesteps fact that Tom Silvagni was prosecuted by the OoPP on behalf of the state.

Theres a reason that people of means have a better chance of acquittal than some meth head from Melton. It's staggering to me that people seem to think that outcomes of legal proceedings aren't stacked in favour of those that can pay for a SC.

Or that somebody who can charge $1000 an hour would use every legal mechanism at his or her disposal including suppression orders in defence of their client.

 

[BomToydd]

If you think Im supportive of the perpetrator of the crime and not the victim then you are a ****ing moron.

Mature response. You were telling people to empathise with the Silvagnis and making them sound like the victims

You don't understand how the legal system works do you? He's been found guilty of rape. Remanded into custody and like all prisoners has the right of appeal. As it stands he is a rapist.

The probably with speaking in such absolutes is that until a few days ago Greg Lynn was a convicted murder.

It shows a family that is willing to risk it all on the word of their son. Now they may be blinded by that word but it doesn't make them disgusting. What's disgusting is keyboard warriors piling on to them like they were directly involved in the rape.

'As it stands?' The problem with casting doubt on the verdict and telling people to empathise with his family who have shown no sympathy to the victim is it makes you look just as disgusting as them. He can appeal but 12 people have deliberated and came to the same conclusion.

This from the main thread would have been the best thing for the Silvagnis to do

There is a time to admit your kid is a shit, and work to help him come to terms with the fact that he is a criminal and now has the opportunity to reflect on what he did while doing the time, encouraging him to own it and apologise and work hard to live the rest of his life as a better person.. But are they doing that? No they are still enabling their little POS.

 

[BomToydd]

What's disgusting is keyboard warriors piling on to them like they were directly involved in the rape.

They didn't have to make a public comment. Continuing to protest his innocence is as good as calling the victim a liar

 

[BomToydd]

Suggesting that I'm disgusting because I have a degree of sympathy for the position that the Silvagni family have found themselves in not very mature of you. Mr throw stones in glass houses.

Says the guy calling people disgusting keyboard warriors because they have no sympathy for a family that has shown no sympathy to the victim

They made that statement under extreme duress to stop a baying media pack from hounding their every movement.

Baying media pack? Lol the media is taking their side giving them a platform over the victim
If they don't like being attacked for protecting a rapist maybe they could like not protect a rapist?
I wonder why Tom has trouble dealing with the consequences of his actions

Regardless defending them for basically saying 'we believe our son over the victim and the findings of the court' is a weird hill to die on but okay

 

[Doggy]

Sam Flanders:

"
All the other clubs had pros and cons, but at the end of the day from the first meeting it just felt right with how welcome they made me feel. That was a big part of my decision. When you sign a long-term deal, it basically becomes your family. I think it was important that it felt like that from the start."

"the connection with Ross Lyon was instant"

"There is a reason everyone wants to come here. I felt like that from the start with the environment."

Lol ... the stupid salary overpayment more like it

 

[grassman75]

Jamarra for pick 900. What a club. Gifting away superstars for fun.

Interesting how the only dog or former dog to like the insta post was gowers

It’s amazing how quickly he got better up here in the sun and since his pay was cut to a quarter.

Will be interesting to see which way this goes

 

[lachy]

Interesting how the only dog or former dog to like the insta post was gowers

It’s amazing how quickly he got better up here in the sun and since his pay was cut to a quarter.

Will be interesting to see which way this goes

A lot of similarities between JUH and that bloke who went to the cats in regards to the relationship will the vast majority of players.

When you get to a certain age with differing life experiences you can seperate being a passionate supporter with just being a compasionate person.

For both the Cats and Gold Coast players I do not wish them anything bad in their lives. So no I am definately not hoping anything bad happens to them

In saying that I also wish them no success ever. Time will tell how that goes but Jake Stringer certainly showed that a leopard never changes their spots so we will see with Smith and JUH.

The only question the club should have reviewed and corrected, which will still be near impossible to be perfect, but why did we draft and invest is players that are poiseness to player harmony a key ingrediant that leads to long term success? All were clearly tainted yet we picked them up with good draft picks.

