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[schneebly111]

He could have called on the Muslim community, which is supposed to be moderate, to denounce and reject the extremist elements among them, starting with imams like Haddad and Dadoun. They could demonstrate that they are in solidarity with Australians against inflammatory rhetoric aimed at demonising another group.

But he was and still is too worried about losing votes.

Muslim community leaders have condemned extremism constantly, without fail since I can remember. Every time a person with a Muslim name commits an act of violence they immediately condemns it even though it may have had nothing to do with religion as they know they’ll be attacked in the media for not doing so.

We don’t see this with any other group. That’s called “privilege”

 

[Episode IV]

I eagerly await more of his high quality contributions to the discussion.

Contributing high quality posts to this "discussion" would make anyone stand out, faible.

 

[Saint]

They’ve got the hostages back, haven’t they? Maybe if they’d been given back earlier…

They did during an earlier ceasefire, then Israel broke the ceasefire and went on a regional rampage.

And the anti-semitism envoy said criticism of their violence was anti-semitic.

I refuse to believe that opposing genocide and war is anti-semitic. That would imply all Jews are pro-genocide. Which is as stupid as saying all Muslims are pro-terrorism.

 

[schneebly111]

He also called for the banning of pro-Palestine protests, branding the largely peaceful demonstrations “as incubators of hate”.

So the penny drops. Thanks Josh for revealing what the true intentions are. It was never about stopping actual antisemitism, it was about silencing criticism of Israel and daddy Netanyahu

Despicable

 

[faible]

They’ve got the hostages back, haven’t they? Maybe if they’d been given back earlier…

They're still bombing civilians and blocking aid causing mass starvation. Pretty sure bombing every hospital, school and kindergarten wasn't necessary So no, i don't think it's about the hostages.

Let's be clear here; you're supporting a mass slaughter of civilians.

 

[spike101]

Have you read the report? I have, there is nothing in it that would've prevented this from occurring or from reoccurring.

You expect the government to be able to control everything and everyone...

I think Josh Frydenberg would know more about it than you, I suggest you read his message to the pm; he is vastly under impressed with Albanese’s weakness.

 

[schneebly111]

I've seen a lot of posts that seem to suggest the 'more' they want done is for Albanese to come out and personally attack the Muslim community.

What they want is for the Australian government to respond like the Israeli government did. Which won’t happen as we aren’t genocidal maniacs

 

[spike101]

They're still bombing civilians and blocking aid causing mass starvation. Pretty sure bombing every hospital, school and kindergarten wasn't necessary So no, i don't think it's about the hostages.

Let's be clear here; you're supporting a mass slaughter of civilians.

I presume you haven’t seen the photographs released by Amnesty of baby formula hoarded to give the wrong impression?

 

[damicky]

I think Josh Frydenberg would know more about it than you, I suggest you read his message to the pm; he is vastly under impressed with Albanese’s weakness.

 

[faible]

I presume you haven’t seen the photographs released by Amnesty of baby formula hoarded to give the wrong impression?

Israel have limited or completely blocked aid for multiple years, and their leadership has open arrest warrants for war crimes and crimes against humanity including 'using starvation as a method of warfare'.

Bit more than 'hoarding baby formula to give the wrong impression'.

Oh, also, speaking of Amnesty International:

Israel’s genocide against Palestinians in Gaza continues unabated despite ceasefire

More than a month after a ceasefire was announced and all living Israeli hostages were released, Israeli authorities are still committing genocide against Palestinians in the occupied Gaza Strip, by continuing to deliberately inflict conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical...

www.amnesty.org

It's a genocide.

So yeah, anyone supporting what Israel has, and continues to do, is knowingly supporting the mass slaughter of civilians.

 

[schneebly111]

I presume you haven’t seen the photographs released by Amnesty of baby formula hoarded to give the wrong impression?

Since we’re quoting Amnesty:

Amnesty International concludes Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza

Amnesty International’s research has found sufficient basis to conclude that Israel has committed and is continuing to commit genocide against Palestinians in the occupied Gaza Strip.

www.amnesty.org

 

[blue boy]

Has the response by Israel been appropriate?

Absolutely. Hamas holding civilian hostages in tunnels.

They did during an earlier ceasefire, then Israel broke the ceasefire and went on a regional rampage.

And the anti-semitism envoy said criticism of their violence was anti-semitic.

I refuse to believe that opposing genocide and war is anti-semitic. That would imply all Jews are pro-genocide. Which is as stupid as saying all Muslims are pro-terrorism.

Huh? They gave back a few, after israel gave back literal terrorists in many multiples. They then proceeded to murder the bibas kids and parade them in coffins with music. They then proceeded to shoot another 6 dead in tunnels.

