Robbo's top 50

[Juddernaut08]

In the real world, mate. The one where the Bulldogs were caught short up forward with Stringer traded, Jack Redpath injured and neither Boyd nor Schache stepping up. They were forced to use Bont at CHF and full forward. Bont was named in a key forward post in 13 of his 19 matches and split his time between there and stints in the midfield.

Do you watch any games besides Essendon?

2018/ Bontempelli
R01 - GWS - Ruck rover
R02 - WCE - Full forward
R03 - Ess - CHF
R04 - Syd - CHF
R05 - Freo - CHF
R06 - Carl - CHF
R07 - G.C. - out injured
R08 - Bris - CHF
R09 - Adel - Centre
R10 - Coll - Centre
R11 - Melb - Full forward
R12 - bye
R13 - Port - Full forward
R14 - N.M - Centre
R15 - Geel - Centre
R16 - Haw - Centre
R17 - Melb - out injured
R18 - WCE - out injured
R19 - Port - Full forward
R20 - St K - Full forward
R21 - N.M - Full forward
R22 - Carl - Full forward
R23 - Rich - Full forward

If the Bulldogs can find a KPF, settle Bont full time in the centre and win a few games, I reckon he can win a Brownlow
Sadly for them, team balance & team needs has meant they haven't had that luxury.

I think you'll find he rotates around, both forward and mid. He's what we hope Setterfield can become (he's got a long way to go).

Bont's ideal position, imo is HFF. Tall enough to outmark his opponent between 40-70 metres out. Deadly enough with his kick to find his target and setup teammates.

 

[Young Gun #6]

Lol at people actually justifying some of these picks from their clubs like Lambert.

How Macrae is 35th and Bont, Sidebottom, Cotchin etc are that far above him is borderline a joke.

Neale, M.Crouch, Heeney missing give me a spell.


Daniher just stop it

 

[Back One Out]

I think you'll find he rotates around, both forward and mid. He's what we hope Setterfield can become (he's got a long way to go).

Yeah, that's more or less what I said in my initial post about Tex Walker's omission and the balance of forwards in Robbo's Top 50. I qualified my inclusion of Bont, DeGoey and Curnow as KPFs by saying that they were versatile types who are used quite often by their teams in the key forward post, but good enough to play anywhere & up the ground.

Bont's ideal position, imo is HFF. Tall enough to outmark his opponent between 40-70 metres out. Deadly enough with his kick to find his target and setup teammates.

Agreed. That's almost the modern day CHF position though, isn't it?

 

[davywap]

I am going to spew unless someone can give me a bloody idea how Tom Mitchell did not make this list!!!

The list is like a prediction of this year's top 50 players. With Mitchell likely to miss a good chunk of this season, it would be unlikely he'd be in the top 50 players for the whole year. Fully fit he'd have to be top 10.

 

[Lsta062]

He's a real tough one. On one hand - yeah, he looks vanilla, doesn't do much that makes the highlights.
On the other hand - doesn't do much wrong. Does a hell of a lot exactly right.

There's a bit of a thought amongst Richmond fans that he's not quite as good as some peole say. We all love the story - not drafted, VFL for years, bounced around on pre-season lists, finally gets and takes chance etc, etc -. Not unique, though. Most clubs have one or two.

But - on the other hand again - in the last two B&Fs he's finished 3rd (premiership year) and 2nd (minor premiership year). The club seem to think a lot of him.

I think he’s important and I agree with his top 50 rating. It’s easy to just look at the names you don’t know and say “Nah he’s crap” but I think Lambert’s rating is justified. He’s been very impactful for us as you said and finished in the top 3 of our B&F during quite successful years. He’s also rated 49th in the AFL Players rating and I personally believe it is for a reason.

 

[davywap]

Well Ben Cunnington is a lot better than Neale, so he is the real WTF.

Ben is actually knocking on the door of the top 10 if he goes on from last year, so to not make the 50...

