Scandal Tom Silvagni convicted of rape

[MrsEddieBetts]

This was a tough read but it helped me to understand the reasoning behind his sentence length etc:

DPP v Silvagni [2025] VCC 1891 (17 December 2025)

Also provides more detail around the actual offences so read at your own risk.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Deterrence is only one element of sentencing.

Punishment, community expectation, community safety, rehabilitation etc, etc.

I don’t really want the US model but 3 years for raping someone does feel pretty light on, coupled with the fact that most of us were shocked it was THAT long, I think it’s fair to note that sentencing is a mile out of step with the community expectation.

Its graded. Grade one is the most....i don't know the word...rapiest. Grade 3 is the least. This is grade three.
Do you think he should have got the same penalty if he'd tied her to the bed, and forced his **** into her and made her pregnant.
If not ...stop oversimplifying things.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

If everyone is to follow the "family honour at all costs" edict of some on here then I assume some people have no problem with the victims family murdering the Silvagni clan?

I mean firstly their kid r*ped your daughter/sister then to top off the Silvagnis are also calling her a liar

Under the "family honour at all costs" ethos then surely that would justify having the entire Silvagni clan wacked? Yes?

So....rape deserves the death penalty?

Ok.
Your call , on this forum.

What do you do to people who do worse crimes....Really bad death?
We could have the Willhaward school of law....crime = death.
Those ancient romans were too soft.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

This was a tough read but it helped me to understand the reasoning behind his sentence length etc:

DPP v Silvagni [2025] VCC 1891 (17 December 2025)

Also provides more detail around the actual offences so read at your own risk.

Yeah seems a fair sentence to me
The first incident could almost be put down to drunken idiocy.
But the second incident ...nasty.

Still not in the tier of severe rapes that happen in our society, but deserving of the penalty he got.

 

[phantom13]

Its graded. Grade one is the most....i don't know the word...rapiest. Grade 3 is the least. This is grade three.
Do you think he should have got the same penalty if he'd tied her to the bed, and forced his **** into her and made her pregnant.
If not ...stop oversimplifying things.

The irony of you saying stop oversimplifying things whilst also presenting a toddler level strawman can’t be lost on anyone

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Yeah seems a fair sentence to me
The first incident could almost be put down to drunken idiocy.
But the second incident ...nasty.

Still not in the tier of severe rapes that happen in our society, but deserving of the penalty he got.

The judge clearly stated it wasn’t anything like drunken idiocy.

 

[phantom13]

Yeah seems a fair sentence to me
The first incident could almost be put down to drunken idiocy.
But the second incident ...nasty.

Still not in the tier of severe rapes that happen in our society, but deserving of the penalty he got.

So him quite deliberately setting up that the other guy was coming back, then very deliberately trying to pretend to be him and doing what he did, whilst also lying about who he was was a bit of drunken idiocy.

I’ll bet you wonder why women pick the bear too.

 

[BillyElliott]

The judge clearly stated it wasn’t anything like drunken idiocy.

Thankfully neither did the police or jury.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The judge clearly stated it wasn’t anything like drunken idiocy.

I agree'd with the final verdict , what do you want.?

 

[BillyElliott]

I agree'd with the final verdict , what do you want.?

Calling rape 'drunken idiocy' is truly idiotic.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

I agree'd with the final verdict , what do you want.?

For you not to diminish Silvagni’s calculated, predatory behaviour.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

So him quite deliberately setting up that the other guy was coming back, then very deliberately trying to pretend to be him and doing what he did, whilst also lying about who he was was a bit of drunken idiocy.

I’ll bet you wonder why women pick the bear too.

After reading the entire time line, i have to think that out of everyone at the premises at the time , Tom was the most incoherent.
Whatever he thought he was doing , he was ****ing wasted.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

So him quite deliberately setting up that the other guy was coming back, then very deliberately trying to pretend to be him and doing what he did, whilst also lying about who he was was a bit of drunken idiocy.

I’ll bet you wonder why women pick the bear too.

I’d pick the bear, every time. At least I’d be believed without question and no one would try to water down the bear’s intentions or make excuses for it.

 

[phantom13]

After reading the entire time line, i have to think that out of his everyone at the premises at the time , Tom was the most incoherent.
Whatever he thought he was doing , he was ****ing wasted.

