Preview Ports vs. Richmond Tiggers

[GremioPower]

That was not a ruthless, crushing victory. 10+ goal, or 100 point type victories are. We came out slow, gained control of the game and won by a few goals. Crushing victories are winning every quarter. Demoralising your opponent. Winning all 4 quarters and never looking like losing.


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Just look at it backwards! If you think that scoring only two behinds in >50 minutes of football is not demoralising, fine...

 

[The Rubber Man]

If we cant beat richmond at home with all their outs, we aren't going to go far this year.

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[Young Gun #6]

For all those saying this is finally our chance to beat Richmond...

Has everyone forgotten that we’ve won 3 of our past 4 against them??

They are our bunnies at the moment. We’ll win this by 20-30 points.

 

[JUSTWORK]

For all those saying this is finally our chance to beat Richmond...

Has everyone forgotten that we’ve won 3 of our past 4 against them??

They are our bunnies at the moment. We’ll win this by 20-30 points.

Ill take the 4 points, and ill wait until actually seeing the selected side but we should win by more than that.

Which will be the challenge for the players, not switching off and playing with the same intensity as if they were at full strength.

 

[Manhattan Bronx]

Heading to this game with the better half. Feeling confident in the boys. Perfect weather for footy, and the team would want to prove last week was a minor hiccup (especially the seniors)
Ports by 35.

 

[1954]

It appears that the club did not action a consequence on Wingard for all of the 'toxicity' he is alleged to have been pouring out for what is reported to be happening for a continuous three years. This is where I find it difficult to feel that the club and Ken are purely in the right.

They have actioned discipline on isolated incidents with other players. DBJ was given a dropping for one late arrival to a meeting but we've heard nothing else about DBJ being a prior issue. Nathan Krakouer had been correctly disciplined for an incident that lead to his injured ankle early in his final season but there was another player with him at the time that crossed the line yet was given only a warning. Impey's dangerous car crash earned him a consequence yet his passenger fro memory received no consequence. There appears to be a mixed bag of issuing consequences.

Re the Wingard after game interview I am sure I heard him say at the end that his Hawk's team mates were `selfless,' which was a very interesting comment and has to at least suggest he had a falling out with some of his ex team mates here.

 

[tangolikelama]

No excuse

 

[Janus]

See to me that makes him arrogant, entitled and maybe a bit bitter because he’s had take a stab but fundamentally he’s not wrong

Re his attitude and conditioning its not ok and he’s paid a price and had to leave his family and friends behind to continue his career

But I could mount the same argument against Ken, we would expect the club would say to Ken “you’ve got a year to go and haven’t been consistently making finals despite having resources players etc so let’s see where next year takes us before hitting the golden 3 year pararchute option” “let’s see how committed you are to Port”

But it didn’t they mashed it as fast as they could and now he’s got an ivory backscratcher and we’ve got Sam Gray at FF

Why one set of rules for Ken and another for Wingard ?

I’ve been through this several times before. The coaches association states that all coaches must be told six months before October 30 if their contract isn’t going to be renewed. That means he would have been renewed at May 30 at the latest.

We played Gold Coast on May 18 and the bye was the following week, which is when the extension - which is two years with a third year trigger - would have been announced.

He didn’t have a year to go. He had 10 weeks of gameday coaching to go. It was either extend him when they did or tell him they would wait until the bye...and extend him then with a winning record. Which would have cost more, and still would have happened.

The other thing that needs to be established is the ability to replace him. People don’t seem to understand that the brief that Ken has isn’t just to coach the club - he’s also on the list management committee, so his role is also to improve the list so that the next coach has a better shot at it. All the guys that are with the club are here in large part due to him. Maybe he won’t make it, and Schofield will. Who knows? But he’s not ruining the club like some people claim.

Wingard, on the other hand, had another full year on his contract to go, had proven time and time again that he feeds off the praise for his ego, and wasn’t prepared to be traded until he found a destination in Hawthorn that could facilitate that hunger. It was funny reading him talk about how he felt like he was cheating on the club when he visited the Bulldogs and St Kilda...but when Hawthorn came knocking, suddenly it was “What have you done for me lately?”

