Preview RND 1 - Carlton v Richmond - Thursday 21st March 7:20PM @ MCG - Team Post #1412

[LanceRomance]

It has to be pressure acts, is there somewhere I can find JLT pressure act stats?

He kind of reminds me of Ben Sinclair for the pies.

Goes off like a frog in a sock but a little all Over the place

Plus the coaches really seemed to Like him

 

[Coona Blues]

we don't vo rogue good.......

Scotch and Dry may be a more appropriate reference in this forum, but only a couple old enough to relate.

on reflection maybe Reckless has some relevance.
Maiden until 6 or 7 (can't quite remember and too lazy to check) then went bang Sydney, Adelaide, Brisbane Cups before running second to
Gold and Black in the big dance that is the Melbourne Cup. (Whoops on the last bit unless that relates to this year only)

 

[Opine]

And then kick it out of bounds on the full??

True.

 

[jezzajay]

JLT 1: 15 disposals - 3 tackles - 5 clearances - 3 goals
JLT 2: 14 disposals - 4 tackles - 2 goals

Is David Cuningham in the mix to play Round 1?

You thinking fantasy footy?

 

[Macca43]

Polson did a lot right last year, not sure he did enough in the JLT though. Think the last two spots in the forward line are out of Polson, Gibbons and Fasolo. I don't think any other forwards are much of a chance at the moment. Silvagni only a slight chance as a forward.

Garlett plays for mine, he's a part of the back 7 at the moment, I don't think we have any other defenders fit and pushing real hard to shift him or any of the others out just yet. We're fine for talls, Schumacher hasn't done enough yet, O'Brien is not a defender, Docherty is out, Williamson and Marchbank are a little while away as is Macreadie.

I think the midfield is set. Silvagni, O'Brien and Kennedy are the other options in reserve and I don't think they push any of those 8 out. Stocker is still a bit raw and Lang is a while away. That midfield worked all right in the JLT. It will be good to see it gain some continuity.

7 forwards, 7 defenders and 8 midfielders sounds a good structure that I think we will go with. Obviously have a few who will play part time in other positions to get the rotations right but everyone will have their main area of the ground that they play.

Defenders
Jones Weitering Plowman Simpson Thomas Garlett Newman

Forwards
Curnow McGovern McKay Cuningham Gibbons Fasolo

Midfield
Phillips Cripps SPS Murphy Curnow Walsh Fisher Dow

Structure is one of the areas where I think we have improved a lot as well as built a little more quality depth in the side.

I think Silvagni comes in for Gibbons in that side

 

[HBF]

Would love to be able to make it on Thursday night, but logistically it's just not going to happen.

 

[Benaly28]

Over 56,000 members a record for a team who won 2 games last year,imagine when we come good!

 

[jj1978]

Drop Dow??

He's having many bouts of the fumbles of late... sure 1 or 2 good passages but he needs to work on his one touch and cleaning up possession a bit and I think the slower pace of the VFL will allow him more confidence to get these things cleaned up easier.

 

[bigm386]

JLT 1: 15 disposals - 3 tackles - 5 clearances - 3 goals
JLT 2: 14 disposals - 4 tackles - 2 goals

Is David Cuningham in the mix to play Round 1?

No reason he shouldn't be coach praised him and he fills a role we lack

 

[F_therest]

I think Silvagni comes in for Gibbons in that side

Problem with jsos is I think we become too top heavy...hes got lots of great attributed but he ain't quick.

Especially against Richmond we'll need a team with decent speed.

We already have curnow, McKay and mcgov up front and Cripps resting there at times. Can we really have jsos as well? Fas also in the mix but is a medium forward.

Would leave all the smalls pressure being dumped on polson and Cunners but even Cunners rotates through the middle.

We may need gibbons and polson for now purely structurally to provide pressure and hopefully get some crumbs.

 

[HARKER]

Problem with jsos is I think we become too top heavy...hes got lots of great attributed but he ain't quick.

