Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[CM86]

It’s definitely not on but its nowhere near as bad as being shot

It's about what it leads to, right?

Like, the way that so many of the far right extremists keep saying it's Albo's fault for allowing Pro-Palestine marches.

A march, a flag, a picture... None of these are as bad as being shot.
It's about the hateful, targeted rhetoric to promote extremism, that ends in these actions.

 

[Festerz]

The gun lobby, since forever -

“Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.”

So don’t give people guns, moron.

It needs to be remembered that in October 2023 Bridget McKenie proclaimed to the Australian Senate that she is a proud Zionist. She is also the founder and Chair of the Parliamentary Friends of Shooting (yes -such a thing exists and has membership from the ALP, Liberals, Nationals, One Nation and Independents).

 

[Markfs]

It's about what it leads to, right?

Like, the way that so many of the far right extremists keep saying it's Albo's fault for allowing Pro-Palestine marches.

A march, a flag, a picture... None of these are as bad as being shot.
It's about the hateful, targeted rhetoric to promote extremism, that ends in these actions.

some people just get emotional about children being shot in the head...

 

[ElectricG]

It's about what it leads to, right?

Like, the way that so many of the far right extremists keep saying it's Albo's fault for allowing Pro-Palestine marches.

A march, a flag, a picture... None of these are as bad as being shot.
It's about the hateful, targeted rhetoric to promote extremism, that ends in these actions.

But the point is the AJA thing was posted here to provoke outrage and imply that Jewish organisations are not only just as bad, but worse! Anyone who is being honest knows that one instance of creepy filming is not comparable. If that’s as bad as the reprisal gets after a massacre of their people then jfc you’d wanna come up with something more damning.

 

[Romeoh1]

What the National Party leadership stood for in the days following the Port Arthur massacre:

'Many Australians are alive today because of Tim Fischer'

Within days of the 1996 Port Arthur massacre, the Nationals leader and then-prime minister John Howard had started building a case to introduce some of the toughest gun control laws in the world.

www.abc.net.au

What the current National Party stands for:

Vile.

 

[Markfs]

They are diverse in that not all agree on the way forward. Many jews participate in the protests because they don't agree with the Israeli government - which is a far right genocidal apartheid regime.

The conflation of all jews with the actions of Netanyahu's Israel is a massive part of the problem, and you are contributing to that yourself right now.

For the most part the rallies have been both inclusive and non violent, regardless of what certain sections of the media keep telling you.

The vast majority of jewish israeli support how nety is conducting the gaza genocide. The israeli gov't reflects the will of the people. I dont doubt that there are jews with other points of view.

 

[T2B_]

From my experience your average ALP voter is very thinned skinned.


When in power, they tend to act like their PM’s are a deity.

Not sure about this. Albo has never filled me with massive confidence or inspiration, at best he's just safe, but I voted ALP this time round to punish the Libs for their attempted Trumpian dickheadery and a bad direction they were heading in (still are, sadly). I feel most average voters were similar.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Not sure about this. Albo has never filled me with massive confidence or inspiration, at best he's just safe, but I voted ALP this time round to punish the Libs for their attempted Trumpian dickheadery and a bad direction they were heading in (still are, sadly). I feel most average voters were similar.

I hope we never have a PM who sucks up to donny rump, but fear a lib's Pm would.

 

[ElectricG]

I hope we never have a PM who sucks up to donny rump, but fear a lib's Pm would.

Albo’s management of that relationship is pretty hard to fault. Albo would legit hate the bloke, but somehow trump loves him without him making any real concessions to trumpism. Albo just wants to weather the storm for four years and get the best for Aus.

 

[Mr Blicavs]

... seriously, what is the point of this post? Couldn't you just have declared it, like this:


If you were feeling a bit spicy you could even have included an ellipsis afterwards:

But you framed it as a question, before insisting that it wasn't one.

Which makes me wonder why you chose to post at all. This is a forum. You don't post unless you want others to see it; if it's not a question, does that mean it's just performative? You were looking for likes, appreciation; not from lefties, obviously, but from the supposed other team?

Are you lot meant to be against virtue signalling?

This post reveals one hell of a lot about you, Mr Blicavs.

That pompous little rant doesn’t make me any less right…. And says a lot about YOU

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

the bad news is that the spark of independent thought in social media is being snuffed out or bought off...the dark ages are approaching... i half expect pledges to israel to become mandatory in employment contracts and mortgages.

I would be going that far, we do not have anti BDS laws.