Personally I beleive Smith and JUH will ask Stringer to hold their beers to show him how to really stuff up potential careers. I will not take pleasure from that at all, just how I see it going

 

[weltschmerz]

A lot of similarities between JUH and that bloke who went to the cats in regards to the relationship will the vast majority of players.

When you get to a certain age with differing life experiences you can seperate being a passionate supporter with just being a compasionate person.

For both the Cats and Gold Coast players I do not wish them anything bad in their lives. So no I am definately not hoping anything bad happens to them

In saying that I also wish them no success ever. Time will tell how that goes but Jake Stringer certainly showed that a leopard never changes their spots so we will see with Smith and JUH.

The only question the club should have reviewed and corrected, which will still be near impossible to be perfect, but why did we draft and invest is players that are poiseness to player harmony a key ingrediant that leads to long term success? All were clearly tainted yet we picked them up with good draft picks.

Personally I beleive Smith and JUH will ask Stringer to hold their beers to show him how to really stuff up potential careers. I will not take pleasure from that at all, just how I see it going

Didn’t we draft Smith as a teetotal church-goer whose main issue was that he went too hard on calorie counting? People change a lot with fame, money, and going from 17 to mid-20s.

 

[Pugz89]

No it isn't.

It's a ****ing disgrace. But it is a mirror held up to society and a reflection of how far down the shitter social media has driven us.



Wrong.

Now I dont know if you have children, but put yourself in the shoes of the Silvangis who faced the shattering and life changing situation of their son being tried for the egregious crime of rape. Something that he was and continues protesting his innocence of. If I was faced with such a horror I would back my son with all the wealth that I have and give him the best opportunity and defence that I could possibly afford.

I would deal with the consequences of the juries verdict after the event.

As the Silvagnis currently are.

Blind faith and support can be sooo detrimental. If one of my kids did that, I'd let the judicial system play out as intended, and I sure as shit wouldn't be trying to hide them from scrutiny, particularly after a jury has found them guilty. Beyond reasonable doubt is a very big burden of proof to prove, and rarely does someone get wrongfully convicted these days.

I can only imagine how the victim would feel seeing Sos speak such words (i will continue to support him and get him home, look at appeal etc) publicly, its the attitude of we will pay our way out of it that may have contributed to Tom getting to this point. Accountability isnt a bad thing.

 

[TiAn_]

Blind faith and support can be sooo detrimental. If one of my kids did that, I'd let the judicial system play out as intended,

They are, he can appeal the decision.

and I sure as shit wouldn't be trying to hide them from scrutiny, particularly after a jury has found them guilty.

You wouldn’t try and protect your child from what you believe to be harm if you were able to? I struggle to believe this.

Beyond reasonable doubt is a very big burden of proof to prove, and rarely does someone get wrongfully convicted these days.

Sure, but there’s also a right of appeal so understandably in their view it isn’t final.

I can only imagine how the victim would feel seeing Sos speak such words (i will continue to support him and get him home, look at appeal etc) publicly,

As above, it’s exactly what you’d expect to hear from parents that believe their son is innocent. They’re supporting their son. I don’t think his story is credible and believe what I’ve read of the victim’s account, but I understand why they would be swayed toward their own child.

its the attitude of we will pay our way out of it that may have contributed to Tom getting to this point. Accountability isnt a bad thing.

Maybe. But plenty of shitty people that have done bad things didn’t come from means.

 

[lachy]

Didn’t we draft Smith as a teetotal church-goer whose main issue was that he went too hard on calorie counting? People change a lot with fame, money, and going from 17 to mid-20s.

Yes the same bloke who's manager literally told all interstate teams not to draft. Draft tampering. Church going non drinking is not a form of good character in its own right

 

[Dogs Rule]

Jamarra seems to be training well at the Suns

Training the house down even.

Of course, it's last chance saloon. Struggle to see how he gets regular games next year.

 

[TiAn_]

Training the house down even.

Of course, it's last chance saloon. Struggle to see how he gets regular games next year.