Especially against Richmond we'll need a team with decent speed.

We already have curnow, McKay and mcgov up front and Cripps resting there at times. Can we really have jsos as well? Fas also in the mix but is a medium forward.

Would leave all the smalls pressure being dumped on polson and Cunners but even Cunners rotates through the middle.

We may need gibbons and polson for now purely structurally to provide pressure and hopefully get some crumbs.

Way too top heavy. Am I imagining things or have we gone just a little over the top on JSilvagni, since Sunday?

 

[Arr0w]

ps: huge lob fan but need to be placated with regard to cam_po................placate me at once, ffs.............

Polson will hold his spot....all year

 

[CJMB]

He's having many bouts of the fumbles of late... sure 1 or 2 good passages but he needs to work on his one touch and cleaning up possession a bit and I think the slower pace of the VFL will allow him more confidence to get these things cleaned up easier.

Not a fan of this call. Also worth keeping in mind that NBs first real game isn't until mid April...

 

[Doro]

Polson will hold his spot....all year

That would be a huge result for Polson, starting in the relegation zone with plenty to do to earn/keep his spot. Have preferred his work without the ball to his work with it to date.

 

[Macca43]

Problem with jsos is I think we become too top heavy...hes got lots of great attributed but he ain't quick.

Especially against Richmond we'll need a team with decent speed.

We already have curnow, McKay and mcgov up front and Cripps resting there at times. Can we really have jsos as well? Fas also in the mix but is a medium forward.

Would leave all the smalls pressure being dumped on polson and Cunners but even Cunners rotates through the middle.

We may need gibbons and polson for now purely structurally to provide pressure and hopefully get some crumbs.

Gibbons had 6 touches and 5 tackles on the weekend and didn't hit the scoreboard at all. The week before he had 9 touches, 2 tackles and 3 goals while Silvagni had 7, 4 & 1.

I don't see anything in Gibbons that screams pick me. Silvagni gives us a bit more versatility, we can cover a "lack of speed" by rotating SPS, Fisher, Dow & Murphy through the forward line and if you aren't going to reward a 23 touch, 8 clearance, 16 tackle and 1 goal game when there are clear spots up for grabs when are you?

 

[Macca43]

Way too top heavy. Am I imagining things or have we gone just a little over the top on JSilvagni, since Sunday?

I simply haven't been impressed by Gibbons in the JLT.

 

[F_therest]

Gibbons had 6 touches and 5 tackles on the weekend and didn't hit the scoreboard at all. The week before he had 9 touches, 2 tackles and 3 goals while Silvagni had 7, 4 & 1.

I don't see anything in Gibbons that screams pick me. Silvagni gives us a bit more versatility, we can cover a "lack of speed" by rotating SPS, Fisher, Dow & Murphy through the forward line and if you aren't going to reward a 23 touch, 8 clearance, 16 tackle and 1 goal game when there are clear spots up for grabs when are you?

Well he got those stats playing as an inside mid...if anything he could dislodge setterfield for this game if setters is needing a rest and be eased into the season. He looked a bit gassed in the last quarter Vs collingwood and it wasn't a full intensity game.

Gibbons plays a completely different role to jsos.

No, gibbons isn't demanding to be picked right now, but unfortunately we don't have much quality in terms of small forwards and not sure if replacing him with jsos would be a consideration right now given how top heavy we would be.

 

[F_therest]

That would be a huge result for Polson, starting in the relegation zone with plenty to do to earn/keep his spot. Have preferred his work without the ball to his work with it to date.

If we are honest he's lucky he doesn't have much competition for his role on the list.

Can't just be a purely pressure forward technically anyone with some speed could do that...he needs to start getting dangerous and hitting the scoreboard or setting up goals for our forward line to be more versatile and kick bigger scores.

Gibbons, lebois an injured Pickett and a previously injured Cunners is virtually no competition.

