Bill Shorten - how long?

[Frank Bunn]

Completely ignoring the massive catch up in infrastructure under way....providing many well paid jobs. Paid for by population surge.....but helping to curtail the negative effects of population surge

The catch up on infrastructure is only necessary because of the population surge. The high immigration levels are set Federally without any mandate or real discussion.

Daniel Andrews would never speak against the massive population increase in Melbourne because his government rakes in the stamp duty and extra GST distributions that balance his budget and makes him look fiscally responsible. It creates well paid jobs in the public sector yet private sector wages have stagnated because the high immigration has created an imbalance of people looking for work.

There is a limit to how much infrastructure can catch up. It has become unviable for most people to drive into the city during the week. You can keep building roads on the outskirts but the bottleneck expands. Same with public transport. The Regional Rail Link is only about 3 years old and already way over capacity.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

ALP just dropped 3 points PV in Newspoll.

LNP gained 2 and One Nation gained 1.

Question for Bill and Labor is will they continue being relatively brave thinking the election is a fait accompli, or will they start to shit themselves and engage in the race to the bottom.

Does Bill have the nuts for it? Or will he bend?

 

[Hawk Dork]

ALP just dropped 3 points PV in Newspoll.

LNP gained 2 and One Nation gained 1.

Question for Bill and Labor is will they continue being relatively brave thinking the election is a fait accompli, or will they start to shit themselves and engage in the race to the bottom.

Does Bill have the nuts for it? Or will he bend?

I think Australians are ready for a change and its not going to take much to take enough seats of this government to win.
Really its not worth being in power if you arent going to make the big decisions on tax the environment health and education

 

[sherb]

Really its not worth being in power if you arent going to make the big decisions on tax the environment health and education

Yep, the decisions the current mob are making are now motivated by self-preservation.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

ALP just dropped 3 points PV in Newspoll.

LNP gained 2 and One Nation gained 1.

Question for Bill and Labor is will they continue being relatively brave thinking the election is a fait accompli, or will they start to shit themselves and engage in the race to the bottom.

Does Bill have the nuts for it? Or will he bend?

It would be a 20 seat slaughter on the latest figures....so what is your question?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

ALP just dropped 3 points PV in Newspoll.

LNP gained 2 and One Nation gained 1.

Question for Bill and Labor is will they continue being relatively brave thinking the election is a fait accompli, or will they start to shit themselves and engage in the race to the bottom.

Does Bill have the nuts for it? Or will he bend?

2PP is a far more important metric.

And in answer to your question, yes, I believe Bill does have the nuts for it. Doesn’t strike me at all as someone given to panic.

 

[Rob R]

ALP just dropped 3 points PV in Newspoll.

LNP gained 2 and One Nation gained 1.

Question for Bill and Labor is will they continue being relatively brave thinking the election is a fait accompli, or will they start to shit themselves and engage in the race to the bottom.

Does Bill have the nuts for it? Or will he bend?

The real question is which LNP member will do something stupid this week to kill any momentum they start to get

 

[sherb]

Good work Bill.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01...3BxgyfeLwVP0JNNr1nOxysuUO3eIkoAzFX--43m-3Fb0E

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Good work Bill.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01...3BxgyfeLwVP0JNNr1nOxysuUO3eIkoAzFX--43m-3Fb0E

Turnbull still giving it to Murdoch

 

[Pessimistic]

The catch up on infrastructure is only necessary because of the population surge. The high immigration levels are set Federally without any mandate or real discussion.

Daniel Andrews would never speak against the massive population increase in Melbourne because his government rakes in the stamp duty and extra GST distributions that balance his budget and makes him look fiscally responsible. It creates well paid jobs in the public sector yet private sector wages have stagnated because the high immigration has created an imbalance of people looking for work.

There is a limit to how much infrastructure can catch up. It has become unviable for most people to drive into the city during the week. You can keep building roads on the outskirts but the bottleneck expands. Same with public transport. The Regional Rail Link is only about 3 years old and already way over capacity.

I guess we agree then. Andrews govt is a lot closer to addressing the issues than predecessors or other states. Govts don’t have the option of saying ‘it’s all too hard’

 

[Bunk Moreland]

2PP is a far more important metric.

And in answer to your question, yes, I believe Bill does have the nuts for it. Doesn’t strike me at all as someone given to panic.