 

[davywap]

No Ben Cunnington is an absolute disgrace. He’d be top 20 if he played for the Pies or Dons.

Wtf is Dyson Heppell doing in this list?

Robbo likes the Bummers

 

[davywap]

Why did your mum not make the list?

 

[Frank Gallagher]

So, who has Robbo's assistant come up with this year?

 

[OniAu]

Stopped reading at Oliver

 

[ADL9798]

Going by those B&F stats you posted, it appears as though Taylor Walker's ceiling is 5th best player at Adelaide.
(5th in B&F in 2012, 2015, 2016, 2016, injured: 2013-14, 2018)

There are 18 clubs. 18 multiplied by 5 equals 90. That would make Tex a candidate for the AFL's Top 100 players. Not the Top 50.

Even if we get on board with the Crows in 2019 and say they're a Top 4 club (12th in 2018), their 5th best player would still only be on the cusp of Top 50, at best... Hardly controversial to leave him out. From the looks of Robbo's 'honourable mentions/stiff to miss" list, he rated Walker at no.63.

Flawed logic. Are all B&Fs equal?

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Lol at people actually justifying some of these picks from their clubs like Lambert.

How Macrae is 35th and Bont, Sidebottom, Cotchin etc are that far above him is borderline a joke.

Neale, M.Crouch, Heeney missing give me a spell.

Daniher just stop it

The Daniher one was hilarious... is he even in the top 200 players?

 

[The King!]

The Daniher one was hilarious... is he even in the top 200 players?

In his family maybe

 

[The King!]

No Ben Cunnington is an absolute disgrace. He’d be top 20 if he played for the Pies or Dons.

Wtf is Dyson Heppell doing in this list?

Think Cunnington would have way more ability at the pies or dons?

 

[dean33]

If Rance is number 4 or 5, Mason Cox should be top 3 given the way he has embarrassed him in the past.

Who drops out of the top 5 for Rance?

Obviously not Martin, so then you're left with Fyfe, Danger, Cripps and Franklin.

Surely you're having a laugh...

Seems like I’m not alone fadge....

•Garry Lyon
Dustin Martin (Richmond)
Lance Franklin (Sydney)
Patrick Dangerfield (Geelong)
Alex Rance (Richmond)
Max Gawn (Melbourne)
Patrick Cripps (Carlton)
Clayton Oliver (Melbourne)
Jack Riewoldt (Richmond)
Nat Fyfe (Fremantle)
Brodie Grundy (Collingwood)

•Tim Watson
Lance Franklin (Sydney)
Dustin Martin (Richmond)
Alex Rance (Richmond)
Nat Fyfe (Fremantle)
Jeremy McGovern (West Coast)
Patrick Cripps (Carlton)
Patrick Dangerfield (Geelong)
Marcus Bontempelli (Western Bulldogs)
Clayton Oliver (Melbourne)
Max Gawn (Melbourne)

 

[kaiserchief13]

Imo, Shuey is easily top 50.

Sheed not so though.

Weagles as premiers deserve plenty of players in the top 50.

The problem with Shuey is he doesn't get enough cheap stats to inflate his numbers. How many uncontested marks has he taken in his career?

 

[adammania9]

Except he isn’t lol.

Lambert made it. Treloar and Adams didn’t. If you didn’t care about Robbo’s list you wouldn’t be in here paying attention to it.

I never mentioned Treloar nor Adams. It seems your Collingwood obsession has taken over completely. It must suck to support an inferior club, ay?

 

[WilloTree]

Zorko
Andrews
Curnow
Lambert
Daniher
Parker

All picked ahead of Shuey? He obviously totally forgot about Shuey.

Shuey should be in.

Overall, not a bad list. Maybe Coniglio, Brown and Brayshaw a bit low. Hawkins and Sicily a bit high.

Lord knows how Lambert made the list.

 

[Zoom]

I never mentioned Treloar nor Adams. It seems your Collingwood obsession has taken over completely. It must suck to support an inferior club, ay?

2/10. Collingwood fans are so boring lol.

