Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FF *Guilty Overturned on Appeal
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FM *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

WT - William Tyrrell
FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Lady O]

One of the things that influenced me was a small table inside the kitchen door (via one of the angles) that had what appears to me to be wrapped presents on it. There was an opened present that looked like a teapot. Poor vision as it was. So ?? On interpretation

The other potential clue is drawings of Santa on verandah that might be on expectation of Xmas coming or post Xmas fixation / excitement.

What is clear at least from my perspective is that the number of people there indicated a largish social occasion. I would be looking for that on whatever is the choice. Was it a street Xmas party? Many of the attendees looked on the younger side. Athletic types. The pizza oven is another clue. I haven’t seen it as a fixture anywhere anytime. Didn’t see it in walkthrough on 18th either. Did she hire? Unlikely. Have a guest bring it? Dispose of it?

Does anyone know where the street Xmas party was held and if FPs attended?

Show us these photos you refer to please. Presents, teapot, santa drawings, people in attendance, pizza oven. Thanks.

 

[Inspector Small]

In his video walk through, FF is wearing jeans and a jumper.

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FM is wearing 3/4 sleeved t-shirt and long pants. PO is wearing a jacket and long pants.

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I don't think the attire of FM, FGM, WT or LT on that morning is indicative of the photos having been taken in the winter time.

It seems quite reasonable that it would be cool at 8-9am in the morning.

There not taken in Winter. Look at Williams attire. He rides his bike in sandals, no socks. He has barely got anything on at all.

There are other reasons for the clothing that are possible. Some people are cold frogs. The FM family are from PNG. Hypothyroidism is common. There can be cold days in late spring.

This photo could easily have been taken in mid to late October from a sun point of view. In fact his developmental features suggest he is about two, not three years old.

I don’t think the clothing is relevant.

 

[Jim Cricket]

Show us these photos you refer to please. Presents, teapot, santa drawings, people in attendance, pizza oven. Thanks.

Good luck with them supplying anything that supports anything they say Lady O. They don't believe they need to in a discussion forum nor do they think they need to listen to anyone else. What they both really want is people to worship them, tell them how intelligent they are and give them praise. There's no other reason for them to be here.

I wonder how people would get into that laundry window reflection in a street party?

 

[GraceE]

Show us these photos you refer to please. Presents, teapot, santa drawings, people in attendance, pizza oven. Thanks.

Kids on verandah drawings of Santa. 2 in front of FD. Clear as day. Recent photo post of the kitchen window shows the large black geometrical shape. Please check the photo and enlarge. Takes up most of window. If you want you can go inside with FGM on walk through as i did which will confirm that object is just off the verandah or just on and isn’t an object inside the kitchen.

I’ll need to locate the exact window again for presents and teapot. People I’m afraid I’m not going to post. But I’ve already explained very recently how you can use that kitchen window to find several of the people . How to do it. What you will see.

Did you not read that post ? Went into a fair bit of detail

 

[Inspector Small]

In his video walk through, FF is wearing jeans and a jumper.

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FM is wearing 3/4 sleeved t-shirt and long pants. PO is wearing a jacket and long pants.

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I don't think the attire of FM, FGM, WT or LT on that morning is indicative of the photos having been taken in the winter time.

It seems quite reasonable that it would be cool at 8-9am in the morning.

This is what William was wearing in winter.

This is what the FGM was wearing at 22 degrees

I don’t think we can be sure of the temperature. It’s irrelevant.

 

[GraceE]

My approach Lady O is that I’m happy to talk about photos already posted but I’m not going to post my own library of photos for a number of reasons. I don’t want to pollute the case against FPs on things not posted and the photos are on my now mostly inactive phone and aren’t just click my fingers to access.

I went into to good detail on approach to access the kitchen reflections. It’s not too much to expect people put the effort in to follow what I’ve suggested using the photo posted. It’s there for people to look for proofs. It took me much longer because I didn’t even realise there were people in the dark shaded by that objects reflection. There are. Have a look yourself.

