Unsolved The Family Murders * BREAKING! Von Einem is dead

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The Who's Who List

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VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

• DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
• DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed? Reportedly deceased.

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed

LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella

Out of Sight - The Untold Story of Adelaide's Gay Hate Murders

The Cases of Forensic Pathologist Colin Manock

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[ClarityInChaos]

I found your book interesting. Do you know much of Colin Manock? I am interested in why you say he had no part in the Family because he was in a relationship with a woman and wasn’t gay. I am in no way saying he was or was not involved, but how would he have known that one of the boys was drowned in the home pool of a high profile QC lawyer? (He said it in the interview with Debi Marshall). Also who was the lawyer? He seems to be the only one with knowledge on this.
Regarding him not being gay, he was still involved with the transvestite community (that’s what they were called at the time). His wife, Mistress Gabrielle, is a man transitioned to female. Also the fact that Gino Gambardella was married to a female and had children shows that anyone could be involved.

I don’t know enough about Manock to comment much with absolute certainty, unfortunately. There are a lot of rumours and suspicion about him, but the only thing I’ve found that has been verified is that he was never qualified to be in the position he was, and all that resulted from that.
I’ve heard it rumoured that his wife is trans, but I’ve not seen anything to verify it as yet.

My spidey senses tell me that Manock was involved in some of the horrors Adelaide has seen, but to what extent, I’m unsure.

 

[nothing001]

I don’t know enough about Manock to comment much with absolute certainty, unfortunately. There are a lot of rumours and suspicion about him, but the only thing I’ve found that has been verified is that he was never qualified to be in the position he was, and all that resulted from that.
I’ve heard it rumoured that his wife is trans, but I’ve not seen anything to verify it as yet.

My spidey senses tell me that Manock was involved in some of the horrors Adelaide has seen, but to what extent, I’m unsure.

It was verified on a Today Tonight story

4.9K views · 12 reactions | Catch Up: The Adelaide “dominatrix” charged with assault – who’s her high-profile husband? Hendrik Gout reports. www.todaytonightadelaide.com.au #TTAdelaide | Today Tonight Adelaide

Catch Up: The Adelaide “dominatrix” charged with assault – who’s her high-profile husband? Hendrik Gout reports. www.todaytonightadelaide.com.au #TTAdelaide

www.facebook.com

(Part 3.40)

 

[ClarityInChaos]

You don’t believe he was thrown from the bridge, but you wrote that in your book, and read it out on YouTube?

For someone so fixated on speaking about my book, you clearly didn’t read it very well.. I’ll quote for you. “That is the story that’s been told of this case. But what if I were to tell you…..”
If you’re wanting to further critique. Perhaps do more than just brush over the pages

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

For someone so fixated on speaking about my book, you clearly didn’t read it very well.. I’ll quote for you. “That is the story that’s been told of this case. But what if I were to tell you…..”
If you’re wanting to further critique. Perhaps do more than just brush over the pages

out of interest - have you had any interactions with the police or had any informants pass further info to the police regarding the case? Tricky question I understand as the undisclosed nature of many informants might make answering not possible.

 

[ClarityInChaos]

out of interest - have you had any interactions with the police or had any informants pass further info to the police regarding the case? Tricky question I understand as the undisclosed nature of many informants might make answering not possible.

Very good question
I’ve been in communication with the police every time I feel it warranted, but not before telling my sources that I will be doing so. I also encourage them to do the same. The trouble with some areas of the information however, is that sometimes each piece alone isn’t substantial enough to bring to the police, without presenting it alongside other pieces of information too. So I can imagine the police having trouble accepting lots of small pieces and allowing it to amount to something worth following up on.

 

[Zebo]

Very good question
I’ve been in communication with the police every time I feel it warranted, but not before telling my sources that I will be doing so. I also encourage them to do the same. The trouble with some areas of the information however, is that sometimes each piece alone isn’t substantial enough to bring to the police, without presenting it alongside other pieces of information too. So I can imagine the police having trouble accepting lots of small pieces and allowing it to amount to something worth following up on.

Are these 'new' people who did not come forward prior to 1990, and thus did not have their experiences documented by the police prior to this time?

 

[ClarityInChaos]

Are these 'new' people who did not come forward prior to 1990, and thus did not have their experiences documented by the police prior to this time?

