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Hopefully he is finally pulling his finger out.
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Josh going to kill someone this year.*
*might be nicks if he doesn’t play midfield.
He does look primed for a big year
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Milera was asked about new ruck rules impacting our rucks and how McAndrew v ROB has looked like “we’ve only practised boundary throw ins”
So new ruck rules - no practice
Midfield needing work on centre clearances - no practice
Yep makes sense
So new ruck rules - no practice
Midfield needing work on centre clearances - no practice
Yep makes sense
Final pre-Xmas session
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Well that was something.
I think the new Irish bloke might be a bit of a sicko. This was easily the hardest session I’ve seen since Burgo had them run endless laps at Richmond Oval a couple of years ago. In fact that was probably the only time Burgo really flogged the lads in his time here, and this was definitely on par with that.
It also seems that this was the final season of the pre-Christmas period. I wasn’t aware at the time that was actually the case, but given how today played out it makes a lot of sense.
The session was basically split up into two halves - AFLX (yes that’s what it was called) and a shedload of running.
Before that, a quick roll call. Almost everyone was there except for Keane once again (obviously went home to Ireland early) and Ah Chee. Maley was almost a no-show but emerged late to watch from the sidelines. He didn’t seem injured so not sure what the issue is there.
Fortunately it turned out Ryan didn’t injure himself last session, as he trained fully today. On the flipside, Ludowyke tweaked his ankle and headed inside with a trainer. He ended up re-emerging later in the session to have a gander, with ice attached to the front of his ankle, but it didn’t look too bad.
The rehab group was thankfully pretty small. After doing some initial skills work, Max ran laps again as did McGuane. Draper was out there for about 30 minutes doing very light running work.
One thing that was noticeable was just how many players had some sort of strapping. I counted up at least eight - both Murrays (knee), Pedlar (knee), Walker (calf), Taylor (knee), Peatling (shoulder), Ludowyke (knee) and Foot (arm). Felt like the Mummy Returns out there.
Another thing I noticed was how much sprint work the team has done in the past couple weeks, particularly in the warm ups. Burgo seemed hesitant to incorporate much sprinting but that hasn’t been the case this summer.
The AFLX section lasted about an hour and involved two concurrent games between four groups, with another group rotating in and out. Each game would go for about eight or so minutes and took place on both sides of the ground, with makeshift goals.
Despite the name, it was a pretty intense affair. Players weren’t holding back and there were some heavy hits. Thankfully other than Ludowyke no one got injured, though Dowling did get a big knock from Nick Murray (surprise) and took a few minutes to recover.
The coaches actually took scores and the Blue team ended up kicking the largest score (19.4) of the five groups. It consisted of Hinge, Peatling, O’Brien, Cumming, Rankine, Foot, Dowling, Ryan and Strachan.
I’ll post about how a bunch of the players went later on in this report. I was only able to watch one of the games at a time, but that still meant I was able to watch about half a dozen.
Following this, Nicks brought the group together for a reasonably long chat. Maybe to talk about his sweet new contract. I jest.
Then the running began.
Up and down the oval they went, with short breaks in between. It looked to be about a dozen times, at about 80 per cent intensity. The best runners (ANB, Filthy, Bond, Dowling, Marsh) would actually have to do a little more than the others, with their cones set slightly further back, while the worst runners were given a slightly shorter distance. This meant that the group as a whole would finish about the same time.
Unfortunately for the boys, this was just one set. They would then have to run over to a station (in groups based on their jumper colour) and do about a minute of skills work under fatigue. They then ran back to their starting positions for another round of running. Repeat four more times. Fun stuff.
Typically the best runners - as mentioned above - finished at the front each time, particularly Thilthorpe, Bond and Dowling. I was also impressed by a number of others - Rachele struggled a bit early but seemingly got a second wind and often finished at the front in the latter sets. Same with Curtin. Bell is also a very good runner, I wasn’t expecting him to do so well.
