Training 2019 Training - pics, reports etc

[Coona Blues]

I'm all for having the year we had to have but FFS.....can it for once be at the other end of the ladder.

Hope there is a realisation I was referring to the playing list, not the club or supporters.

 

[murphster]

McGovern and Pickett currently trying to work their guts out...

Don’t you mean off

 

[JustaBattler]

Kids develop different aspects of their physical and mental self at different times - Carlton essentially has been playing kids who should have been developed in VFL for a couple or more years before being introduced to the rigours of AFL and it has shown in performances and capabilities.

If SOJ can get around the ground at average AFL speed and endurance levels - he will be a player because he has a footie brain - well suited to be a genuine utility player - Carlton doesn't have enough of these.

People will get a shock when they see some players who have gained size and endurance all of a sudden better able to execute on the basics and halve or win contests and the compounding effect that this will have on team competitiveness. Unfortunately one of the many costs of a full rebuild is that it takes time to see and when it does - BANG.

 

[murphster]

with more than half of the list not believing it was their job to do the hard defensive yards.

This is a statistical fact, our only 2 games last year where our defensive running yards where higher than our offensive running yards was our 2 wins. If you look at the whole of the AFL the team that runs harder defensively wins at least 95% of games so it’s no surprise then that we only won 2 games. Defensive running is the best indicator of work rate and team work, we need to lift that side of our game enormously, hopefully the extra running we are doing under Russell will translate into better and more cohesive defensive running.

 

[TooBlue14]

The four big bodies need to all have something elite that puts them above their competitors. We all know what Cripps has and we can see what JSOS and setterfield are building towards. What does Kennedy have?

Cripps - elite clearance numbers and contested possessions. No one can out mark him. Weakness is his average pace across the ground. This will improve under Russell.

JSOS - the football brain and great with his hands to find space. Weakness is his speed and body size but these are improving every session. Russell tiring him into a josh Kennedy before our very eyes.

Kennedy - I haven’t really seen enough of him but he can stick a tackle and has strength through the legs and core mich like Cripps but more a Cripps lite. Weakness is his injuries that haven’t allowed him to build up. The 30 possession game in the Vfl Is something I’d like him to get to regularly at AFL level. Needs to get to more contests like a Tom Mitchell.

Setterfield - side step and elite on both feet. Weakness is obviously the injury. It’ll take until late 2019 before we see some continuity in his game and I expect to see more of a omeara 2017 season maybe 2018. Should be showing us his elite characteristics by 2020/21.

So what do we have with these 4.
Elite handballer/Vision in 2-3
Elite endurance building in one
Elite kick on both feet in 1
Elite contested possessions/clearances in 2 building in 2
Great speed in 1 (where we lack but do we need speed on the inside, we have speed of mind)
Elite marking in 1 (maybe 2 I expect JSOS to start to beat more opponents)

This 4 is going to be special. And I can see is being able to play all 4 at once. Resting 1 on the bench and 1 forward or back. They all have flexibility.

 

[ForYouBlue]

Bounce Down
52 days 01 hour 25 minutes 17

17 injuries ?

 

[Weiterbot23]

The four big bodies need to all have something elite that puts them above their competitors. We all know what Cripps has and we can see what JSOS and setterfield are building towards. What does Kennedy have?

Cripps - elite clearance numbers and contested possessions. No one can out mark him. Weakness is his average pace across the ground. This will improve under Russell.

JSOS - the football brain and great with his hands to find space. Weakness is his speed and body size but these are improving every session. Russell tiring him into a josh Kennedy before our very eyes.

Kennedy - I haven’t really seen enough of him but he can stick a tackle and has strength through the legs and core mich like Cripps but more a Cripps lite. Weakness is his injuries that haven’t allowed him to build up. The 30 possession game in the Vfl Is something I’d like him to get to regularly at AFL level. Needs to get to more contests like a Tom Mitchell.

Setterfield - side step and elite on both feet. Weakness is obviously the injury. It’ll take until late 2019 before we see some continuity in his game and I expect to see more of a omeara 2017 season maybe 2018. Should be showing us his elite characteristics by 2020/21.