He’s much better than Walters. Could see him playing alongside King and Read, like he did with Darcy and Naughts.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Perhaps the AFL should look into the Saints deal for Jack Silvagni and audit his accounts to see if anything is going back to mummy & daddy…

Setting the last few days aside, being traded to a club where daddy is in charge of the list on an huge deal and daddy saying he had nothing to do with it. The AFL really buying that? Come on...

 

[Dogs Rule]

He’s much better than Walters. Could see him playing alongside King and Read, like he did with Darcy and Naughts.

Could doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Plenty he could do. Plenty he could have done with us as well. Massive difference between could do and do.

 

[JohnnySteel]

Ultimately, having a fit & committed Marra would make us better in 2026, he is a goal kicking match winner however he would’ve also taken a lot of ball from Darcy & hasn’t spent time in ruck (or wing) like Croft can so is less versatile.

So our mix is probably better served with Croft instead of Marra as the third tall anyway.

 

[TiAn_]

Could doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Plenty he could do. Plenty he could have done with us as well. Massive difference between could do and do.

He was our leading goal kicker. What more can a forward do? He’s miles better than Walters.

If he’s doing a proper pre-season as reported then he’ll be their second best key forward.

 

[King Harold]

Wasn’t going to buy into the Silvagni saga , but here I am
As a parent I understand them supporting their son.
They will be stressed to the extreme and their actions and words ,right or wrong , will reflect that level of stress.

I am a grandfather to four granddaughters, so please don’t accuse me of supporting a rapist.
Because I absolutely don’t.
What I find interesting is the odd poster on here absolutely scathing of the parents of a convicted rapist supporting their son yet I seem to remember them blowing off the fact that a certain leader of the free world also convicted of sex crimes, not such a big deal !

If I’m wrong I apologise.

 

[Pugz89]

Wasn’t going to buy into the Silvagni saga , but here I am
As a parent I understand them supporting their son.
They will be stressed to the extreme and their actions and words ,right or wrong , will reflect that level of stress.

I am a grandfather to four granddaughters, so please don’t accuse me of supporting a rapist.
Because I absolutely don’t.
What I find interesting is the odd poster on here absolutely scathing of the parents of a convicted rapist supporting their son yet I seem to remember them blowing off the fact that a certain leader of the free world also convicted of sex crimes, not such a big deal !

If I’m wrong I apologise.

If the above is in response to me, then I have said many times, both on here and offline that Trump's sex crimes are horrendous. I have said many times he is far from perfect, and that what I support is some of his policies, not him as a person.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Says the guy calling people disgusting keyboard warriors because they have no sympathy for a family that has shown no sympathy to the victim

I called the pile on disgusting. However, if you believe I was referring to you directly. Then thats ok.

I can live with that as well.

Baying media pack? Lol the media is taking their side giving them a platform over the victim

You have a fundamn etle misunderstanding of how the media works if you believe that they're taking the Silvagnis side by broadcasting today's statement. Such as it was. It's literally their job. Theres not a reporter in this town who would take the same moralistically strident view of events that you have.

As far as Im aware, the victim hasn't directly commented on the case at all other than her harrowing victim impact statement in the court and a couple of TikTok posts that tangentially mention the relief that she feels. Should she decide to go public with here story there will be no shortage of outlets willing to air it. Given its in their sweet spot at the crossroads of football and crime.

If they don't like being attacked for protecting a rapist maybe they could like not protect a rapist?

Why would they do that. To sate the publics appetite for their heads to be publicly mounted on pikes?

I wonder why Tom has trouble dealing with the consequences of his actions

Being a convicted rapist would be very difficult to get your head around.

Regardless defending them for basically saying 'we believe our son over the victim and the findings of the court' is a weird hill to die on but okay

Other than professing their disappointment in the verdict. And a vague willingness to continue to work towards clearing their sons name. I cant see anything in their brief statement that is anything like what you've put into quotation marks like it gives your interpretation of things they didn't say legitimacy.

Did they question the legitimacy of the verdict? Nope. Did they call the victim a liar? Nope. Did they mention her at all? Nope.

The monsters.