As regards pizza oven. Geometrical shape with a hood. Funnel like a pizza oven. Go over images of pizza ocens to compare. I found a good match

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[Lady O]

Kids on verandah drawings of Santa. 2 in front of FD. Clear as day. Recent photo post of the kitchen window shows the large black geometrical shape. Please check the photo and enlarge. Takes up most of window. If you want you can go inside with FGM on walk through as i did which will confirm that object is just off the verandah or just on and isn’t an object inside the kitchen.

I’ll need to locate the exact window again for presents and teapot. People I’m afraid I’m not going to post. But I’ve already explained very recently how you can use that kitchen window to find several of the people . How to do it. What you will see.

Did you not read that post ? Went into a fair bit of detail

No, that won't work. I need to see what you are seeing. If you have photos with these things in them, kindly post them on here.

 

[Lady O]

This is what William was wearing in winter.

This is what the FGM was wearing at 22 degrees

I don’t think we can be sure of the temperature. It’s irrelevant.

Oh, so it's irrelevant now? I thought the fact they were dressed warmly was your reason for saying the photos were taken in mid winter and photo shopped into the photos of the day WT went missing?? Wasn't that your theory?

 

[GraceE]

Good luck with them supplying anything that supports anything they say Lady O. They don't believe they need to in a discussion forum nor do they think they need to listen to anyone else. What they both really want is people to worship them, tell them how intelligent they are and give them praise. There's no other reason for them to be here.

I wonder how people would get into that laundry window reflection in a street party?

How do you get in a laundry window reflections on a party. theoretically the same way anyone gets in a reflection.

Excellent point.though

The 5 array of photos are split into 2. The first 3 show all the party reflections. The other two are the roar shot and the one same perspective. There are no outward signs of a party per se. The second last one shows the tall woman photo off the verandah. The shadow direction seems the same. In the end I deduced it was same occasion day before, after the party, next day. Don’t know for certain.

That you raise this in the way you did is to me.

No one could have known the split 3 and 2 like I did. So to answer your question it’s uncertain the link other than state of lack of sun and shadow direction. I was very much hoping you would draw this distinction. Yes it was a baited hook

Now I am angry

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[winyhill]

How do you get in a laundry window reflections on a party. theoretically the same way anyone gets in a reflection.

Excellent point.though

The 5 array of photos are split into 2. The first 3 show all the party reflections. The other two are the roar shot and the one same perspective. There are no outward signs of a party per se. The second last one shows the tall woman photo off the verandah. The shadow direction seems the same. In the end I deduced it was same occasion day before, after the party, next day. Don’t know for certain.

That you raise this in the way you did is to me.

No one could have known the split 3 and 2 like I did. So to answer your question it’s uncertain the link other than state of lack of sun and shadow direction. I was very much hoping you would draw this distinction. Yes it was a baited hook

Now I am angry

Conjecture and opinion on case analysis.

Grace, I think what he means is that a street party is held on the street, not at someone's house.

 

[31550]

If he’ll do it. I have no recall of that. has it been discussed here before?

Jubelin described his interview clearing the the fosters prior to the $1M reward being offered as 'grilling'. Having seen some of the transcript, and noting that the entire interview was less than a couple of hours, with breaks, my opinion was that it seemed more of a fondue party than a grilling.
Pretty sure it was preceded by canapes and washed down with a glass or 2 of Chardonnay.

 

[Jim Cricket]

How do you get in a laundry window reflections on a party. theoretically the same way anyone gets in a reflection.

Excellent point.though

The 5 array of photos are split into 2. The first 3 show all the party reflections. The other two are the roar shot and the one same perspective. There are no outward signs of a party per se. The second last one shows the tall woman photo off the verandah. The shadow direction seems the same. In the end I deduced it was same occasion day before, after the party, next day. Don’t know for certain.

That you raise this in the way you did is to me.

No one could have known the split 3 and 2 like I did. So to answer your question it’s uncertain the link other than state of lack of sun and shadow direction. I was very much hoping you would draw this distinction. Yes it was a baited hook

Now I am angry

Conjecture and opinion on case analysis.