 

[Bloods86]

The lefties really don’t want to address Islamic extremism in Australia, do they…. Never mind lefties, that wasn’t a question, I was being rhetorical

Translation:

"I can't handle different viewpoints so here's something I made up to get a reaction. But actually, come to think of it, I can't back up what I've said, so pretty please don't respond to me."

 

[10571z]

 

[Bloods86]

Ah, I see. I'm aware of the old-age history between Muslims and Christians & modern day issues with both, but I never saw them as the rival religion, nor was exposed to it growing up. Interesting to read your perspective, nonetheless.

There was the general "any other religion is false and is a threat to spreading Christianity" and would also change our culture away from a "Christian" one.

But I was also brought up that Muslims were a unique threat because they were so violent, that this was a fundamental part of the religion that was believed by most. Not every single one, but enough to stigmatise the whole community.

Luckily I grew up (physically and mentally), and moved somewhere with many more Muslims, have worked with them, have visited Muslim majority countries and others with more than Australia, and broke out of religious/political bubbles that had me believing and expressing bigotry.

 

[ferball]

But the point is the AJA thing was posted here to provoke outrage and imply that Jewish organisations are not only just as bad, but worse! Anyone who is being honest knows that one instance of creepy filming is not comparable. If that’s as bad as the reprisal gets after a massacre of their people then jfc you’d wanna come up with something more damning.

I think it was just posted here to illustrate that particular organisation is untrustworthy and has no qualms about how it propagandises.

 

[UltraEgo]

what a campaigner

 

[Bloods86]

It really needs to be stickied that the Jewish community in Australia are not responsible for the policies of Netanyahu and Israel…

Does it? This doesn't seem to be a view being expressed in the thread, especially by the "lefties" you deride, considering 1) many of us keep pointing out that "Jews" does not equal "Israel", 2) that Jewish people are involved in pro Palestine rallies, and 3) that Jewish groups oppose Netanyahu and Israel's actions.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Fair enough.

Its important to make sure we hold politicians accountable for the things they are responsible for.

In Abbott's case that would be the significant increase in the rate of men murdering their women partners under his leadership. (Ie from under 50 in 2012 to over 80 in 2015,) following the language about killing the former PM Julia Gillard that he refused to condemn.

Awesome, go post about it in the Abbot thread.

 

[Markfs]

I would be going that far, we do not have anti BDS laws.

thats because the BDS site for Australia suggests sanctions on buying Israeli VCRs....

 

[FIGJAM]

A groundswell of sentiment to terrorism? From years of peaceful protests? And minor vandalism which ended with prison time and an ambassador expelled?

I'm still yet to hear exactly what anyone would have done differently.

Was a groundswell of sentiment to anti-semitism which culminated in a terrorist attack? Undoubtedly!

Within the "years of peaceful" protests, there were people yelling "Where are the Jews?", calls for an intifada, the displaying of Hamas and Hezbolah flags, the selling of merchandise with the Hamas logo and the chanting and selling of merchandise stating "From the river to the sea".

The "minor vandalism" included arson on a brewery (police think it was supposed to be the adjacent kosher deli), then a successful arson attack on a kosher deli, Woollahra has had anti-semitic graffiti and torched vehicles multiple times and the Adass Israel synagog was firebombed. And all this happened before 2025, where there was a string of similar incidents, leading up to the clash in Bondi on September 7 and the terrorist attack December 14.

Contrast this behaviour to the war running roughly parallel with this one, being the Ukraine / Russia "special military operation". We had some protests in 2022, but they have all but dried up. There was no undercurrent of support for threats against the Australian Russian community. No anti-Russian graffiti. No firebombing of Russian orthodox churches. No Ukrainian orthodox priests spitting vile hatred towards "The Russians". No declaration of intifada. Or equivalent 'river to the sea' rhetoric.

It's chalk and cheese! And yet Ukraine has done literally nothing wrong other than not be a puppet government for Russia and risk bringing NATO to Russia's doorstep, whereas the leaders of Gaza were actively engaging in the war crime of holding civilian hostages for the past 2 years.

It's worth noting that I can't recall any protests by the Palestinian community about the Assad regime's treatment of 500,000 of Syria's Palestinian refugees around 2014, which involved mass displacement, direct murder and starvation. This was actual ethnic cleansing and genocide. Yet if Israel are involved in anything, we need to close the CBD. Why is that?

It is also worth noting that there are those in the 'tea cozy hat' wearing brigade from Brunswick and Fitzroy only sew on Palestinian flags when Israel are involved. Where were they during the Syrian treatment of the Palestinian refugees? Did they hit the streets weekly when the Turks displaced and murdered the Kurds just 5 years ago? Why is that?

So what could the leaders have done differently?