Most of the group completed the entirety of the running. A select few were held off from some of the sets, such as Tex and Cotton, just to not overdo it.
Marsh looked cooked by the end of the second set and sat out the third, before jumping back in except this time with the middle section of runners instead of the top guys. This definitely suited him better.
Milera was visibly struggling and appeared done after three sets, but to his credit he did return for the fifth and final one. Usually he’s a pretty good runner so think it just wasn’t his day in the heat.
Fog was doing ok until late in the third set and really struggled in the forth, before sitting out the last one. Like I said, he needs to have a really solid training period over the Xmas break.
Welsh and Taylor both did well considering their histories. I thought Welsh was done after lagging badly behind in the fourth set, but he found a way to keep going until the end. Milk was very good until the final set. Exhausted, he stopped running to catch his breath and get a drink of water right before the end, and obviously realised the error of his ways and ran the last bit by himself. I don’t think he realised just how close he was - I winced a bit, I won’t lie. He doesn’t need to give the coaches any ammo to not pick him.
The lads then went to the boundary and did the push up drill you’ve likely seen already. The final six looked to be Rankine, Drury, Bond, Keays, Foot and Rachele, with the latter three the only ones left standing. It was good to see all the other boys get around them cheering them on.
Overall it was pretty impressive (and slightly nauseating) to watch.
I will point out that sometimes the coaches (or S+C guys) will ask the lads to jog it in, but some walk before putting in a slight jog at the end. This wasn’t just today either. It’s only a small thing but I would prefer more uniformity at times.
I also noticed, for such a tight group, a couple of boys copped hits and looked sore yet few, if any, got around them. Ludowyke was obviously in a bit of strife with his ankle but had to wait some time before someone (a trainer) checked on him. A similar thing happened with Bell later on. I know the boys are professional and don’t want to stop unless required, but I would’ve thought a bit more compassion would be showed. Maybe it’s just me.
Some player thoughts on the AFLX stuff:
9. Murray - still has that knee strapping but I was impressed by his agility and willingness to put a step on his opponent. When he’s struggling he tends to look like he’s on rail tracks, but today he was quite nimble out there.
10. Pedlar - looked a bit sore in the running with that knee. Hopefully that clears up over the break. On the plus side, his aerial work was a real threat during the AFLX games. He just kept jumping at the ball and his hands were excellent.
11. Edwards - missed an easy tackle that a guy his size should’ve laid. He looks fit and there’s no denying his ability to find space and receive outside ball, but he needs to be more than that and get some grit in his game. Especially if he wants to be a mid. No use being 190cm and 90kg if you’re not gonna use it.
15. Cook - had a nice aerial win on Cotton and some of his kicking was just sublime - really punchy 50m darts. He’s always been a talent but it’s now or never and he’s making a genuine fist of it. Scratch matches will tell us more, as it’s the defensive stuff that will make or break this new role of his.
26. Marsh - think he needs the Xmas break as his contest work is down and he struggled a little bit in the running. Having said that, his ability to spot up targets up field is first class and that was evident again today. Get the ball in his hands as he will hit up players with regularity, and not just easy kicks either.
33. Cotton - showed a nice burst of speed when he took Strachan on and got past him with ease (not the toughest opposition I’m aware). Not longer after, laid a ripping tackle on Rankine who just couldn’t put one of his steps on him. He’s still figuring out where to run and just how hard you have to work, but he’s fun to watch.
34. Ludowyke - a shame about the injury, but I thought he did a couple nice things during the AFLX including a terrific run down tackle on Worrell. His willingness to chase and tackle is excellent for a big guy. Definitely needs to build his tank as he tires quickly.
47. Foot - had a nice moment where he burst away and took a couple bounces before slotting a goal, despite a good chase from Bond who is by no means slow. Still not quite sure where he fits in but he does offer something a bit different. Not to mention he worked really hard out there in the running/push ups, so he’s obviously desperate for a chance.