**** me dead.

It’s truly incredible that in all my time drinking and doing party drugs I’ve managed to not only never rape anyone but never tried to pretend to be someone else just to rape someone if it’s as simple as just being hammered.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

After reading the entire time line, i have to think that out of everyone at the premises at the time , Tom was the most incoherent.
Whatever he thought he was doing , he was ****ing wasted.

He didn’t even submit intoxication as part of his own defence.

 

[phantom13]

I’d pick the bear, every time. At least I’d be believed without question and no one would try to water down the bear’s intentions or make excuses for it.

What if the bear was drunk though?

 

[phantom13]

I agree'd with the final verdict , what do you want.?

Honestly.

People like you to not exist would be nice

 

[BillyElliott]

After reading the entire time line, i have to think that out of his everyone at the premises at the time , Tom was the most incoherent.
Whatever he thought he was doing , he was ****ing wasted.

After I read the entire time line, it seemed he was very calculated to me & knew exactly what he was doing. He wasn't wasted enough to cover up his actions afterwards & begin his plan of cover-up.

And besides, when is alcohol used as an excuse/reason to rape?

 

[BillyElliott]

I’d pick the bear, every time. At least I’d be believed without question and no one would try to water down the bear’s intentions or make excuses for it.

The bear probably wouldn't lie & blame his best friend either.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Calling rape 'drunken idiocy' is truly idiotic.

In Melbourne there are guys who preyed on women. They would study their movements. They would intercept them on the way home, drag them into the car , and forcefully put their **** into them.
To sit there and say, rape is rape, predator is predator, is massive oversimplification.

There are all sorts of low lives out there. Tom Silvagni is a young guy who ****ed up. Whether or not you mob imagine him to be a serial offender in your imaginations.

 

[tigs2010]

Weird considering that's exactly what the reporter is doing. Her job.

Maybe Steve has the most brain cells in the relationship...

 

[BillyElliott]

In Melbourne there are guys who preyed on women. They would study their movements. They would intercept them on the way home, drag them into the car , and forcefully put their **** into them.
To sit there and say, rape is rape, predator is predator, is massive oversimplification.

There are all sorts of low lives out there. Tom Silvagni is a young guy who ****ed up. Whether or not you mob imagine him to be a serial offender in your imaginations.

We're discussing this rape. And it wasn't drunken idiocy.

I'm well aware of the creeps out there & the violent crimes committed against women.

 

[phantom13]

In Melbourne there are guys who preyed on women. They would study their movements. They would intercept them on the way home, drag them into the car , and forcefully put their **** into them.
To sit there and say, rape is rape, predator is predator, is massive oversimplification.

There are all sorts of low lives out there. Tom Silvagni is a young guy who ****ed up. Whether or not you mob imagine him to be a serial offender in your imaginations.

How exactly did tom not prey on a young vulnerable woman who believed (because of his lie) that her boyfriend was getting back into bed with her?

Aside from extreme physical violence (which given she was restrained is pretty subjective to the victim) I don’t see all that much difference except that this is the only time he got caught

 

[SaintsSeptember]

**** me dead.

It’s truly incredible that in all my time drinking and doing party drugs I’ve managed to not only never rape anyone but never tried to pretend to be someone else just to rape someone if it’s as simple as just being hammered.

I never hit the drugs, but i never even got close to raping anyone either. I did put my hand on a girls breast once and she slapped me a ripper. when everyone turned around and asked what happened. She just said " he deserved it " and i nodded my head in agreement.

But i know other people who get drunk and get horribly violent.
And others who do other things.

I did not say it was ok to rape someone because they were hammered, i said he deserved the penalty he got, and on the scale of rape, its grade 3. Which is what the charge was.

If he'd stopped after the first instance , the girl might not have pressed charges. but after he got physical and forced his way the second time, absolutely he was way out of line.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

How exactly did tom not prey on a young vulnerable woman who believed (because of his lie) that her boyfriend was getting back into bed with her?

Aside from extreme physical violence (which given she was restrained is pretty subjective to the victim) I don’t see all that much difference except that this is the only time he got caught

Predatory behavior is typically not a 15 minute timeline.