Yes. It seems that prior to 1990 police weren’t trying to establish the pattern relating to the ‘pick up, drug, abuse, then release’ side of it all. They were really just going after them as a group of murderers, no doubt because abuse of this nature was even harder to prove back then than it is now. I think that the 9 victims coming forward and then it not going anywhere really discouraged a lot of the other victims from doing the same.

I’ve spoken in depth with some close friends of the deceased victims who were never spoken to by police also. So it seems quite a lot of things weren’t thoroughly investigated, or were simply overlooked when it comes to these cases.

 

[FrankPope]

I found your book interesting. Do you know much of Colin Manock? I am interested in why you say he had no part in the Family because he was in a relationship with a woman and wasn’t gay. I am in no way saying he was or was not involved, but how would he have known that one of the boys was drowned in the home pool of a high profile QC lawyer? (He said it in the interview with Debi Marshall). Also who was the lawyer? He seems to be the only one with knowledge on this.
Regarding him not being gay, he was still involved with the transvestite community (that’s what they were called at the time). His wife, Mistress Gabrielle, is a man transitioned to female. Also the fact that Gino Gambardella was married to a female and had children shows that anyone could be involved.

Looking a photos of her online from an assault case a few years ago. She doesn't look trans. Quite the opposite.

 

[ClarityInChaos]

It was verified on a Today Tonight story

4.9K views · 12 reactions | Catch Up: The Adelaide “dominatrix” charged with assault – who’s her high-profile husband? Hendrik Gout reports. www.todaytonightadelaide.com.au #TTAdelaide | Today Tonight Adelaide

Catch Up: The Adelaide “dominatrix” charged with assault – who’s her high-profile husband? Hendrik Gout reports. www.todaytonightadelaide.com.au #TTAdelaide

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(Part 3.40)

Thank you for sharing this. I’d like to think Today Tonight is more reputable than most other MSM. But I’ve never been one to take things brushed over in a media report as verified information.
In comparison, we can look at the disappearance of Gus Lamont, and how the media have headlined that his grandmother is transgender, when in actual fact, he/she was born both genders.
The media aren’t always truthful, unfortunately.

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

For someone so fixated on speaking about my book, you clearly didn’t read it very well.. I’ll quote for you. “That is the story that’s been told of this case. But what if I were to tell you…..”
If you’re wanting to further critique. Perhaps do more than just brush over the pages

I’m referencing what you chose to read out on your public YouTube page.

I’m asking for a final time - how did you land on Morphett Street bridge section only being 30 centimetres deep? And why bang on about that detail, when it is physically possible to drown in less than 300mls of water?

 

[nothing001]

Looking a photos of her online from an assault case a few years ago. She doesn't look trans. Quite the opposite.

I would strongly have to disagree. The broad shoulders, and facial features of plastic surgery make it known.
Also if you watch the video of her speaking it is quite clear.

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

I would strongly have to disagree. The broad shoulders, and facial features of plastic surgery make it known.
Also if you watch the video of her speaking it is quite clear.

Agreed. Taking longer than a second to look makes it quite apparent.
I also think the mannerisms and movements are still relatively male.

 

[diorama]

Yes. It seems that prior to 1990 police weren’t trying to establish the pattern relating to the ‘pick up, drug, abuse, then release’ side of it all. They were really just going after them as a group of murderers, no doubt because abuse of this nature was even harder to prove back then than it is now. I think that the 9 victims coming forward and then it not going anywhere really discouraged a lot of the other victims from doing the same.

I’ve spoken in depth with some close friends of the deceased victims who were never spoken to by police also. So it seems quite a lot of things weren’t thoroughly investigated, or were simply overlooked when it comes to these cases.

A victim who was going to testify at the 1984 trial suffered a fatal overdose in February that year. Did you speak to any of his friends? And if so, did they offer any insight into whether or not he was known to actually used the drugs he overdosed on?

 

[ClarityInChaos]

A victim who was going to testify at the 1984 trial suffered a fatal overdose in February that year. Did you speak to any of his friends? And if so, did they offer any insight into whether or not he was known to actually used the drugs he overdosed on?

I haven’t, unfortunately. I can certainly create a post to find out if anyone knows anything about this without using his name. Though I do have some sources I’ll reach out to, as they would likely know or have at least crossed paths with him if he were mixed up in the drug scene. If you happen to know the victims name and can send it to me in a private message, it would definitely help.

