Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FF *Guilty Overturned on Appeal
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FM *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

WT - William Tyrrell
FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Inspector Small]

The receipt puts him in the pharmacy. If the phone activity was the same time as the receipt..... Surely I don't need to spell this out. Either his alibi was verified or it wasn't. Too late to backtrack over this now. SFR don't seem interested in doing so. I guess they accept his story.

A receipt is but one moment of a period lasting 1 hr. After seeing this investigation and the errors, I am afraid I don’t really accept anything without hard evidence.

He could be anywhere in the Lakewood call area including the northerly portion of North Brother which is only 1 km away.

Having video of his vehicle in the car park for 1 hour would put him there without doubt.

 

[winyhill]

A receipt is but one moment of a period lasting 1 hr. After seeing this investigation and the errors, I am afraid I don’t really accept anything without hard evidence.

He could be anywhere in the Lakewood call area including the northerly portion of North Brother which is only 1 km away.

Having video of his vehicle in the car park for 1 hour would put him there without doubt.

But the problem with your post is that the Police do not answer to you and they really don't care whether you accept it or not.
I am not commenting on whether that is fair or not. But that is the way life is.
they have said they verified it and we just have to accept what they say.
Can you give us the actual facts you agree are proven?

 

[Inspector Small]

But the problem with your post is that the Police do not answer to you and they really don't care whether you accept it or not.
I am not commenting on whether that is fair or not. But that is the way life is.
they have said they verified it and we just have to accept what they say.
Can you give us the actual facts you agree are proven?

I am yet to see your copy of a receipt for medication and when exactly that was. Talk big , deliver little.

 

[Inspector Small]

I am yet to see your copy of a receipt for medication and when exactly that was. Talk big , deliver little.

Leave’s Benaroon drive, time uncertain.

Tennis club CCTV time uncertain

Deposit’s prescription. Time unknown.

Cell phone calls in the Lakewood area including North Brother.

Pick up medication time unknown to me.

Heard calling out ‘William’ at 10.40 to 10.45. By AMS.

Can you see how little we actually know.

Are we to trust a bunch of police. Who do the most basic steps so poorly.

Who blamed Bill Spedding.Paul Savage, Dug up a creek and failed to look at the photos properly.

The FF was in the Lakewood area. Where exactly was he. Was in the car park or was he on north brother only 5 minutes away.

 

[winyhill]

I am yet to see your copy of a receipt for medication and when exactly that was. Talk big , deliver little.

Why do you think I would be in possession of that?
I am saying Police have verified it.
I accept their verification.
Can we just move on from that and accept that that the time frame cannot be fitted to your theory.?

 

[Curious Clues]

Why do you think I would be in possession of that?
I am saying Police have verified it.
I accept their verification.
Can we just move on from that and accept that that the time frame cannot be fitted to your theory.?

Why should anyone accept what you say when you continually make up things ONLY YOU believe the police have said?

 

[31550]

Leave’s Benaroon drive, time uncertain.

Tennis club CCTV time uncertain

Deposit’s prescription. Time unknown.

Cell phone calls in the Lakewood area including North Brother.

Pick up medication time unknown to me.

Heard calling out ‘William’ at 10.40 to 10.45. By AMS.

Can you see how little we actually know.

Are we to trust a bunch of police. Who do the most basic steps so poorly.

Who blamed Bill Spedding.Paul Savage, Dug up a creek and failed to look at the photos properly.

The FF was in the Lakewood area. Where exactly was he. Was in the car park or was he on north brother only 5 minutes away.

