Preview Round 3, 2019: Fremantle v St.Kilda - Optus Stadium, Sunday 7th April, 3:20PM AWST

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Kent is not a great overhead mark , but we new this when we got him , we got him because the guy is a great defensive forward who can kick goals and is a massive upgrade on Weller.
The team is settled after the first 2 games I doubt they will make any changes.
After Greshams first game a lot of people were saying why Gresham played so poorly , then he comes out in the second game and Reiwoldt calls him the best player in the team , so really lets give Kent a bit of time , he is the type of player we need in the forward line.

The club did, but I did not, hence my harsh judgment of him earlier on

 

[gringo2011]

Kent is not a great overhead mark , but we new this when we got him , we got him because the guy is a great defensive forward who can kick goals and is a massive upgrade on Weller.
The team is settled after the first 2 games I doubt they will make any changes.
After Greshams first game a lot of people were saying why Gresham played so poorly , then he comes out in the second game and Reiwoldt calls him the best player in the team , so really lets give Kent a bit of time , he is the type of player we need in the forward line.

It's funny because before Rooey I said the same thing on here. It's on his body of work not two games. After the JLT I wasn't sure he was going to make it as a mid but last week he did it all. He was always our most promising player and he's on the cusp of definitely being our best....especially with Stuv out of the centre.

 

[Premium]

There is no correlation at all this year between hits outs wins and clearances. We won the last time we played Melbourne in spite of billy. I can’t believe people are happy to change a forward set up just to play a guy who only real asset is to hit the ball and get in the way

And max rucked against Stanley last week who is similar to Marshall. How did the 6 6 6 rule work in that game?

Longer Marshall debate goes two ways , you want a guy who is a good tap ruck man or you want a guy who marks and picks up touches around the field.
Longers best year was 2017 where he had 38.6 hit outs a game , 1.6 marks and 9 disposals a game.
Just comparing Marshalls one game this year 21 hit outs, 5 marks and 14 disposals. (game high 13 contested possessions) you would still go with Marshall and the guy will only get better after only playing 14 games in his career so far.

We know Longer and Pierce are currently better tap ruckmen , but they have to show something else to make a case for selection - goals , marking or something.

 

[plugger66]

Longer Marshall debate goes two ways , you want a guy who is a good tap ruck man or you want a guy who marks and picks up touches around the field.
Longers best year was 2017 where he had 38.6 hit outs a game , 1.6 marks and 9 disposals a game.
Just comparing Marshalls one game this year 21 hit outs, 5 marks and 14 disposals. (game high 13 contested possessions) you would still go with Marshall and the guy will only get better after only playing 14 games in his career so far.

We know Longer and Pierce are currently better tap ruckmen , but they have to show something else to make a case for selection - goals , marking or something.

I don't want Longer to ruck but if he does I don't want Marshall in the side. Nothing against him but I think we het better value from only playing 2 marking forwards and 5 smaller or medium forwards. Obviously one on the bench. Still say hitting the ball in the ruck has little correlation between winning and losing. Well certainly after 18 games this year.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Longer Marshall debate goes two ways , you want a guy who is a good tap ruck man or you want a guy who marks and picks up touches around the field.
Longers best year was 2017 where he had 38.6 hit outs a game , 1.6 marks and 9 disposals a game.
Just comparing Marshalls one game this year 21 hit outs, 5 marks and 14 disposals. (game high 13 contested possessions) you would still go with Marshall and the guy will only get better after only playing 14 games in his career so far.

We know Longer and Pierce are currently better tap ruckmen , but they have to show something else to make a case for selection - goals , marking or something.

I though we were done with this debate when Hickey moved west.
Unfortunately, it’s now worse...Longer vs Marshall vs Pierce with special mentions to Bruce and Wilkie

 

[Premium]

The club didn't, but I did not, hence my harsh judgment of him earlier on

the Thing is is his attack on the ball and he crumbs goals , with him in the forward line he will always pick up a goal a game which is his average.
If he doesn't live up to expectations we have a lot of options.

 

[pebblesofsand]

3.2 marks a game over his career shows that Kent's problem ATM is that he gets to more marking positions than other players on (or previously on) our list.

 

[SaintJunior]

Sometimes possessions lie. Austin get a heap of uncontested marks and posssaions when we chipped around the defensive fifty. But in the contest he has been poor in the two games I have seen him play. He came with a reputation of being a great supplier and not offering anything in offence. He has gone two far the other way needs to get back to basics and beat his man.