Overall a pretty good start to the pre-season. Draper’s absence has obviously been a real bummer, but otherwise the group is really quite healthy (strapping pandemic notwithstanding).
I thought the lads might be a bit flat after last season’s missed opportunity, and that may still show when games roll around, but so far that doesn’t seem the case and the energy levels have been consistently good.
One thing is for sure, our players are pretty huge. I know most footballers bulk up over the off season but we seem to be pushing it even further, to the point where even Dowling and Sholl finally have arms. The increase in sprint and agility work has also been interesting. Our S+C guys obviously aren’t afraid to risk injury.
There are a few individuals I want to see step things up a bit on return.
Fog needs to get fitter. Peatling needs to find his zest again, he’s been a touch underwhelming. Same with Cumming although his last couple of sessions were a return to form. I’d also like to see Tex step things up a bit after being managed a lot. He has been only ok in match sim, whereas in previous years he has often been quite dominant. Ryan probably needs to step it up a bit as well - we are pretty flush with hopeful half backs, so he needs to find a point of difference to stand out.
Thumbs up go to a number of players thus far. I’ve really enjoyed the work of Nankervis off half back - he seems in a really good space and has shown why he must play round one. Similar thoughts on Dowling with his bigger physique and more explosive game, he’s clearly giving his all in a contract year. Probably not so much a round one lock but he’s pushing his case.
Bond has been very good with his ball use and composure out there, while it’s hard not to be impressed by Curtin’s work ethic even if he’s yet to really dominate match sim.
I’ve also liked Cook in his new half back role, while Cotton has me excited for what he could produce in a couple years. Soligo looks really good out there as does Pedlar. Let’s hope for injury-free years out of those two. Sholl has been excellent but the proof will be in a couple months as to whether he can overcome his deficiencies.
I’ve been a bit lax on answering questions so feel free to chuck em through if there’s anything more you want to know.
I think the new Irish bloke might be a bit of a sicko. This was easily the hardest session I’ve seen since Burgo had them run endless laps at Richmond Oval a couple of years ago. In fact that was probably the only time Burgo really flogged the lads in his time here, and this was definitely on par with that.
It also seems that this was the final season of the pre-Christmas period. I wasn’t aware at the time that was actually the case, but given how today played out it makes a lot of sense.
The session was basically split up into two halves - AFLX (yes that’s what it was called) and a shedload of running.
Before that, a quick roll call. Almost everyone was there except for Keane once again (obviously went home to Ireland early) and Ah Chee. Maley was almost a no-show but emerged late to watch from the sidelines. He didn’t seem injured so not sure what the issue is there.
Fortunately it turned out Ryan didn’t injure himself last session, as he trained fully today. On the flipside, Ludowyke tweaked his ankle and headed inside with a trainer. He ended up re-emerging later in the session to have a gander, with ice attached to the front of his ankle, but it didn’t look too bad.
The rehab group was thankfully pretty small. After doing some initial skills work, Max ran laps again as did McGuane. Draper was out there for about 30 minutes doing very light running work.
One thing that was noticeable was just how many players had some sort of strapping. I counted up at least eight - both Murrays (knee), Pedlar (knee), Walker (calf), Taylor (knee), Peatling (shoulder), Ludowyke (knee) and Foot (arm). Felt like the Mummy Returns out there.
Another thing I noticed was how much sprint work the team has done in the past couple weeks, particularly in the warm ups. Burgo seemed hesitant to incorporate much sprinting but that hasn’t been the case this summer.
The AFLX section lasted about an hour and involved two concurrent games between four groups, with another group rotating in and out. Each game would go for about eight or so minutes and took place on both sides of the ground, with makeshift goals.
Despite the name, it was a pretty intense affair. Players weren’t holding back and there were some heavy hits. Thankfully other than Ludowyke no one got injured, though Dowling did get a big knock from Nick Murray (surprise) and took a few minutes to recover.