You are correct that very little of the FF alibi has been confirmed as verified by police publicly.
But I think you might be missing the point.
The point being, FF gave a very detailed and consistent alibi with names, times and places, all of which could potentially have been very easily proven or disproven by police. So if this alibi was invented, then he either extremely bold, or extremely stupid, or both. Why would anyone involved in a crime leave themselves wide open to having their alibi shot down by some detail being disproven when they don't need to.
Contrast this with the FM 'alibi' - which is an inconsistent rambling of activities and events in no particular sequence which cannot possibly ALL be true. This story has evolved and been embellished over time, with cars and people being inserted days or weeks or months later, but does not contain one verifiable event (e.g. a name, time or place) which could be proven to be correct. The ONLY event which might have been proven was the text message from FF, but she deleted it!!!
There is no 'semi-trailer driver' - no identification of the three strange cars, nothing. Her story does not even align with the FGM story. (When did they have breakfast, was FF there or not, when did they ride bikes, make tea, see cars ...).
Which story is 'made up', and which is an actual recollection of events?

 

[winyhill]

Why should anyone accept what you say when you continually make up things ONLY YOU believe the police have said?

I know what Police have said. CBF looking it up for you.
But pray, tell me, why do you think Police are suddenly going to notice you and your opinion?
My take is they are ignoring you.

 

[Curious Clues]

You are correct that very little of the FF alibi has been confirmed as verified by police publicly.
But I think you might be missing the point.
The point being, FF gave a very detailed and consistent alibi with names, times and places, all of which could potentially have been very easily proven or disproven by police. So if this alibi was invented, then he either extremely bold, or extremely stupid, or both. Why would anyone involved in a crime leave themselves wide open to having their alibi shot down by some detail being disproven when they don't need to.
Contrast this with the FM 'alibi' - which is an inconsistent rambling of activities and events in no particular sequence which cannot possibly ALL be true. This story has evolved and been embellished over time, with cars and people being inserted days or weeks or months later, but does not contain one verifiable event (e.g. a name, time or place) which could be proven to be correct. The ONLY event which might have been proven was the text message from FF, but she deleted it!!!
There is no 'semi-trailer driver' - no identification of the three strange cars, nothing. Her story does not even align with the FGM story. (When did they have breakfast, was FF there or not, when did they ride bikes, make tea, see cars ...).
Which story is 'made up', and which is an actual recollection of events?

Let’s not forget the FF’s arrogance and propensity to boldly deceive for his own benefit. There is also a lot of inconsistencies and gaps in the FF’s version of events and timeline that morning. He is happy to talk at length about his ‘alibi’ 90 minutes away from the house, but says hardly anything about his first 3 hours that day. Plus his abnormal behaviour in the hours, days and weeks after William’s disappearance.

 

[Grassy_Knoll]

The MFC was keen to point out he paid cash for the newspapers — because nothing says “rock-solid evidence” quite like a transaction with zero paper trail. It’s the investigative equivalent of saying, “I rang a landline but it was engaged.” Unverifiable, unprovable, and therefore… apparently decisive. Pure hearsay, dressed up as fact.

Would it surprise anyone that the very first time we hear about the alleged MFC text message home in Five is courtesy of FFC — delivered live, in front of none other than Wendy Hudson? Funny how these revelations always seem to debut in such carefully curated company.

This is the same Wendy Hudson who decided who would walk up the fire trail with the MFC, and who thoughtfully sent her two kids along as the NSW POL set of eyes. One might ask why she didn’t also make sure she herself stayed with the MFC on that walk — but perhaps supervision was optional that day.

Then there’s the mystery shopper who allegedly asked for directions to Benaroon Drive. What a coincidence that the interview about that encounter was conducted by Wendy Hudson on 14 September. Are we really meant to believe that, with NSW POL crawling all over Kendall by Sunday, it just happened to be Wendy front and centre again?

And of course, the cherry on top: the shopkeeper couldn’t recall whether the person was male or female, nor even what day it occurred. But somehow, the car colour stuck — grey. Remarkably similar to the MFC’s. Memory is selective like that.

So the obvious question remains: did he ever pick up the newspapers at all, or was the entire exercise simply a convenient way to manufacture a bogeyman? And what if there's no record on the morning of September 12th on FFC's phone records of an incoming text message coming from MFC?

All in my humble opinion.