Just to clarify, I take these sources at their word as they’ve told me many memories they have with other victims. Alan Barnes being one of them. In that while they themselves were dabbling in harder drugs, they distinctly remember Alan knocking them back every time it was offered to him. They remember he’d carry pre-rolled spliffs with him everywhere he’d go. But he didn’t like the harder stuff.
It’s very sad that he was portrayed as a heavy user just because he was friends with some who were.

 

[Tanned]

Yes. It seems that prior to 1990 police weren’t trying to establish the pattern relating to the ‘pick up, drug, abuse, then release’ side of it all. They were really just going after them as a group of murderers, no doubt because abuse of this nature was even harder to prove back then than it is now. I think that the 9 victims coming forward and then it not going anywhere really discouraged a lot of the other victims from doing the same.

I’ve spoken in depth with some close friends of the deceased victims who were never spoken to by police also. So it seems quite a lot of things weren’t thoroughly investigated, or were simply overlooked when it comes to these cases.

The police had to back off and not being seen as harassing the homosexual community after the Duncan drowning.
Political pressure was immense, the whole orthodoxy in Adelaide was upended, with Scotland Yard detectives brought in and the huge controversy of the Pink Files and the Police Commissioner Salisbury being sacked. Unprecedented, and the carnage ensued.

 

[Zebo]

Yes. It seems that prior to 1990 police weren’t trying to establish the pattern relating to the ‘pick up, drug, abuse, then release’ side of it all. They were really just going after them as a group of murderers, no doubt because abuse of this nature was even harder to prove back then than it is now. I think that the 9 victims coming forward and then it not going anywhere really discouraged a lot of the other victims from doing the same.

I’ve spoken in depth with some close friends of the deceased victims who were never spoken to by police also. So it seems quite a lot of things weren’t thoroughly investigated, or were simply overlooked when it comes to these cases.

Thanks. What leads you to conclude that the police weren't trying to establish such a pattern prior to 1990? Also, how do you arrive at a figure of 9 victims coming forward?

 

[ClarityInChaos]

Thanks. What leads you to conclude that the police weren't trying to establish such a pattern prior to 1990?

In most part, the ‘war’ that was going on between gay and straight men at the time. Men and teenage boys were going out of their way to attack gay men at the beats. Any time those cases were followed up by the police they’d be pardoned by saying ‘the guy came on to me’ or ‘he tried to touch me’ etc. The legalisation of homosexuality was still very new, and it was something that as a result of the outrage held over the Duncan drowning, and the public knowledge that it was at the hands of police, it seems officers did their best to ignore anything that could essentially reflect badly on them again in that regard. Not to mention that it was hugely speculated that the victims of the family were also gay (though entirely untrue). So straight boys coming forward stating that they’d been lured in and or assaulted by homosexual men was shrugged off as ‘so you were out trying to assault them and are trying to get away with it’.

Also, how do you arrive at a figure of 9 victims coming forward?

I could be mistaken here, though off the top of my head the number of victims that spoke at the 1990 trial was either 9 or 8.

 

[Cendrillon]

Agreed. Taking longer than a second to look makes it quite apparent.
I also think the mannerisms and movements are still relatively male.

I can confirm that Gabby is 100% (full) post-op trans, she was big on the late 1990's-2000's gay scene and a regular drag performer at Mars and many other gay venues as they popped up over the years. Noting that many trans folk also perform drag, it's not just for gay guys in wigs. She was in a relationship with a guy called Dale for many years (in the 2000's) before marrying her doctor.

 

[ClarityInChaos]

I can confirm that Gabby is 100% (full) post-op trans, she was big on the late 1990's-2000's gay scene and a regular drag performer at Mars and many other gay venues as they popped up over the years. Noting that many trans folk also perform drag, it's not just for gay guys in wigs. She was in a relationship with a guy called Dale for many years (in the 2000's) before marrying her doctor.

I appreciate your comment, though I am curious as to how you’re able to confirm this. Like, through you yourself seeing her there pre-operation? Or something along those lines?
I know that women (those actually born female) have also been performing as drag queens since the 1990’s.

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

I appreciate your comment, though I am curious as to how you’re able to confirm this. Like, through you yourself seeing her there pre-operation? Or something along those lines?
I know that women (those actually born female) have also been performing as drag queens since the 1990’s.

• respects sources anonymity
• expects an anonymous commenter to detail intimate details about their personal life and experiences.

Go away.

 

[ClarityInChaos]

• respects sources anonymity
• expects an anonymous commenter to detail intimate details about their personal life and experiences.

Go away.