Baited hook like that rubbish you said a couple of days ago about me taking the bait LOL. There was no hook or bait, you made that up like everything else. Seems to me it's your new go-to when caught out, 'Oh yeah I deliberately lied to see if someone notices'. You did deliberately lie but it was about there being a hook and bait.

 

[Jaydon12]

Jubelin described his interview clearing the the fosters prior to the $1M reward being offered as 'grilling'. Having seen some of the transcript, and noting that the entire interview was less than a couple of hours, with breaks, my opinion was that it seemed more of a fondue party than a grilling.
Pretty sure it was preceded by canapes and washed down with a glass or 2 of Chardonnay.

Right there in front of him (2016)….. so close Gaz …. so close.
And put them under surveillance just for their drive back home. Like as if they’re not going to know that’s exactly what would be happening LOL

 

[NRL Fan]

Omg. I’ve explained pretty thoroughly. The Feb photos were of a canvas of the the corner view of the ( used in 3 of photos) verandah. I had to find the FM at that exact location in the kitchen window reflection which I ultimately did after severe difficulty. The black object that you think is a tree is a pizza oven. When you lighten it you can make out 4 people on the verandah in the dark. 3 are picking at food (1 standing in front of other) it seems off a table in front of them. The FM is on the other side of table at its end but before back of the pizza oven taking a photo to that corner. What she was photographing no longer exists. I don’t know. She wanted a no sun verandah that she could clone people and objects into. That was it. It existed at one point but was dedicated to the deception and lost its original character.

When you look at this whole deception there are three worlds you need to address. The blank canvas verandah shot used to populate with people and objects. The end result of which we see. The photos from which those objects and people were cloned. I suggest a winter scene. In June ? Who knows. We have no evidence of that apart from. Winter clothed people

The real Occassion from which that canvas shot was taken is the third and in which multiple reflections show the lie. Two real on high balcony corner

If you are genuine and want to be shown the truth. Study that kitchen window reflection thoroughly. lighten it as much as you can. The images of the people on the verandah in the dark then show. you will only get what appears a glowing aura around their body otherwise black still. Don’t understand that photo effect but it’s there and you can make out the people. Off the verandah if you study it in the light there are more people. Most obvious are people standing near top on pizza oven taking to each other. There’s more but becomes increasingly difficult. Don’t want to burden you 3 more you can see. 3 more that MAY be people further away

The two laundry are different reflections perhaps with family and no indication of party though lighting is same. Before, after, next day? Who knows. I think FGF is captured in this with the boy in green clothes ( hard to see you only catch his head and legs the green melds to the washing powder box) again you see FM taking the photo. There is a woman taking photo off the verandah in the other. So others there but not in sight

Two real people are across in high balcony toward far corner talking on that balcony. Beard white clothes , grey clothed other. Men. There is a black line across midriff and a curtain sheer pattern in front of them. You can go to high balcony photos and verity what they are. In doing that verifying they are real people not reflections on that high balcony.

Each time you can make out as the white of the phone or camera which triggers what it is. You get to understand this as you go along

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You forgot to mention what type of pizza they were cooking. Was it supreme or ham and pineapple ?

 

[GraceE]

You forgot to mention what type of pizza they were cooking. Was it supreme or ham and pineapple ?

There were no images of pizza eating. There were however images of those in the dark (you can just make out their outline by aura produced when drastically lightened) in front of the huge dark object i determine to be a pizza oven. The funnel gives it away. Several of the people appear to be picking at food on what I surmise is a table down centre of verandah more toward steps. You can’t see the food. But they stand at the table at one point one behind the other.( so human form overlaips).So yes food is being eaten or served in the reflections . Down lower more difficult to discern were the tops of what I perceive were children,(2) also loitering near the table. You may initially struggle to identify them. I did .