So what do we have with these 4.
Elite handballer/Vision in 2-3
Elite endurance building in one
Elite kick on both feet in 1
Elite contested possessions/clearances in 2 building in 2
Great speed in 1 (where we lack but do we need speed on the inside, we have speed of mind)
Elite marking in 1 (maybe 2 I expect JSOS to start to beat more opponents)

This 4 is going to be special. And I can see is being able to play all 4 at once. Resting 1 on the bench and 1 forward or back. They all have flexibility.

I reckon Kennedy will have above average strength but overall just a good all rounder

I reckon he is a taller, slightly faster McLean.

 

[sosos]

Kennedy's strength is his selflessness, applying shepherds and blocks. Team mates will love having him in the side.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I reckon Kennedy will have above average strength but overall just a good all rounder

I reckon he is a taller, slightly faster McLean.

If everyone else comes on, he may end up becoming a De Goey type forward by necessity.

Cripps, Fisher, SPS, Setterfield, Dow, Walsh, O'Brien, Stocker.

Silvagni as a floating defender who rotates on-ball and Kennedy as a pseudo-power forward rotating on-ball.

 

[Jeremias]

If everyone else comes on, he may end up becoming a De Goey type forward by necessity.

Reckon he's more like Caddy than De Goey.

But regardless Kennedy can play forward and I expect to see a bit more of it in 2019 than we did in his first year at the club.

 

[3rd Grade Maggy]

This is a statistical fact, our only 2 games last year where our defensive running yards where higher than our offensive running yards was our 2 wins. If you look at the whole of the AFL the team that runs harder defensively wins at least 95% of games so it’s no surprise then that we only won 2 games. Defensive running is the best indicator of work rate and team work, we need to lift that side of our game enormously, hopefully the extra running we are doing under Russell will translate into better and more cohesive defensive running.

That's a really interesting and depressing stat.

 

[Soapy V]

The four big bodies need to all have something elite that puts them above their competitors. We all know what Cripps has and we can see what JSOS and setterfield are building towards. What does Kennedy have?

Cripps - elite clearance numbers and contested possessions. No one can out mark him. Weakness is his average pace across the ground. This will improve under Russell.

JSOS - the football brain and great with his hands to find space. Weakness is his speed and body size but these are improving every session. Russell tiring him into a josh Kennedy before our very eyes.

Kennedy - I haven’t really seen enough of him but he can stick a tackle and has strength through the legs and core mich like Cripps but more a Cripps lite. Weakness is his injuries that haven’t allowed him to build up. The 30 possession game in the Vfl Is something I’d like him to get to regularly at AFL level. Needs to get to more contests like a Tom Mitchell.

Setterfield - side step and elite on both feet. Weakness is obviously the injury. It’ll take until late 2019 before we see some continuity in his game and I expect to see more of a omeara 2017 season maybe 2018. Should be showing us his elite characteristics by 2020/21.

So what do we have with these 4.
Elite handballer/Vision in 2-3
Elite endurance building in one
Elite kick on both feet in 1
Elite contested possessions/clearances in 2 building in 2
Great speed in 1 (where we lack but do we need speed on the inside, we have speed of mind)
Elite marking in 1 (maybe 2 I expect JSOS to start to beat more opponents)

This 4 is going to be special. And I can see is being able to play all 4 at once. Resting 1 on the bench and 1 forward or back. They all have flexibility.

I have said it before but the most interesting thing to watch this year is how we balance the side and get the best out of it.

So many quality options now. Balancing it all out will be as important as anything

I see Kennedy a FT mid. Real Bull.

Playing Setterfield off HB this wouldn't be a bad idea. Tough and can run and is an elite user. Let him settle into the game

I'm looking forward to seeing Setterfield Kennedy Walsh Dow Stocker SPS Fisher all up and running and pushing through the midfield

 

[Aphrodite]

Some good news ...

Gov and Setterfield should be back in full training next week and all the other recruits have been training well all pre-season!

 

[JustaBattler]

I have said it before but the most interesting thing to watch this year is how we MONGREL the side UP and get the best out of it.

So many quality options now. MONGRELLING it UP all out will be as important as anything

I see Kennedy a MONGREL mid. Real Bull.