You say he’s had to leave family and friends - yet those people weren’t enough for him to strive to be a better player so he didn’t have to?

The guy is a child who simply won’t take ownership of his mistakes. Ken got up at the best and fairest and admitted that they got it wrong with the gameplan last year. I want Wingard to stand up and say he didn’t apply himself the way that he should have at Port and that he was one of the 27 reasons (22 players plus the coaching staff) why we’ve missed finals - which should have been achieved regardless of game style.

If he had given his all and wanted a trade for the same reason, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. In fact, if he and Polec had done what they were asked and applied themselves and we still put up the same results, I’d be driving the “Sack Hinkley” train, because it would mean it’s the conductor that’s the problem and not the orchestra.

That’s why the excuses have run out for Ken now. He’s built and continues to build the connection within the group. He’s got this year and next year to prove that he can harness it...which is why I’m so hard on guys like Bonner, who is displaying the exact same traits as the people we’ve gotten rid of.

No passengers includes Ken as well.

 

[Lagooner]

I’ve been through this several times before. The coaches association states that all coaches must be told six months before October 30 if their contract isn’t going to be renewed. That means he would have been renewed at May 30 at the latest.

We played Gold Coast on May 18 and the bye was the following week, which is when the extension - which is two years with a third year trigger - would have been announced.

He didn’t have a year to go. He had 10 weeks of gameday coaching to go. It was either extend him when they did or tell him they would wait until the bye...and extend him then with a winning record. Which would have cost more, and still would have happened.

The other thing that needs to be established is the ability to replace him. People don’t seem to understand that the brief that Ken has isn’t just to coach the club - he’s also on the list management committee, so his role is also to improve the list so that the next coach has a better shot at it. All the guys that are with the club are here in large part due to him. Maybe he won’t make it, and Schofield will. Who knows? But he’s not ruining the club like some people claim.

Wingard, on the other hand, had another full year on his contract to go, had proven time and time again that he feeds off the praise for his ego, and wasn’t prepared to be traded until he found a destination in Hawthorn that could facilitate that hunger. It was funny reading him talk about how he felt like he was cheating on the club when he visited the Bulldogs and St Kilda...but when Hawthorn came knocking, suddenly it was “What have you done for me lately?”

You say he’s had to leave family and friends - yet those people weren’t enough for him to strive to be a better player so he didn’t have to?

The guy is a child who simply won’t take ownership of his mistakes. Ken got up at the best and fairest and admitted that they got it wrong with the gameplan last year. I want Wingard to stand up and say he didn’t apply himself the way that he should have at Port and that he was one of the 27 reasons (22 players plus the coaching staff) why we’ve missed finals - which should have been achieved regardless of game style.

If he had given his all and wanted a trade for the same reason, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. In fact, if he and Polec had done what they were asked and applied themselves and we still put up the same results, I’d be driving the “Sack Hinkley” train, because it would mean it’s the conductor that’s the problem and not the orchestra.

That’s why the excuses have run out for Ken now. He’s built and continues to build the connection within the group. He’s got this year and next year to prove that he can harness it...which is why I’m so hard on guys like Bonner, who is displaying the exact same traits as the people we’ve gotten rid of.

No passengers includes Ken as well.

What happens in the instance where a coach isn’t renewed but then can’t find a job? Is the original club barred from offering them a new contract if they change their mind?

 

[Janus]

What happens in the instance where a coach isn’t renewed but then can’t find a job? Is the original club barred from offering them a new contract if they change their mind?

Pretty sure any coach that didn’t have the faith of their board would rather go be an assistant somewhere else or the head coach of a lower league than be in an environment like that.

It’s why the thing with Buckley in 2017 was just a marketing wank. He was always getting renewed, they just wanted to give the appearance of due diligence.