The coaches actually took scores and the Blue team ended up kicking the largest score (19.4) of the five groups. It consisted of Hinge, Peatling, O’Brien, Cumming, Rankine, Foot, Dowling, Ryan and Strachan.
I’ll post about how a bunch of the players went later on in this report. I was only able to watch one of the games at a time, but that still meant I was able to watch about half a dozen.
Following this, Nicks brought the group together for a reasonably long chat. Maybe to talk about his sweet new contract. I jest.
Then the running began.
Up and down the oval they went, with short breaks in between. It looked to be about a dozen times, at about 80 per cent intensity. The best runners (ANB, Filthy, Bond, Dowling, Marsh) would actually have to do a little more than the others, with their cones set slightly further back, while the worst runners were given a slightly shorter distance. This meant that the group as a whole would finish about the same time.
Unfortunately for the boys, this was just one set. They would then have to run over to a station (in groups based on their jumper colour) and do about a minute of skills work under fatigue. They then ran back to their starting positions for another round of running. Repeat four more times. Fun stuff.
Typically the best runners - as mentioned above - finished at the front each time, particularly Thilthorpe, Bond and Dowling. I was also impressed by a number of others - Rachele struggled a bit early but seemingly got a second wind and often finished at the front in the latter sets. Same with Curtin. Bell is also a very good runner, I wasn’t expecting him to do so well.
Most of the group completed the entirety of the running. A select few were held off from some of the sets, such as Tex and Cotton, just to not overdo it.
Marsh looked cooked by the end of the second set and sat out the third, before jumping back in except this time with the middle section of runners instead of the top guys. This definitely suited him better.
Milera was visibly struggling and appeared done after three sets, but to his credit he did return for the fifth and final one. Usually he’s a pretty good runner so think it just wasn’t his day in the heat.
Fog was doing ok until late in the third set and really struggled in the forth, before sitting out the last one. Like I said, he needs to have a really solid training period over the Xmas break.
Welsh and Taylor both did well considering their histories. I thought Welsh was done after lagging badly behind in the fourth set, but he found a way to keep going until the end. Milk was very good until the final set. Exhausted, he stopped running to catch his breath and get a drink of water right before the end, and obviously realised the error of his ways and ran the last bit by himself. I don’t think he realised just how close he was - I winced a bit, I won’t lie. He doesn’t need to give the coaches any ammo to not pick him.
The lads then went to the boundary and did the push up drill you’ve likely seen already. The final six looked to be Rankine, Drury, Bond, Keays, Foot and Rachele, with the latter three the only ones left standing. It was good to see all the other boys get around them cheering them on.
Overall it was pretty impressive (and slightly nauseating) to watch.
I will point out that sometimes the coaches (or S+C guys) will ask the lads to jog it in, but some walk before putting in a slight jog at the end. This wasn’t just today either. It’s only a small thing but I would prefer more uniformity at times.
I also noticed, for such a tight group, a couple of boys copped hits and looked sore yet few, if any, got around them. Ludowyke was obviously in a bit of strife with his ankle but had to wait some time before someone (a trainer) checked on him. A similar thing happened with Bell later on. I know the boys are professional and don’t want to stop unless required, but I would’ve thought a bit more compassion would be showed. Maybe it’s just me.
Some player thoughts on the AFLX stuff:
9. Murray - still has that knee strapping but I was impressed by his agility and willingness to put a step on his opponent. When he’s struggling he tends to look like he’s on rail tracks, but today he was quite nimble out there.
10. Pedlar - looked a bit sore in the running with that knee. Hopefully that clears up over the break. On the plus side, his aerial work was a real threat during the AFLX games. He just kept jumping at the ball and his hands were excellent.
11. Edwards - missed an easy tackle that a guy his size should’ve laid. He looks fit and there’s no denying his ability to find space and receive outside ball, but he needs to be more than that and get some grit in his game. Especially if he wants to be a mid. No use being 190cm and 90kg if you’re not gonna use it.