 

[Zoom]

If my parents abused me when I was younger I’d probably resort to shit trolling on Bigfooty too

Disgraceful comment.

 

[Virgin Dog]

True, but why people put any stock in JLT performances year after year I'll never know. Sam Lloyd is looking great and I wish him well at his new club, but I'm expecting him to revert to being a fringe standard player pretty soon.

If we're going to use Lloyd as an example, Crozier was very good for us in JLT last year after we acquired him, and he continued that form to be one of our best and most consistent all year. JLT form for a team is fairly meaningless, but for individuals it's a fairly good indicator of upcoming form

 

[PetterdHoisted]

What a great story Kane Lambert is, near best player in the premier/minor premier sides over the last two years and Robbo just finds space which is fair enough.

but you can see from this thread how significant an impediment it is to not have 'Draft Pedigree'.

You can distill most of the Lambert comments here down to:
Young player X cost us 2 top 10 draft picks ergo >> pick 46 Rookie draft mature ager on extreme non-traditional career path

Lazy, lazy thinking.

 

[Magpie Monopoly]

If that post was meant to convince me that Treloar and Adams are better than Lambert then it failed miserably. Like I said, anyone who matters has Lambert ahead at this stage:

Umpires - Lambert wins
AA selectors - Lambert wins
Coaches - Lambert wins
Media - Lambert wins
B&F results - Lambert wins
Premierships - Lambert wins

Crying about Lambert making this list won’t make Treloar and Adams better players. People who know a lot more about football than you and I have Lambert ahead. You’ve got some BigFooty nuffys having your back though so I guess you can take solace in that.

Mate, a couple things to point out:

You made this about Adams and Treloar vs. Lambert with arbitrary opinions stated as facts. Treloar has more Brownlow votes, receives more votes per game, has finished significantly higher than Lambert ever has (4th) yet you keep making statements like "Umpires prefer Lambert". Don't get offended when people disagree with your opinion when it has a flawed basis.

"He is a premiership player", no one rates this argument and no one ever has. The same argument was made about any criticism of Tom Boyd post 2016, and it still sucks. Lambert finished how high in the Gary Ayres Medal in Richmond's Premiership year? I can tell you, not top 20 in the comp. Adams finished 3rd this year, so again, the suggestion "coaches don't rate him" is flawed.

Finally, I'm not sure why every Richmond supporter feels the need to take subjective views on their players as personal attacks on their characters. It's largely why Richmond supporters have such a negative reputation on Bigfooty. I recommend you spend a little less time on the Richmond Board, a place where even 10 minutes of reading is enough to give oppo supporters multiple aneurysms, and a bit more time listening to other supported opinions, it's usually a pretty good litmus test for if a player is overrated internally. Exhibit A, right on queue:

What a great story Kane Lambert is, near best player in the premier/minor premier sides over the last two years and Robbo just finds space which is fair enough.

but you can see from this thread how significant an impediment it is to not have 'Draft Pedigree'.

You can distill most of the Lambert comments here down to:
Young player X cost us 2 top 10 draft picks ergo >> pick 46 Rookie draft mature ager on extreme non-traditional career path

Lazy, lazy thinking.

 

[Sprout]

What a great story Kane Lambert is, near best player in the premier/minor premier sides over the last two years and Robbo just finds space which is fair enough.

but you can see from this thread how significant an impediment it is to not have 'Draft Pedigree'.

You can distill most of the Lambert comments here down to:
Young player X cost us 2 top 10 draft picks ergo >> pick 46 Rookie draft mature ager on extreme non-traditional career path

Lazy, lazy thinking.

It’s also lazy, not to mention precious, to assume that people don’t rate Lambert because he wasn’t a high draft pick. Sicily was pick 56. I don’t see too many disputing his gun status or his place on the list.

 

[tony__montana]

If my parents abused me when I was younger I’d probably resort to shit trolling on Bigfooty too

The irony... You’re one of the biggest shit trolls on here