I’ve spent several thousand hours studying these images in total gradually uncovering piece by piece the story they tell. The detail I’ve uncovered is hard earned I assure you. Initially I just wanted to identify the object within the kitchen. When it wasn’t there I realised it was a reflection off the verandah. That story is there for everyone to see. I give detail to cut by 90% the efforts required so you don’t have to devote the scrutiny I did In that gradual process. The choice to drastically lighten the image was pure luck. I had no expectation of finding anything but I did. Because they are closer to the window in the end the aura outline becomes more persuasive than those off the verandah in the light. Though You can’t see the clothes detail the aura shadow is unmistakenly human forms

If instead you aren’t interested in making an effort to see part of the proofs then you’ll have to wait for the Coroner and SFR. I’ve indicated how to see these once. Here and now. I haven’t had multiple people look like the roar shot and given it’s now end stage probably won’t. Forensic professionals are better equipped and skilled to scrutinise than me. Having had the roar shot reports I’d imagine they’ve crawled all over these photos to scrutinise every crevice. These would be easy finds I feel.

 

[GraceE]

Baited hook like that rubbish you said a couple of days ago about me taking the bait LOL. There was no hook or bait, you made that up like everything else. Seems to me it's your new go-to when caught out, 'Oh yeah I deliberately lied to see if someone notices'. You did deliberately lie but it was about there being a hook and bait.

When the net finally falls there will be some like me cheering and ecstatic and others will endure permanent change for the worse. Both FPs are going to be charged in my opinion and will go to jail on those initial charges. 14 years !!!!! Homocide waiting in the wings

Imagine the horrible existence since 2014 having an axe permanently stationed over your head. Constantly pushing media cover up. Constantly riddled with anxiety. Having to deal with people like me picking at your freedom………throwing fuel on the embers of a destroyed marriage. Constantly hoping the ordeal comes to an end. All because they didn’t have the temperament to refrain hands around neck of a CHILD. What dog puts his hands around the neck of a CHILD??? Shall we ask the FD? She might have some clues.

I’m going to enjoy their endless misery


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[Kurve]

No, that won't work. I need to see what you are seeing. If you have photos with these things in them, kindly post them on here.

GraceE this is a fair request

 

[Kurve]

Any of you in here holding what you believe is evidence and refer to it as through discussions, should post it rather than provoke others with the suggestion you've got it but won't share.

Thanks - Kurve

 

[Inspector Small]

Oh, so it's irrelevant now? I thought the fact they were dressed warmly was your reason for saying the photos were taken in mid winter and photo shopped into the photos of the day WT went missing?? Wasn't that your theory?

What are you talking about? I have never said that.

 

[Lady O]

What are you talking about? I have never said that.

Yeah, all this talk about sun times and solstice and the people's images reflected in the windows, and parties and all the various wild theories, I can't be bothered to ready all this rubbish. Finding it very tedious.

 

[LRitz]

There's two pieces of the puzzle that are in the FM version of events on September 12th that I've never fully understood. They're never really talked about much on forums such as this

1. The cut on her hand, she claimed it was caused by slipping over on the grass with William.
2. Claims to have heard a high pitched scream whilst out looking for him.

Why was their a need to show her injured hand to her mum?

Did those 2 events happen, but in a different context or narrative, what are others thoughts?

Only two?

3. Why did FF get the papers at the Kendall store?
His had an alibi at Lakewood to about 10:18 when he picked up the medication with a receipt. Then add the time it takes to drive back to Benaroon, approximately 10 minutes. So he would not have been possible to be back to Benaroon until about 10:30. This is after the alleged time William went missing. So, IMO, the visit to the store does not add to FF's alibi.

 

[winyhill]

If instead you aren’t interested in making an effort to see part of the proofs then you’ll have to wait for the Coroner and SFR.

You were going to update after you spoke to Insp Laidlaw, remember? We are still waiting. I think you have not spoken to him at all, instead speaking to another member of the team who took your details down and said "thank you". Am I right?

Forensic professionals are better equipped and skilled to scrutinise than me. Having had the roar shot reports I’d imagine they’ve crawled all over these photos to scrutinise every crevice. These would be easy finds I feel.

That is true, so why haven't they found anything?

Both FPs are going to be charged in my opinion and will go to jail on those initial charges. 14 years !!!!! Homocide waiting in the wings

Homicide? That is a big stretch from where the Police thinking was, about covering up an accidental fall.
Are you now saying you have evidence of homicide?