I am loathe to prevent free speech and the right to protest, but surely there has to be a limit on having week, upon week, upon week of protests. There is no doubt that whilst there are many well-intended peace-seeking protesters, these repeated protests bred an undercurrent of hatred towards Jews from those within the protests who can't differentiate between Israel, Israel's government, Judaism and those of Jewish ethnicity (who might even be anti-Zionists and against Israel's government).

In addition, it is financially an abnormal burden on any city to police weekly or biweekly. But more importantly, it acts as a mantra empowering those who are on the cusp of vandalism, arson and terrorist actions.

Another thing is that the PM and Premiers all condemned threats, attacks, graffiti, arson, fire-bombings and terror attacks in retrospect. But even then, these condemnations felt like they were 'doorstop' interviews that carried little weight. We don't have formal televised US style Presidential addresses, but why not? There is something more focussed about a leader staring down the barrel of a camera to talk directly to the people, explain why there is currently an influx of anti-semitism and why it is wrong, misguided and 'un-Auatralian' to target Australian jews as a result of a war half a world away.

If addressing the nation directly is too hard, then maybe an advertising campaign educating people that Australian Jews should not be the 'whipping boy' for frustrations wouldn't hurt either.

Ultimately, the effort towards messaging simply needed to be more concerted. It may not have prevented this recent attack, but it sure as shit wouldn't have hurt.

 

[Elixuh]

Hmm democratic right to lawful and peaceful protest going out the window. Don’t see how this is a good thing.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

You just have to look at this thread to see how low the bar is for acceptance of Islamic fundamentalism in this country. 16 Jews killed at a social event and this thread is still primarily in talks about how bad Israel... I don't give a f*k about Israel, and this incident isn't about Israel, this is about Islamic extremism on our streets, and until people acknowledge that, and call it out, our society will continue to degrade, bollards will continue to be dropped onto our streets to protect Christmas Markets, Australia Day events, New Years eve fireworks etc, and Australia - the Australia that allows all these bleeding hart morons to feign their morality and acceptance, will be destroyed.

The Australian Government will pretend to bring in laws to address this, they will 'tighten' hate speech, but those laws will only be used to target right wing voices and people critical of the government. Meanwhile foreign nationals will continue to call for Islamic violence to be enacted against us, and those in this thread will continue to to support their right to do so, because apparently due to our inherent white guilt we deserve to be killed, abused and intimidated by fundamentalist Islam.

The death of Australia lies not in the hands of those two insane gunmen from last weekend - it lies in the hands of Albanese and every lefty so full of hate that they welcome the destruction of Australian lives.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

The death of Australia lies not in the hands of those two insane gunmen from last weekend - it lies in the hands of Albanese and every lefty so full of hate that they welcome the destruction of Australian lives.

Dude log off, take a walk, gain a clue.

 

[Bloods86]

You just have to look at this thread to see how low the bar is for acceptance of Islamic fundamentalism in this country. 16 Jews killed at a social event and this thread is still primarily in talks about how bad Israel... I don't give a f*k about Israel, and this incident isn't about Israel, this is about Islamic extremism on our streets, and until people acknowledge that, and call it out, our society will continue to degrade, bollards will continue to be dropped onto our streets to protect Christmas Markets, Australia Day events, New Years eve fireworks etc, and Australia - the Australia that allows all these bleeding hart morons to feign their morality and acceptance, will be destroyed.

The Australian Government will pretend to bring in laws to address this, they will 'tighten' hate speech, but those laws will only be used to target right wing voices and people critical of the government. Meanwhile foreign nationals will continue to call for Islamic violence to be enacted against us, and those in this thread will continue to to support their right to do so, because apparently due to our inherent white guilt we deserve to be killed, abused and intimidated by fundamentalist Islam.

The death of Australia lies not in the hands of those two insane gunmen from last weekend - it lies in the hands of Albanese and every lefty so full of hate that they welcome the destruction of Australian lives.

Probably a good idea to go have a lie down. Try not to dream of your authoritarian utopia while you're at it.

 

[QuietB]

Ah, I see. I'm aware of the old-age history between Muslims and Christians & modern day issues with both, but I never saw them as the rival religion, nor was exposed to it growing up. Interesting to read your perspective, nonetheless.

I am by no means a historian when it comes to religion, however, I did listen to a "Empires" pod cast the other week which loosely explained that Islam emerged as a religion in Arabia at around the same time the Roman Empire started to collapse and at the same time the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches split. A new religion meant they didn't have to deal with that split. You start a whole new religion.

It is amazing that a few fiction books have created this much drama and friction.