Hopefully he can lift this year otherwise we need to replace him and find a Willie rioli, Josh Thomas, McDonald tipingwudi, Dan Butler type next off season....guys who pressure but also actually kick goals.

 

[james Dean]

Over 56,000 members a record for a team who won 2 games last year,imagine when we come good!

My maths says that if when we go 25-0 this year we will have 700,000 members next year.

 

[Soapy V]

I simply haven't been impressed by Gibbons in the JLT.

First game good, quiet in second. IMO playing out of position.

Still think Murphy is our best small option as is Thomas. I'd consider one with Cuningham. Play Gibbons around the ball

 

[HARKER]

If we are honest he's lucky he doesn't have much competition for his role on the list.

Can't just be a purely pressure forward technically anyone with some speed could do that...he needs to start getting dangerous and hitting the scoreboard or setting up goals for our forward line to be more versatile and kick bigger scores.

Gibbons, lebois an injured Pickett and a previously injured Cunners is virtually no competition.

Hopefully he can lift this year otherwise we need to replace him and find a Willie rioli, Josh Thomas, McDonald tipingwudi, Dan Butler type next off season....guys who pressure but also actually kick goals.

That would be being honest, but we heard from our coaches already that they have been 'trying' to find small forwards.
What that means is that we haven't any and will somehow have to make do.
Not sure how we could have found ourselves in this spot. Were we really relying on LeBois to come up?

 

[Macca43]

Well he got those stats playing as an inside mid...if anything he could dislodge setterfield for this game if setters is needing a rest and be eased into the season. He looked a bit gassed in the last quarter Vs collingwood and it wasn't a full intensity game.

Gibbons plays a completely different role to jsos.

No, gibbons isn't demanding to be picked right now, but unfortunately we don't have much quality in terms of small forwards and not sure if replacing him with jsos would be a consideration right now given how top heavy we would be.

JSOS isn't exactly massive and I would rather be a little top heavy than play a small forward who has no impact.

Setterfiled isn't going out of the side, he has more than 9 days to recover from the Collingwood game. I am also tipping a few of the boys went into that game on the back of some fairly significant training loads.

 

[Opine]

I simply haven't been impressed by Gibbons in the JLT.

He played very well in JLT 1.

 

[Macca43]

First game good, quiet in second. IMO playing out of position.

Still think Murphy is our best small option as is Thomas. I'd consider one with Cuningham. Play Gibbons around the ball

I agree he is playing out of position, but if we are going to pick another onballer who can also go forward I would go with JSOS, who can also go back if necessary and has shown decent form.

As i said above, if we roll Murphy, Dow, SPS, Fisher, Cuningham & Ed through the forward line we can afford to go a little taller in Jack than Gibbons.

 

[gbatman]

Small forwards aren't always consistent and Gibbons is a midfielder from the VFL who is learning to play as an AFL small forward with a bunch of guys he's never played with before in a new team.

20-30 goals plus pressure acts from a small forward is really good. Gibbons finished the JLT averaging 1.5 goals and I thought his pressure was alright which is on par with good small forwards.

The club seem to think he has the qualities to play that role and I do to. He's quick in small spaces, clean hands, good reflexes and he seems to kick straight for goal and his general leg speed is fairly decent too. Added to that he should be able to go through the midfield for bursts as well but he may need an AFL preseason under his belt first.

I think we just need to let him settle in and we will be rewarded. If he consistently applies good pressure and averages around that 1-1.5 goals per game then that's a win for us. Doesn't have to kick goals every week but hopefully does the other stuff.

I hope Fasolo plays as well. I have no issues with Polson playing AFL or VFL but at this stage I think he needs to play some VFL and get his numbers up.

Silvagni is probably close to playing. I like his positioning at stoppages, I think he positions well defensively and applies pressure and tackles well. Good numbers in the VFL but I think VFL onballers who want to seriously break into the AFL side probably need to at least crack that magic 30 possession mark. I know he goes forward as well but I'd like to see him tick these boxes first.