 

[winyhill]

You are correct that very little of the FF alibi has been confirmed as verified by police publicly.
But I think you might be missing the point.
The point being, FF gave a very detailed and consistent alibi with names, times and places, all of which could potentially have been very easily proven or disproven by police. So if this alibi was invented, then he either extremely bold, or extremely stupid, or both. Why would anyone involved in a crime leave themselves wide open to having their alibi shot down by some detail being disproven when they don't need to.
Contrast this with the FM 'alibi' - which is an inconsistent rambling of activities and events in no particular sequence which cannot possibly ALL be true. This story has evolved and been embellished over time, with cars and people being inserted days or weeks or months later, but does not contain one verifiable event (e.g. a name, time or place) which could be proven to be correct. The ONLY event which might have been proven was the text message from FF, but she deleted it!!!
There is no 'semi-trailer driver' - no identification of the three strange cars, nothing. Her story does not even align with the FGM story. (When did they have breakfast, was FF there or not, when did they ride bikes, make tea, see cars ...).
Which story is 'made up', and which is an actual recollection of events?

But what does this matter? No-one needs to alibi themselves every day.
I think if she was guilty she could easily have arranged an alibi. Made phone calls. Talked to a neighbour etc.
And as for stories not matching, police actually always say that it is normal for people to recollect stressful events differently. Matching stories a red flag.

 

[winyhill]

Let’s not forget the FF’s arrogance and propensity to boldly deceive for his own benefit. There is also a lot of inconsistencies and gaps in the FF’s version of events and timeline that morning. He is happy to talk at length about his ‘alibi’ 90 minutes away from the house, but says hardly anything about his first 3 hours that day. Plus his abnormal behaviour in the hours, days and weeks after William’s disappearance.

But he doesn't answer to you. He has satisfied Police. He doesn’t have to do anything more than that.

 

[Curious Clues]

The MFC was keen to point out he paid cash for the newspapers — because nothing says “rock-solid evidence” quite like a transaction with zero paper trail. It’s the investigative equivalent of saying, “I rang a landline but it was engaged.” Unverifiable, unprovable, and therefore… apparently decisive. Pure hearsay, dressed up as fact.

Would it surprise anyone that the very first time we hear about the alleged MFC text message home in Five is courtesy of FFC — delivered live, in front of none other than Wendy Hudson? Funny how these revelations always seem to debut in such carefully curated company.

This is the same Wendy Hudson who decided who would walk up the fire trail with the MFC, and who thoughtfully sent her two kids along as the NSW POL set of eyes. One might ask why she didn’t also make sure she herself stayed with the MFC on that walk — but perhaps supervision was optional that day.

Then there’s the mystery shopper who allegedly asked for directions to Benaroon Drive. What a coincidence that the interview about that encounter was conducted by Wendy Hudson on 14 September. Are we really meant to believe that, with NSW POL crawling all over Kendall by Sunday, it just happened to be Wendy front and centre again?

And of course, the cherry on top: the shopkeeper couldn’t recall whether the person was male or female, nor even what day it occurred. But somehow, the car colour stuck — grey. Remarkably similar to the MFC’s. Memory is selective like that.

So the obvious question remains: did he ever pick up the newspapers at all, or was the entire exercise simply a convenient way to manufacture a bogeyman? And what if there's no record on the morning of September 12th on FFC's phone records of an incoming text message coming from MFC?

All in my humble opinion.

Hmm interesting.

What do you think of WH not taking note of Michelle White’s arrival and presence at the FGM’s house that whole week?

I find it very strange that she mentions the 2 FACS workers (by name) that came to see the fosters on the Sunday after the disappearance. But no mention of Michelle White anywhere. Why? So weird

 

[Inspector Small]

But he doesn't answer to you. He has satisfied Police. He doesn’t have to do anything more than that.

You could not possibly know what the police think. If you look at the text of his interview regarding his journey, you would hardly be convinced of its clarity or reliability.