IMO, there is zero doubt the coroner will return a finding of:
1. William most likely deceased, on 12th Sep 2014, or very soon after.
2. Place of death - unknown
3. Manner of death - unknown
4. Persons responsible if not accidental death - unknown.

The report will also be critical of the Police investigation.

 

[31550]

Only two?

The entire timeline at least between 9.30 and 10.55 requires thorough anlaysis in my opinion.
I have never seen SFR or Craddock describe publicly what they believe to be the actual sequence of events:
Who was where exactly? What vehicles and people came and went from Benaroon? Even down to what time William actually 'disappeared'. (Was it ~10am or ~10.30am? for example).
I don't even know how SFR can rock up to a coronial inquest without this.
Are they playing some cunning waiting game, or are they totally clueless? Because they are the only two possibilities I can see.
Craddock made a half-assed attempt at the timeline in the early stages of the Inquest (talking about cups of tea etc.) and was quickly shut down. No direct evidence has been presented (publicly) and accepted as definitive proof of the timeline.
There are dozens of loose ends and unanswered questions.

Three different lead investigators. 12 years. No timeline.

 

[Inspector Small]

The entire timeline at least between 9.30 and 10.55 requires thorough anlaysis in my opinion.
I have never seen SFR or Craddock describe publicly what they believe to be the actual sequence of events:
Who was where exactly? What vehicles and people came and went from Benaroon? Even down to what time William actually 'disappeared'. (Was it ~10am or ~10.30am? for example).
I don't even know how SFR can rock up to a coronial inquest without this.
Are they playing some cunning waiting game, or are they totally clueless? Because they are the only two possibilities I can see.
Craddock made a half-assed attempt at the timeline in the early stages of the Inquest (talking about cups of tea etc.) and was quickly shut down. No direct evidence has been presented (publicly) and accepted as definitive proof of the timeline.
There are dozens of loose ends and unanswered questions.

Three different lead investigators. 12 years. No timeline.

I don’t think they had a timeline that made sense.

The cups of tea is a direct reference to the FM statement from 2016. Reading between the lines, Craddock brings it up because her statement is not plausible.

I am not sure you can infer what Craddock believes. He is not there to prosecute a defendant. He was there to illicit a response in order to clarify.

 

[GraceE]

You were going to update after you spoke to Insp Laidlaw, remember? We are still waiting. I think you have not spoken to him at all, instead speaking to another member of the team who took your details down and said "thank you". Am I right?

That is true, so why haven't they found anything?

Homicide? That is a big stretch from where the Police thinking was, about covering up an accidental fall.
Are you now saying you have evidence of homicide?

IMO, there is zero doubt the coroner will return a finding of:
1. William most likely deceased, on 12th Sep 2014, or very soon after.
2. Place of death - unknown
3. Manner of death - unknown
4. Persons responsible if not accidental death - unknown.

The report will also be critical of the Police investigation.

We will see then when they announce outcomes I guess. It will be enlightening I suspect…… and a little unexpected

It comes back to what SFR have to prove 9.37 is wrong despite your claim you have zero doubt. Unconvinced. If they can prove that then the FPs being the sole authors of that then known falsity will be directly under focus more than is currently indicated. In fact charges will be raised because there can be only one reason for this being false……….to promote an alibi. More, with known falsity of 9.37 if that can be proven by SFR it very much proves the crime of perverting the course of justice

Sec 319. A person who does any act or makes any omission, intending in any way to pervert the course of justice is liable to imprisonment for 14 years.

I would welcome any plausible explanation where 9.37 and photos were falsified accidentally by authors who presented them as true.

So very much ALL hinges on SFR proofs in that window despite your apparent conviction you know what will be outcome. You don’t

The fact that 319 has an “intent” means it can’t be accidental. Accident will be the only way to be protected and excluded.

So let’s examine that prospect with a hypothetical. They edit 9.37 EXIF. They substitute prior photo. They do multiple steps to clone and manipulate the final photo array. They submit it as accurate. There is ZERO chance that any of that could in any way be accidental. That being the case on that hypothesis the crime is proven.