Hot Topic Will Elijah Hollands get another gig at Carlton?

[Aphrodite]

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[Espio]

My problem with White is not effort or pace. Think he has enough of both to succeed, but my issue is that his first touch is not good enough. Small forwards do not get 2 grabs, they will occasionally tap the ball on if under immediate pressure (a la Cameron, Betts), but as a rule they need to handle to ball at speed. Unfortunately it is a skill that White is just not good enough at.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

My problem with White is not effort or pace. Think he has enough of both to succeed, but my issue is that his first touch is not good enough. Small forwards do not get 2 grabs, they will occasionally tap the ball on if under immediate pressure (a la Cameron, Betts), but as a rule they need to handle to ball at speed. Unfortunately it is a skill that White is just not good enough at.

Your right. But at the same time it’s a fairly easy fix imo

 

[Blue By Blood]

Your right. But at the same time it’s a fairly easy fix imo

I think being clean and a one grab player is about the last thing a player can improve on. You can tidy up hand and foot skills, you can train situational and game awareness, you can train composure to a degree, you can work on running technique to improve speed, you can train to improve endurance.. but that natural ability to be clean and one grab is very hard to improve significantly.

 

[Red_man2008]

If whites winning this time trial and Elijah is nowhere near it, then, it looks like we may go White over Lij. But there is two spots I guess. Paying the guy that has earnt it over the potential is a way better look. But we do need to start taking risks.

Picking 3 smalls in the SSP last year wasn’t a risk.

 

[Accidental genius]

Big No to Elijah. Sorry but enough is enough. Time for him to focus on his personal life without disrupting tge blues.

Get help and get a normal job.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

I think being clean and a one grab player is about the last thing a player can improve on. You can tidy up hand and foot skills, you can train situational and game awareness, you can train composure to a degree, you can work on running technique to improve speed, you can train to improve endurance.. but that natural ability to be clean and one grab is very hard to improve significantly.

To me, the one grab/touch part of the game is a more confidence thing and getting up to the speed of the game.
Need to focus on that one moment of collecting the ball cleanly firstly and then worry about using it.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

I'd say the most likely outcome is both end up on the list. Even though I agree we do look 1 KPD short I just don't think we know a good enough prospect to select.

 

[kingkingston]

We don't have a player with his skillset.............Not many clubs do

 

[gbatman]

time trial stars are rarely your best players, it's good to be fit but doesn't mean a lot.

 

[SirSanchez]

Given the season ending injury to Mots we will take both White and Lij.

 

[marcmurphy3]

If whites winning this time trial and Elijah is nowhere near it, then, it looks like we may go White over Lij. But there is two spots I guess. Paying the guy that has earnt it over the potential is a way better look. But we do need to start taking risks.

We don't even know if Lij did the time trial. I doubt he did. If he does, he makes that top 5 every day of the week. So does Ollie. Also, Lij has reportedly been killing match sim, so I'm not sure how he's not earning it.

 

[ctwenty1]

Given the season ending injury to Mots we will take both White and Lij.

most likely

 

[Soapy V]

Given the season ending injury to Mots we will take both White and Lij.

Highly unlikely

 

[SirSanchez]

Highly unlikely

Do you have some additional info on this Soap? Would seem a likely outcome for mine.

 

[ctwenty1]

Do you have some additional info on this Soap? Would seem a likely outcome for mine.

maybe we break the cycle of taking any and evry small forward, and take a ruckman

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Highly unlikely

That would seem to be insane to me.

On what basis do you say that?

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

We don't even know if Lij did the time trial. I doubt he did. If he does, he makes that top 5 every day of the week. So does Ollie. Also, Lij has reportedly been killing match sim, so I'm not sure how he's not earning it.

I went to one of the open sessions pre-Xmas, and Elijah was giving everyone else windburn on the way past in all of the running drills, including White.

You're 100% correct, it means nothing except that both of them are giving themselves every chance to be back on the list.

 

[Soapy V]

Do you have some additional info on this Soap? Would seem a likely outcome for mine.

Club isnn't even close to making any decisions yet. What I have been told is although EH/White have been given chance to train with us that doesn't mean they are first in line

Austin and Co have been doing a lot of work on possibles and a lot will depend on form, fitness and needs during pre season. Like last year and mid year don't be surprised to see a name that hasn't been mentioned yet

Last year we had Liam McMahon, Denver Grainger-Barras, Sam Durdin, Matt Carroll, Ethan Phillips (officially) training with us and picked up Francis Evans, Carroll, White and Flynn Young

 

[BlueLocke]

We don't even know if Lij did the time trial. I doubt he did. If he does, he makes that top 5 every day of the week. So does Ollie. Also, Lij has reportedly been killing match sim, so I'm not sure how he's not earning it.

Yeah there’s a million reasons those above mentioned runners aren’t in the top 5. Could’ve been sore, held up at the start, worn the wrong shoes, might have been a second behind those 5 listed (not much difference between running a 5:48 and a 5:49 at the end of the day), he and Ollie could’ve had a dodgey vindaloo the night before.

As long as he’s not bloody injured!

 

[Accidental genius]

We don't even know if Lij did the time trial. I doubt he did. If he does, he makes that top 5 every day of the week. So does Ollie. Also, Lij has reportedly been killing match sim, so I'm not sure how he's not earning it.

looks like there’s been a glitch as I didn’t write the post your are responding to.

 

[DirtyLeeds]

Mots ACL equates to Lij reinstatement, simply no other outcome. The second spot must go to a KDP......

 

[COACH25]

You think with Motlop ACL
White and Elijah would both get a gig now.

Mid season draft KPD

 

[Opium]

I'm more about List balance and what we need. Does Will bring what we need? I really like him but struggle to see benefits. Motlop is now out but we have Williams, Ainsworth, Cottrell, Byrne, Fogarty, Evans, Young on our List. That is still a lot for one position. You could add Ison & Jagga going through there as well. Moir can play smaller

Also, what is White's point of difference? IMO he is more a worker like Fogarty. Not X factor speed or goal sense.

Like I have said I really like him but trying to be objective I don't see the need at all

IMO I would be looking at speedy Mids and/or Talls. List wise that is our need and I would not be surprised if we look outside for at least one of our selections

Our small forwards stocks aren't great. We've now lost Motlop and traded Durdin. Fogarty struggles to have scoreboard impact and isn't quick. Williams is our best small forward and is injury prone. White is a two way runner and applies pressure. I would be shocked if White isn't given another opportunity on our list.
A small forward is a priority in my opinion.

 

[Opium]

Id like to see White improve his goal kicking. He kicks alot of behinds for a player in an opportunist type role.

The key for me is he is getting the opportunities. Just needs a little composure.

 

[Opium]

We don't even know if Lij did the time trial. I doubt he did. If he does, he makes that top 5 every day of the week. So does Ollie. Also, Lij has reportedly been killing match sim, so I'm not sure how he's not earning it.

Don't think Elijah or Ollie did the time trial