White is the other one got. A bit of the ball and was tough and courageous but is beaten way to easily on the lead. Sam Dunnell has theee shots in a quarter last week beating White on the lead luckily he missed all three shots. The other thing with White is the fact hat he is consideed a good kick. He looks good technically but he just kicks it as long as he can most of the time to a contest. Numerous times on the weekend he ignored a short pass that was on only to turn the ball over.Needs to improve his decision making and composure as he has some traits that should mean he can be a good AFL player.

 

[Jaxsons]

Paul Roos saying Fyfe doesn't work hard enough... Thanks Paul Roos thanks a lot.

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[cooperrules]

Sometimes possessions lie. Austin get a heap of uncontested marks and posssaions when we chipped around the defensive fifty. But in the contest he has been poor in the two games I have seen him play. He came with a reputation of being a great supplier and not offering anything in offence. He has gone two far the other way needs to get back to basics and beat his man.

White is the other one got. A bit of the ball and was tough and courageous but is beaten way to easily on the lead. Sam Dunnell has theee shots in a quarter last week beating White on the lead luckily he missed all three shots. The other thing with White is the fact hat he is consideed a good kick. He looks good technically but he just kicks it as long as he can most of the time to a contest. Numerous times on the weekend he ignored a short pass that was on only to turn the ball over.Needs to improve his decision making and composure as he has some traits that should mean he can be a good AFL player.

White could be one of those llayers who goes up a level when promoted. Looked pretty comfortable everytime he played seniors. Cant be any worse than mackenzie. Same defensive attributes. Taller cleaner better mark. Can kick the footy.

Imo hes miles ahead of dmac.

 

[sammm]

Longer available this week. Interesting to see if he comes back in. Personally would love to see Marshall left there. He’s so good around the ground.

vfl first for a few games before he will be thought of in afl

 

[Sir Skid]

I sent him your comment. he was happy you approved of his game.

Happy Kent!

 

[lewdogs]

As far as I'm concerned our first ruck is set in stone and until Billy can bang the door down in the VFL he shouldn't get a look in.

The thing that Marshall does is that we can sit him a kick behind or in front of play and he provides a genuine intercept or marking target. We ruck Bruce in the forward line and Marshall sits back and impacts the next kick if it is cleared. He is also a good get-out option from defence (anyone notice how much easier we moved the ball out of defence last week?).

Until Billy can impact play by marking the ball he should not be near the side in my opinion.

 

[VDS66]

White could be one of those llayers who goes up a level when promoted. Looked pretty comfortable everytime he played seniors. Cant be any worse than mackenzie. Same defensive attributes. Taller cleaner better mark. Can kick the footy.

Imo hes miles ahead of dmac.

Yeah let's gift him games in the hope that he comes good.

Sends a great message to the other players.

Have a look at Dmacs disposal efficiency.

And we have Wlkie come in and play like a 150 game vet.

White needs to lift his game at Sandy if he's serious IMO.

 

[Premium]

White could be one of those llayers who goes up a level when promoted. Looked pretty comfortable everytime he played seniors. Cant be any worse than mackenzie. Same defensive attributes. Taller cleaner better mark. Can kick the footy.

Imo hes miles ahead of dmac.

People have there favorites , however we have to respect who they select in the side , DMac is most probably in the side because he had a very good preseason even winning the team time trial and showing more in match sim.

 

[Premium]

As far as I'm concerned our first ruck is set in stone and until Billy can bang the door down in the VFL he shouldn't get a look in.

The thing that Marshall does is that we can sit him a kick behind or in front of play and he provides a genuine intercept or marking target. We ruck Bruce in the forward line and Marshall sits back and impacts the next kick if it is cleared. He is also a good get-out option from defence (anyone notice how much easier we moved the ball out of defence last week?).

Until Billy can impact play by marking the ball he should not be near the side in my opinion.

Billy knows this is his last roll of the dice , so lets hope he can turn into Max Gawn

 

[lewdogs]

White could be one of those llayers who goes up a level when promoted. Looked pretty comfortable everytime he played seniors. Cant be any worse than mackenzie. Same defensive attributes. Taller cleaner better mark. Can kick the footy.

Imo hes miles ahead of dmac.

White is miles ahead of Dmac? Are you joking? Dmac has him covered by the Flemington straight as well as lapped (which he probably actually did to him in the time trial).