There hasnt been a more just war. Ever.

 

[spike101]

frydenberg earlier ..... julian leeser just now abc melb

you are entitled to your anger, grief and sorrow .... but dont dare lecture us on taking responsibility when your govt ran like cowards (when in office and on the royal commission stand) when questions of robodebt were repeatedly asked and ignored

rank political opportunism at its worst

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-pursuing-more-taxpayers-for-decades-old-debt Why has Labor not stopped this?

 

[schneebly111]

There hasnt been a more just war. Ever.

Ever

Ex-Israeli general hits out at government for 'killing babies as a pastime' in Gaza

Around 14,000 babies face severe malnutrition if a lot more aid trucks don’t reach the Palestinian enclave soon, a U.N. aid group said.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Settle down, children. Bans will start getting longer if yous don't behave.

 

[spike101]

Since we’re quoting Amnesty:

Amnesty International concludes Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza

Amnesty International’s research has found sufficient basis to conclude that Israel has committed and is continuing to commit genocide against Palestinians in the occupied Gaza Strip.

www.amnesty.org

Have you seen photographs of the hoarded baby formula; it is no wonder there is starvation and that is partly self inflicted. Why would Hamas do that?

 

[Crow54]

KILLER LINKED TO ‘FACTORY OF HATE’

KILLER LINKED TO ‘FACTORY OF HATE’

todayspaper.theaustralian.com.au

There’s video online of him handing out leaflets to passerby outside the mosque.

THE LONG AND VIOLENT ROAD TO TERROR ATTACK

THE LONG AND VIOLENT ROAD TO TERROR ATTACK

todayspaper.theaustralian.com.au

Thank you.

The second link in particular is good reading.

Quote: "... the truth is it is not Australia’s actions that enrage the Islamists, but its character.

Secular liberalism is a standing affront to the fanatics of al-Qa’ida, Islamic State or any of the other offshoots of radical Salafist ideology.

We should remember this as we rush to pin the blame on the government’s foreign policy positions on Gaza, Palestinian recognition or any other issue.

Whatever we think about these decisions, it is the rightful duty of our elected officials to make foreign policy without fear of retribution from a violent few.

To say otherwise is to outsource the business of state to the fanatical and the murderous.

Besides it wouldn’t help anyway, not in the long run.

You could sweep away every provocative foreign policy decision tomorrow and the Islamists would still come for us. The problem is who we are."

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

They're still bombing civilians and blocking aid causing mass starvation. Pretty sure bombing every hospital, school and kindergarten wasn't necessary So no, i don't think it's about the hostages.

Let's be clear here; you're supporting a mass slaughter of civilians.

Entirely unprovoked! You’re really sure about that?

 

[Sphynx]

What do you propose is done then?

Banning criticism of genocide because it supposedly offends Jews. (the very premise of which should be offensive to Jews).

That is not what the report handed to the Federal Government recommended.

It recommended "violent or intimidating protest activity" be considered hate speech and a hate crime.

And it wasn't their definition, it was International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s (IHRA) definition of anti-semitism.


No doubt there will be a Royal Commission, I'm sure the ALP will get absolutely chewed out during it for the fact that they were handed the report 7 months ago and the only recommendations they have acted on were banning Nazi Flags and symbols.

 

[faible]

Have you seen photographs of the hoarded baby formula; it is no wonder there is starvation and that is partly self inflicted. Why would Hamas do that?

It's a genocide.

Hamas being a horrible organisation doesn't give Israel permission to commit genocide against Palestinian civilains.

 

[faible]

Entirely unprovoked! You’re really sure about that?

Oh, sorry, did I say that there was no preceding events whatsoever?

October 7th happened.

The multi-decade occupation happened.

The Nakba happened.

It's not quite as simple as you'd like to suggest it is, and it certainly doesn't justify the mass slaughter of civilians.

 

[damicky]

This is a waste of time

 

[HirdsTheWord]

there quite literally is a massive 1000000000000+ page thread to post in all you want about gaza/israel

This thread needs to be cleaned up - getting stupid now.

ISIS, who these guys are alleged to follow are actually a ****in opponent of Hamas - dunno why people keep bringing them or Israel up ffs. Go post in the other thread.

 

[faible]

When you've got actual Politicians blaming things like pro-Palestinian protests for the violent actions of two people seemingly radicalised by ISIS, it's going to get ugly.

Which is precisely why normally it's a bi-partisan approach to calm things down, not inflame them.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Oh, sorry, did I say that there was no preceding events whatsoever?

October 7th happened.

The multi-decade occupation happened.

The Nakba happened.

It's not quite as simple as you'd like to suggest it is, and it certainly doesn't justify the mass slaughter of civilians.

How many militants have been killed?