At first I’d considered that perhaps you were just having a bad day. Then maybe a bad couple of days. Then possibly a bad week. But as it’s continued to stretch out this far, I’m now at the point where it’s looking far more like this is actually just the way you speak to people. And that in itself is disappointing. Notice how others are able to ask questions and make comments in a respectful manner? And how every one of their comments is in turn answered in a respectful manner? Perhaps it’s time you do a little self reflection. Life feels a whole lot brighter when you go about your day with a positive mindset. Telling someone to go away, for replying to a comment that has nothing to do with you personally, is not it. Not only is it rude. It’s also completely out of context. I never asked for personal details. Much like I never asked to be the target of your ongoing tantrum.
Enough already. Find a more productive way to interact with people.

 

[nothing001]

• respects sources anonymity
• expects an anonymous commenter to detail intimate details about their personal life and experiences.

Go away.

It’s a reasonable question. I don’t see any intimate details being asked for. If they don’t wish to disclose they won’t. I am also interested to confirm that Mistress Gabrielle was previously male (although I already know she definitely was). It will provide some more knowledge into the workings of Colin Manock. It is all relevant

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

At first I’d considered that perhaps you were just having a bad day. Then maybe a bad couple of days. Then possibly a bad week. But as it’s continued to stretch out this far, I’m now at the point where it’s looking far more like this is actually just the way you speak to people. And that in itself is disappointing. Notice how others are able to ask questions and make comments in a respectful manner? And how every one of their comments is in turn answered in a respectful manner? Perhaps it’s time you do a little self reflection. Life feels a whole lot brighter when you go about your day with a positive mindset. Telling someone to go away, for replying to a comment that has nothing to do with you personally, is not it. Not only is it rude. It’s also completely out of context. I never asked for personal details. Much like I never asked to be the target of your ongoing tantrum.
Enough already. Find a more productive way to interact with people.

“Hi, confirm that you know personally that a biologically birthed male now has a vagina in place of their birthed genitals and please detail how you know this”


Respectfully - how did you land on the water beneath Morphett Street bridge being 30 centimetres deep? Respectfully, how did you confuse Clocker for Brian Gant? Respectfully, have you ever walked the banks (or in your words, shore) of the Torrens?

I don’t have a lot of time or patience for you, not after speaking to me from another profile, lying about my access to social media apps, and then setting up some sort of massive sting with BL.

 

[Zebo]

In most part, the ‘war’ that was going on between gay and straight men at the time. Men and teenage boys were going out of their way to attack gay men at the beats. Any time those cases were followed up by the police they’d be pardoned by saying ‘the guy came on to me’ or ‘he tried to touch me’ etc. The legalisation of homosexuality was still very new, and it was something that as a result of the outrage held over the Duncan drowning, and the public knowledge that it was at the hands of police, it seems officers did their best to ignore anything that could essentially reflect badly on them again in that regard. Not to mention that it was hugely speculated that the victims of the family were also gay (though entirely untrue). So straight boys coming forward stating that they’d been lured in and or assaulted by homosexual men was shrugged off as ‘so you were out trying to assault them and are trying to get away with it’.

I could be mistaken here, though off the top of my head the number of victims that spoke at the 1990 trial was either 9 or 8.

Fair comment re the 'gay panic' defence, although its application varied wildly. But the police were actively trying to lure stories of straight guys being picked up by gays. They got very few and, on close analysis, most of them do not hold up as 'pickup, drug, abuse by VE' stories at all. (Not saying a small number weren't 'pickup, drug, abuse' stories - just probably not VE.)

 

[ClarityInChaos]

Fair comment re the 'gay panic' defence, although its application varied wildly. But the police were actively trying to lure stories of straight guys being picked up by gays. They got very few and, on close analysis, most of them do not hold up as 'pickup, drug, abuse by VE' stories at all. (Not saying a small number weren't 'pickup, drug, abuse' stories - just probably not VE.)

I absolutely agree with the close analysis you’ve mentioned here. Ive had well into the hundreds of men reach out to me with their stories explaining their encounter with who they believe was VE. Some of these men were victims, others had clued on and not accepted the lift. Others ran and hid in bushes while ‘VE’ hunted for them. Others were all of 8 years old. Some explained how ‘VE’ had got out the car and chased them on foot. (that’s just a handful of the stories anyway). So while I don’t shrug off any of the experiences that are shared with me, it’s become very easy to work out which are related to VE, and which must have been another predator entirely.