Hopefully you’re right. I think he has more than a hint of poll reactive-ness about him, stretching back to the first Rudd and Gillard govt.

He seems to have more or less played a straight game to date here, hopefully he continues.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

ALP just dropped 3 points PV in Newspoll.

LNP gained 2 and One Nation gained 1.

Question for Bill and Labor is will they continue being relatively brave thinking the election is a fait accompli, or will they start to shit themselves and engage in the race to the bottom.

Does Bill have the nuts for it? Or will he bend?

There was a 2 point change in the 2PP, which is within the margin of error. The ALP still have a 6 point gap.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Hopefully you’re right. I think he has more than a hint of poll reactive-ness about him, stretching back to the first Rudd and Gillard govt.

He seems to have more or less played a straight game to date here, hopefully he continues.

If we go by the Vic election, the polls will narrow and there's always a risk of pollsters gating their data, scared of predicting too large of a margin.

But the ALP are good organisers and one thing you can expect with so many resignations and so much discontent within the LNP, is a poorly coordinated ground game. That's the one place Bill excels. Very personable, loves the campaign train and really embraces the grind. Good chance they could outperform their polling if it narrows further.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

If we go by the Vic election, the polls will narrow and there's always a risk of pollsters gating their data, scared of predicting too large of a margin.

But the ALP are good organisers and one thing you can expect with so many resignations and so much discontent within the LNP, is a poorly coordinated ground game. That's the one place Bill excels. Very personable, loves the campaign train and really embraces the grind. Good chance they could outperform their polling if it narrows further.

I’m not sure he’s that personable, but by and large I agree with your post.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I’m not sure he’s that personable, but by and large I agree with your post.

A person I know who met the person in question says the person in question is very personable in person.

(There might have been a more economical way of saying that.)

 

[Hawk Dork]

Bowen on ABC radio after an angry SFR rings up to complain

They are entitled to vote against us at the next election...lol
Great response, no great concerns from losing too many retired shareholding millionaires votes.

Retirees angry about franking refunds are 'perfectly entitled to vote against us': Chris Bowen
Mr Bowen said the system in which people who pay no or little tax but receive a tax refund was neither fair nor sustainable.

Speaking on the ABC on Wednesday, Mr Bowen, in response to a complaint from a listener that he would be $5000 a year worse off, Mr Bowen was unapologetic.
"I say to your listeners, if they feel very strongly about this, if they fee that ths is something which should impact on their vote, they are of course perfectly entitled to vote against us," he said.

"What we're doing is reforming unsustainable, unfair concessions and loopholes in the system. We make no apology for that, it's the right policy," Mr Bowen said.

"It's necessary to invest more in schools and hospitals, to deliver bigger personal income tax cuts (than the government)."

"We make all those commitments and we provide bigger budget surpluses."

https://www.afr.com/news/politics/r...o-vote-against-us-chris-bowen-20190130-h1amug

 

[GreyCrow]

A bit tone deaf

 

[Sainteric]

A bit tone deaf

Maybe self funded retirees probably, and Bowen would be well aware of it are probably 80% lib voters. So whilst it might seem tone deaf it probably shores up the vote from alp and possibly green voters who like to see the more well off bashed a bit.

 

[Sainteric]

Bill shorten is running at 35% he trails Sco mo by almost 10 points. Seriously can't stand Sco mo yet he is ahead.

Is Bill the most disliked untrustworthy presumptive PM we have ever had?

 

[Hawk Dork]

Bill shorten is running at 35% he trails Sco mo by almost 10 points. Seriously can't stand Sco mo yet he is ahead.

Is Bill the most disliked untrustworthy presumptive PM we have ever had?

and Malcolm was more popular the n Sco Mo

 

[Baltimore Jack]

and Malcolm was more popular the n Sco Mo

and Beasley was far more popular than Howard

Preferred PM is a Media con trick

 

[TimmeT]

and Beasley was far more popular than Howard

Preferred PM is a Media con trick

Was he? Wasn't him trailing Howard the reason Rudd challenged?

 

[Hawk Dork]

Was he? Wasn't him trailing Howard the reason Rudd challenged?

The "never ever" GST election

 

[Sainteric]

and Beasley was far more popular than Howard

Preferred PM is a Media con trick

Beasley won the vote 1st time around 2nd time he was knifed by Rudd and Gillard before he got a chance. If it was the 1st time the preferred leader reflects preferred pm.

 

[Lebbo73]

About two inches