Playing Setterfield off HB this wouldn't be a bad idea. Tough and can run and is an elite user. Let him settle into the game and MONGREL UP

I'm looking forward to seeing these players MONGREL UP Setterfield Kennedy Walsh Dow Stocker SPS Fisher all up and running and pushing through the midfield

EFA

 

[Soapy V]

EFA

That's a lot of Mongrel

 

[Robbo's my hero]

Some good news ...

Fine journalist. A member of the Canberra Press Gallery. And obviously a bluebagger.

 

[FoeverBlues]

Kids develop different aspects of their physical and mental self at different times - Carlton essentially has been playing kids who should have been developed in VFL for a couple or more years before being introduced to the rigours of AFL and it has shown in performances and capabilities.

If SOJ can get around the ground at average AFL speed and endurance levels - he will be a player because he has a footie brain - well suited to be a genuine utility player - Carlton doesn't have enough of these.

People will get a shock when they see some players who have gained size and endurance all of a sudden better able to execute on the basics and halve or win contests and the compounding effect that this will have on team competitiveness. Unfortunately one of the many costs of a full rebuild is that it takes time to see and when it does - BANG.

The Big BANG theory

 

[JustaBattler]

That's a lot of Mongrel

You just cant have enough mongrel - you know it Soapy

 

[murphster]

That's a really interesting and depressing stat.

Not really depressing as it points the way forward for us and with the extra pre-season and the Russell affect we should be able to really improve our two way running. The extra bodies we will have going through the middle will help to relieve the pressure. With the addition of Walsh, a great two way runner, Setterfield, Stocker, Williamson, Cunningham, Newman we will have a lot more running relief to change with which will keep us fresher for longer. Better to know your problem than not.

 

[Windhover]

This is a statistical fact, our only 2 games last year where our defensive running yards where higher than our offensive running yards was our 2 wins. If you look at the whole of the AFL the team that runs harder defensively wins at least 95% of games so it’s no surprise then that we only won 2 games. Defensive running is the best indicator of work rate and team work, we need to lift that side of our game enormously, hopefully the extra running we are doing under Russell will translate into better and more cohesive defensive running.

Do you have a source for the fact? I find it surprising and counter-intuitive, and therefore very interesting if true.

Counter-intuitive as there were some games we had so little of the ball I would be surprised we even had the time to do much in the way of offensive running yards. And they weren't the games we won.

 

[Metalcrusher]

Most attacks in some form or another come from the defensive third. Even from ball up clearances at centre square stoppages, the ball is often gained then fed back to the distributor at the back of the square or by the running HBF'ers that sweep through the wing area (circa Hawthorn for example). This is one reason that Doc is so missed in our line up.

 

[Laphroaig]

I would say the JSOS is the most dangerous of the 5 up forward so I think he will play as a forward who gives the other 4 a chop out as an inside mid (which will still see him playing close to 40% of his game time on ball).

I doubt we will ever see him getting 30 touches but hopefully we should get something like a cross between Shiels and Breust.

It's OK to not get much of the ball as a medium forward.

IF you are a clinical finisher.

Two of the players you named are.

 

[Laphroaig]

If everyone else comes on, he may end up becoming a De Goey type forward by necessity.

It isn't necessity that makes a De Goey type forward. It's ridiculous talent.

I am looking forward to seeing the Kennedy have a proper run at it, but ridiculous talent he does not have. Nor is there the slightest shred of evidence to suggest that he can play tall.

 

[TerryWallet]

Fine journalist. A member of the Canberra Press Gallery. And obviously a bluebagger.

Elliott Goblet's brother.

Dunno which one is more deadpan.

 

[murphster]

Do you have a source for the fact? I find it surprising and counter-intuitive, and therefore very interesting if true.

Counter-intuitive as there were some games we had so little of the ball I would be surprised we even had the time to do much in the way of offensive running yards. And they weren't the games we won.

Yeah I check the Telstra tracker after and during games to see how individuals and the team in general are going, among other things it lists defensive running as well as offensive running for the whole team as well as for individuals.

This is covered for every game and so I actually went through them and noticed the fact that the team with greater defensive running numbers usually won the game in fact it is probably higher than the 95% I quoted.

I actually found it interesting as well and am still trying to get my head around it. However I am only going off there figures which unfortunately you can’t pull up now on the afl app for last year. Will see if I can find them elsewhere.