Blind faith and support can be sooo detrimental. If one of my kids did that, I'd let the judicial system play out as intended, and I sure as shit wouldn't be trying to hide them from scrutiny, particularly after a jury has found them guilty. Beyond reasonable doubt is a very big burden of proof to prove, and rarely does someone get wrongfully convicted these days.

Their ongoing support of their son may indeed be blind and irrational to somebody outside of the family. But it makes perfect sense to them and everything else would be outside noise.

Every citizen of this country has the right to as you put it "let the judicial system play out" and thats exactly what they are doing. Those rights do not expire the moment that a jury has handed down its verdict.

Im just going laugh at the naiveté of your faith in a judicial system and it reliance on the burden of proof. When we've seen recen high profile prosecutorial failures that saw one certain drug dealer get his conviction quashed and him being award $1million by the state. And most recently the probable murder having his conviction set aside. Both of those cases were heard before a jury of their peers and reached the border of proof that brought convictions.

I can only imagine how the victim would feel seeing Sos speak such words (i will continue to support him and get him home, look at appeal etc) publicly, its the attitude of we will pay our way out of it that may have contributed to Tom getting to this point. Accountability isnt a bad thing.

You're reading way too much into the Silvangnis post verdict support of their son and just making strawman arguments now.

Anyways...Why would she care what SoS has to say? She's just had a very public affirmation that he claim that she was r*ped was true and justified. And that the perpetrator of that heinous act is going to go to prison for a long time.

And looking at her TikTok immediately post the verdict. This level of accountability is what she needed to begin the long healing process that she's going to have to undertake.

 

[BomToydd]

Being a convicted rapist would be very difficult to get your head around.

F*cking weird how you keep sympathising with the perpertrator and his family over the victim

Other than professing their disappointment in the verdict. And a vague willingness to continue to work towards clearing their sons name. I cant see anything in their brief statement that is anything like what you've put into quotation marks like it gives your interpretation of things they didn't say legitimacy.

Did they question the legitimacy of the verdict? Nope. Did they call the victim a liar? Nope. Did they mention her at all? Nope.

Lmao who's being obtuse again? You can't say your believe your son is innocent without gaslighting the victim

Im just going laugh at the naiveté of your faith in a judicial system and it reliance on the burden of proof.

Weird sense of humour. But I'm just going to laugh at the naiveté of thinking there's any possibility the disgusting POS is innocent. And I think most people who believe victims don't have a lot faith in them actually getting justice

You're reading way too much into the Silvangnis post verdict support of their son and just making strawman arguments now.

Dude you're the one here attacking anyone who doesn't have sympathy for the poor Silvagnis

 

[BomToydd]

As a parent I understand them supporting their son.
They will be stressed to the extreme and their actions and words ,right or wrong , will reflect that level of stress.

Weird that a lot of parents here don't get that you can support your son without taking his side when he's guilty of rape
And there's a lot of sympathy for the Silvagnis here but as a parent how would you feel about them if your daughter was the victim?

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

The reality is you use whatever resources you have for your kids. I’ll never judge anyone for doing that.

I’ve seen some pretty ridiculous criticism of SOS and Jo this last few days. Love is blind, two parents would be pulling every type of mental gymnastics to try and believe their son is innocent. Tom is a piece of shit who will spend plenty of years in jail, but the attacks on his parents are rubbish.

I’ve seen some people basically clam that they should disown their own son. Clearly those people have never loved someone who has made a mistake.

As much as it would be a truely horrible situation for the female involved (and I don’t want to take away from that at all) having your son convicted as a rapist is nightmare fuel. Definitely feel sorry for them.

Just want to reiterate, I feel incredibly sad for the female involved and have not a fibre of sympathy for Tom.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Weird that a lot of parents here don't get that you can support your son without taking his side when he's guilty of rape
And there's a lot of sympathy for the Silvagnis here but as a parent how would you feel about them if your daughter was the victim?

Why are you making it sound like you can only have sympathy for one side? I don’t think anyone has taken anything away from how horrible this situation is for the girl.

How could you not have sympathy for someone who has just had their kid convicted of rape? No one intends to raise a rapist.