Tactics may be responsible for the police statements.

 

[winyhill]

You could not possibly know what the police think. If you look at the text of his interview regarding his journey, you would hardly be convinced of its clarity or reliability.

Tactics may be responsible for the police statements.

Yes, it may just be tactics on the part of the Police. But that would mean they are incredibly clever. I thought you have posted many times about their bumbling and mistakes.

 

[Inspector Small]

Yes, it may just be tactics on the part of the Police. But that would mean they are incredibly clever. I thought you have posted many times about their bumbling and mistakes.

The performance has been extremely poor. Dividing key witnesses is tactics 101. It’s not clever. SOP. The FF is a weak link.

If you have read the FF statement of this journey, he is hardly convincing.

There is also evidence of consciousness of guilt.

 

[LRitz]

You are correct that very little of the FF alibi has been confirmed as verified by police publicly.
But I think you might be missing the point.
The point being, FF gave a very detailed and consistent alibi with names, times and places, all of which could potentially have been very easily proven or disproven by police. So if this alibi was invented, then he either extremely bold, or extremely stupid, or both. Why would anyone involved in a crime leave themselves wide open to having their alibi shot down by some detail being disproven when they don't need to.
Contrast this with the FM 'alibi' - which is an inconsistent rambling of activities and events in no particular sequence which cannot possibly ALL be true. This story has evolved and been embellished over time, with cars and people being inserted days or weeks or months later, but does not contain one verifiable event (e.g. a name, time or place) which could be proven to be correct. The ONLY event which might have been proven was the text message from FF, but she deleted it!!!
There is no 'semi-trailer driver' - no identification of the three strange cars, nothing. Her story does not even align with the FGM story. (When did they have breakfast, was FF there or not, when did they ride bikes, make tea, see cars ...).
Which story is 'made up', and which is an actual recollection of events?

Agree it is very detailed and verifiable alibi. Pings, phone towers, CCTV, receipts.

Even witnesses who can corroborate. (Corroborate, hard word to say,hard word to spell for me).

But it all depends on one thing.

 

[Inspector Small]

Agree it is very detailed and verifiable alibi. Pings, phone towers, CCTV, receipts.

Even witnesses who can corroborate. (Corroborate, hard word to say,hard word to spell for me).

But it all depends on one thing.

He could be on North Brother and still ping as if he is in Lakewood. Refute that if you can. Do we have video of him or his car between 9.40 and 10.20. When did he actually get the receipt.

I am getting information from others about this journey that shows aspects that you believe to be fact may not be.

I have no way of verifying this information as I don’t have the chain of custody. Think of me as someone repeating hearsay.

 

[LRitz]

The MFC was keen to point out he paid cash for the newspapers — because nothing says “rock-solid evidence” quite like a transaction with zero paper trail. It’s the investigative equivalent of saying, “I rang a landline but it was engaged.” Unverifiable, unprovable, and therefore… apparently decisive. Pure hearsay, dressed up as fact.

FF said he spoke to the shop keeper. Something about getting papers specifically for FGM (make sure they know he is son- in -law of FGM). The police must have interviewed the store owner. So this would be "corroborated". FF says $4. Guess this is cash.

Lots of details of mars bars etc. Why add this. This extra information is a waste of time and unnecessary for information in finding William.

I think he did go to the store and get the newspapers.

So Grassy Knoll, the question is why someone with an alibi set in stone, and evidence of exact time of leaving Lakewood, why did he stop to get the papers?

My questions for SFR is when and how long was he in the store. My guess they only ever have an estimate of the time.

 

[Inspector Small]

FF said he spoke to the shop keeper. Something about getting papers specifically for FGM (make sure they know he is son- in -law of FGM). The police must have interviewed the store owner. So this would be "corroborated". FF says $4. Guess this is cash.

Lots of details of mars bars etc. Why add this. This extra information is a waste of time and unnecessary for information in finding William.

I think he did go to the store and get the newspapers.