 

[Lagooner]

Pretty sure any coach that didn’t have the faith of their board would rather go be an assistant somewhere else or the head coach of a lower league than be in an environment like that.

It’s why the thing with Buckley in 2017 was just a marketing wank. He was always getting renewed, they just wanted to give the appearance of due diligence.

So, no then?

 

[Adz2332]

waiting to see the ins and outs before i get to confident or worried

 

[OneGreatClub]

See to me that makes him arrogant, entitled and maybe a bit bitter because he’s had take a stab but fundamentally he’s not wrong

Re his attitude and conditioning its not ok and he’s paid a price and had to leave his family and friends behind to continue his career

But I could mount the same argument against Ken, we would expect the club would say to Ken “you’ve got a year to go and haven’t been consistently making finals despite having resources players etc so let’s see where next year takes us before hitting the golden 3 year pararchute option” “let’s see how committed you are to Port”

But it didn’t they mashed it as fast as they could and now he’s got an ivory backscratcher and we’ve got Sam Gray at FF

Why one set of rules for Ken and another for Wingard ?

Because one is a coach with a contract and one is a player who can walk freely at end of this year.
The difference is we needed to get something for Chad as all indications were he was going to walk straight into Clarko’s arms via free agency next year anyway.
At least we got a lift in the super draft instead of potentially nothing next year.

Ken is a different situation. We can’t force Ken out a year or two early for extra draft picks. We maybecould try to force him out for a million dollars or two that we just don’t have and the AFL won’t be giving us the money to do it.. nor the ok to do it.
We are stuck with Ken which is frustrating as hell and maybe he is partly to blame for Chad’s attitude but the 2 situations aren’t comparable in the real world.

 

[PortWTF]

Surely Richmond will now turn this game into a contested slopfest. They may be without their best players, but they still have a good system and on the narrow Adelaide Oval will likely try to play like Geelong does against us.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Us or Richmond?

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[Janus]

So, no then?

If you want to be technical about it, sure.

I deal with normal human reactions, and the normal human reaction says it wouldn’t happen in a million years. If you don’t think someone is good enough, then they aren’t good enough. No one is changing their mind.

 

[Shazza_]

For all those saying this is finally our chance to beat Richmond...

Has everyone forgotten that we’ve won 3 of our past 4 against them??

They are our bunnies at the moment. We’ll win this by 20-30 points.

dont port have a habit of beating reigning premiers and doing not much else ?

 

[DaTBird187]

No argument with the rest of what you said but the AFL MRO/Tribunal system does not set examples or recognise precedents. It’s inherent to the system, so they can just do what they feel like each time with no accountability.

Ahhh the Brad Goodman approach.

 

[Lagooner]

If you want to be technical about it, sure.

I deal with normal human reactions, and the normal human reaction says it wouldn’t happen in a million years. If you don’t think someone is good enough, then they aren’t good enough. No one is changing their mind.

A week is a long time in football so 6 months must be close to an eternity.

Isn’t it possible for someone to exceed expectations, causing one to change their mind about them?

We all know Hinkley wouldn’t have changed any minds in this scenario, but hypothetically speaking.

 

[DontArgue4]

Definite outs from our best 22: Dusty, Rance, Riewoldt, Cotchin, Short, Grigg

Probable outs: Houli

If you dont beat us by 10+ goals, id be worried lol

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Prepare to be 'worried'

 

[Duck Farmer]

Do people really think the club was like “Yeah, that’s fine Chad, you can play at 7kg over your ideal weight?”

His continued selection and Top 6 B&F finish makes me think maybe yes?

 

[PAFC66]

Definite outs from our best 22: Dusty, Rance, Riewoldt, Cotchin, Short, Grigg

Probable outs: Houli

If you dont beat us by 10+ goals, id be worried lol

We'd beat you with all them playing. Normally do.

 

[DontArgue4]

We'd beat you with all them playing. Normally do.

well that isnt true, but cool

 

[PAFC27]

well that isnt true, but cool

We've beaten you the last 3/4 times with them