 

[Sir Skid]

As far as I'm concerned our first ruck is set in stone and until Billy can bang the door down in the VFL he shouldn't get a look in.

The thing that Marshall does is that we can sit him a kick behind or in front of play and he provides a genuine intercept or marking target. We ruck Bruce in the forward line and Marshall sits back and impacts the next kick if it is cleared. He is also a good get-out option from defence (anyone notice how much easier we moved the ball out of defence last week?).

Until Billy can impact play by marking the ball he should not be near the side in my opinion.

^^^THIS^^^

#marshallnumber1ruck

 

[VDS66]

Billy knows this is his last roll of the dice , so lets hope he can turn into Max Gawn

The nearest Billy will ever come to being like Max is if he shaves his head and grows a beard...

 

[mightymalaka]

White is miles ahead of Dmac? Are you joking? Dmac has him covered by the Flemington straight as well as lapped (which he probably actually did to him in the time trial).

lol
Nice!....It's true though, as talented as White is the onus is on him to lift his rating to get back into the side or risk having his AFL career
Flushed down the toilet come years end! For all of Dmac's limitations, one thing you do know with him is he will give his heart and soul for the team!

 

[Premium]

White is miles ahead of Dmac? Are you joking? Dmac has him covered by the Flemington straight as well as lapped (which he probably actually did to him in the time trial).

The thing is he most probably copped a rocket and now he thinks the world is against him , read on here that while Richardson is coach he doesn't have a chance because he doesn't like him, absolute joke - if he is playing good football he plays.
The guy is a very skilled footballer and we all want him to come good.
I really thought he was in front of McKenzie however he hasn't showed it on the track by the sounds of it , he doesn't have to win a time trial he just has to show improvement and the club would have everything in the GPS data.

 

[VDS66]

lol
Nice!....It's true though, as talented as White is the onus is on him to lift his rating to get back into the side or risk having his AFL career
Flushed down the toilet come years end! For all of Dmac's limitations, one thing you do know with him is he will give his heart and soul for the team!

History is littered with players like White who don't make it.

Sippa was a classic example. Booming kick etc that came to nought.

Spencer White another, for different reasons.

 

[mightymalaka]

History is littered with players like White who don't make it.

Sippa was a classic example. Booming kick etc that came to nought.

Spencer White another, for different reasons.

This is also true! At the risk of starting yet another Richo shitfight though, i must say i thought Sippa had turned the corner and imo
Should have been persevered with!

 

[lewdogs]

The thing is he most probably copped a rocket and now he thinks the world is against him , read on here that while Richardson is coach he doesn't have a chance because he doesn't like him, absolute joke - if he is playing good football he plays.
The guy is a very skilled footballer and we all want him to come good.
I really thought he was in front of McKenzie however he hasn't showed it on the track by the sounds of it , he doesn't have to win a time trial he just has to show improvement and the club would have everything in the GPS data.

Daniel MacKenzie's career was looking in trouble up until that GC game last year. Since then he has become an integral part of our side. People suggest on here he might be dropped, I genuinely think he'd be one of the first picked in the side, as evidenced by the fact that he played round 1 despite missing the JLT games. He is a hard player, very reliable and extremely fit, and he can shut down players one on one. Very good mark. He is the type of player you need if you want to be a good side. He only played a handful of games last year but rocketed into the top 10 best and fairest.

I have always liked White but the idea that the coach doesn't like him is silly to me. If he was good enough he'd play, and he has played in the past, but the fact that we signed a rookie that has already overtaken him for a spot (Wilkie), and that Darragh Joyce is ahead of him too as well as probably Hind, I think it's going to be tough for him to make it from here but I hope for his sake he can improve.

The idea that he's better than DMac though is farcical. DMac is a guy that we will come to rate more and more as we improve. Won't rack up the possessions or score huge in supercoach but he is reliable. And he's actually a pretty good kick.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

lol
Nice!....It's true though, as talented as White is the onus is on him to lift his rating to get back into the side or risk having his AFL career
Flushed down the toilet come years end! For all of Dmac's limitations, one thing you do know with him is he will give his heart and soul for the team!

agree, I feel like DMac is one of those players that will frustrate some, but also has the capacity to do something ridiculous like win a norm smith out of the blue or stand up massively during a finals run or something. Obviously I'm not saying I think that will happen, just that he's one of those players that when he's on he has such a strong contested game that he can really impact tight contests.