So Grassy Knoll, the question is why someone with an alibi set in stone, and evidence of exact time of leaving Lakewood, why did he stop to get the papers?

My questions for SFR is when and how long was he in the store. My guess they only ever have an estimate of the time.

Do we even have an independent witness this even happened?

This could be like the FM drive, no witnesses except their own claims.

I think you should only accept verified claims. Treat everything else a possibility that needs to be proven.

 

[Earls Smother]

He could be on North Brother and still ping as if he is in Lakewood. Refute that if you can. Do we have video of him or his car between 9.40 and 10.20. When did he actually get the receipt.

I am getting information from others about this journey that shows aspects that you believe to be fact may not be.

I have no way of verifying this information as I don’t have the chain of custody. Think of me as someone repeating hearsay.

What does it actually matter where he is at this time? The police have accepted that William is still alive until at least 10:10. What is being suggested? That he was preemptively digging a hole to put William's body in?

Your (and the mysterious others) scenario, relies on too many things being altered. The photos have to be fake and the FF has to have lied about many things that are actually verifiable by independent witnesses and hard evidence (CCTV and receipts).

If other people are pulling your strings, then how confident can they be in their information? Perhaps they have had a go previously and been laughed off here?

That would fit with your riddle about what the police "missed" on the deck, in terms of a difference between the photos and the FGM walkthrough. A previous poster was convinced the flowers in the planter box were the solution to the whole case. Because it's not like Spring flowers can vary dramatically with a bit of water and fluctuating amounts of sunlight.

 

[Inspector Small]

What does it actually matter where he is at this time? The police have accepted that William is still alive until at least 10:10. What is being suggested? That he was preemptively digging a hole to put William's body in?

Your (and the mysterious others) scenario, relies on too many things being altered. The photos have to be fake and the FF has to have lied about many things that are actually verifiable by independent witnesses and hard evidence (CCTV and receipts).

If other people are pulling your strings, then how confident can they be in their information? Perhaps they have had a go previously and been laughed off here?

That would fit with your riddle about what the police "missed" on the deck, in terms of a difference between the photos and the FGM walkthrough. A previous poster was convinced the flowers in the planter box were the solution to the whole case. Because it's not like Spring flowers can vary dramatically with a bit of water and fluctuating amounts of sunlight.

Earls, I don’t have blind faith in the Foster Mother.

You are the first Wally of the Where’s Wally competition. Fail. The flowers are different but that is not the definitive proof.

Rather than comment again how about you look carefully. lol.

Have you done that experiment. Do you really believe the light has reflected off the wall, gone through his head and hit his nose. I can’t believe that you really think that. Have a good look again. We are all laughing.

 

[winyhill]

Earls, I don’t have blind faith in the Foster Mother.

You are the first Wally of the Where’s Wally competition. Fail. The flowers are different but that is not the definitive proof.

Rather than comment again how about you look carefully. lol.

Have you done that experiment. Do you really believe the light has reflected off the wall, gone through his head and hit his nose. I can’t believe that you really think that. Have a good look again. We are all laughing.

Somehow all this sounds familiar. Are you sure you are not a reincarnation of a previous poster who was removed?

 

[Inspector Small]

Somehow all this sounds familiar. Are you sure you are not a reincarnation of a previous poster who was removed?

You are getting boring.

If you can’t say anything useful that advances the thread. Say nothing.

I try really hard to discuss evidence but am continually interrupted by your facile comments.

 

[Gia]

As far as the former FF is concerned on his little morning jaunts when WT went missing and if he had been out earlier that morning? what's to say he wasn't out to cover his tracks later? So at least the work meeting, trip to a pharmacy and the shop for whatever he bought there was all verifiable and no one would perhaps suspect him of anything else if he was in fact guilty of other trips that morning?
Just speculating from someone that might have needed to come across as being believable under the circumstances.
I don't really trust either one of them on what really happened, but thats just my feeling about this case and all imo.