15. Cook - had a nice aerial win on Cotton and some of his kicking was just sublime - really punchy 50m darts. He’s always been a talent but it’s now or never and he’s making a genuine fist of it. Scratch matches will tell us more, as it’s the defensive stuff that will make or break this new role of his.
26. Marsh - think he needs the Xmas break as his contest work is down and he struggled a little bit in the running. Having said that, his ability to spot up targets up field is first class and that was evident again today. Get the ball in his hands as he will hit up players with regularity, and not just easy kicks either.
33. Cotton - showed a nice burst of speed when he took Strachan on and got past him with ease (not the toughest opposition I’m aware). Not longer after, laid a ripping tackle on Rankine who just couldn’t put one of his steps on him. He’s still figuring out where to run and just how hard you have to work, but he’s fun to watch.
34. Ludowyke - a shame about the injury, but I thought he did a couple nice things during the AFLX including a terrific run down tackle on Worrell. His willingness to chase and tackle is excellent for a big guy. Definitely needs to build his tank as he tires quickly.
47. Foot - had a nice moment where he burst away and took a couple bounces before slotting a goal, despite a good chase from Bond who is by no means slow. Still not quite sure where he fits in but he does offer something a bit different. Not to mention he worked really hard out there in the running/push ups, so he’s obviously desperate for a chance.
Overall a pretty good start to the pre-season. Draper’s absence has obviously been a real bummer, but otherwise the group is really quite healthy (strapping pandemic notwithstanding).
I thought the lads might be a bit flat after last season’s missed opportunity, and that may still show when games roll around, but so far that doesn’t seem the case and the energy levels have been consistently good.
One thing is for sure, our players are pretty huge. I know most footballers bulk up over the off season but we seem to be pushing it even further, to the point where even Dowling and Sholl finally have arms. The increase in sprint and agility work has also been interesting. Our S+C guys obviously aren’t afraid to risk injury.
There are a few individuals I want to see step things up a bit on return.
Fog needs to get fitter. Peatling needs to find his zest again, he’s been a touch underwhelming. Same with Cumming although his last couple of sessions were a return to form. I’d also like to see Tex step things up a bit after being managed a lot. He has been only ok in match sim, whereas in previous years he has often been quite dominant. Ryan probably needs to step it up a bit as well - we are pretty flush with hopeful half backs, so he needs to find a point of difference to stand out.
Thumbs up go to a number of players thus far. I’ve really enjoyed the work of Nankervis off half back - he seems in a really good space and has shown why he must play round one. Similar thoughts on Dowling with his bigger physique and more explosive game, he’s clearly giving his all in a contract year. Probably not so much a round one lock but he’s pushing his case.
Bond has been very good with his ball use and composure out there, while it’s hard not to be impressed by Curtin’s work ethic even if he’s yet to really dominate match sim.
I’ve also liked Cook in his new half back role, while Cotton has me excited for what he could produce in a couple years. Soligo looks really good out there as does Pedlar. Let’s hope for injury-free years out of those two. Sholl has been excellent but the proof will be in a couple months as to whether he can overcome his deficiencies.
I’ve been a bit lax on answering questions so feel free to chuck em through if there’s anything more you want to know.
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How’s rash going? Looks a specimen
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He’s sure bulked up, probably only seen the benefits with his aerial work thus far.
Hard to judge midfield stuff yet even though he’s been named in there. Like I said previously, the only genuine stoppage work has been the odd boundary throw in.
I think the S+C guys have held him back at stages this summer but that wasn’t the case today. He worked real hard out there.
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Great report thanks
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Thanks for the report .....I'll be popping down for a few sessions after Xmas
The last couple of years, the Club has commented how good the boys conditioning was, returning for PS ...and that it allowed them to spend more time with ball work
What does the emphasis on running this year tell us ?
Did the boys not return in as good a physical shape ? .....you have mentioned Fog
What do you think the thought process is ....and will it impact our skills work ?