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https://www.theonion.com/ecuadorian-embassy-runs-ad-seeking-no-drama-tenant-fo-1833979539
LONDON—In an effort to find an occupant who doesn’t “bring the party home,” officials at the Ecuadorian embassy in London ran an ad Thursday on several local flat-sharing websites seeking a “no drama” tenant for a newly vacant room.

“We’re looking for someone who can get along with a diverse group of foreign government dignitaries,” read the ad in part, noting that the ideal roommate to fill the vacancy in the spacious multi-story home located in the quiet Kensington neighborhood would keep regular hours and not spend all their time in the apartment.

“You must have a steady job and pay rent on time—this is non-negotiable due to past issues we’ve had. Guests are okay, but if you’re constantly having over girlfriends, boyfriends, journalists, or activists, this is not the place for you.”

The ad requested that all interested parties attend the embassy’s Saturday open house and be prepared with at least two past-roommate references and a security deposit of two months’ rent.
 
yebiga said:
Thanks to the arrest and confirmation of US attempt extradition of Julian Assange, millions of western citizens have become more disenchanted with their governments and our culture.
Everything Wikileaks publishes has proven to be true.
Every mainstream media outlet, who for 6 years attempted to paint Assange as paranoid, - and they all did - have again proven themselves to be willfully mendacious, hopeless corrupt and cretinously inept.

US foreign policy now universally mimicked by all its allies has become a sad daily mockumentary of itself.

Imagine how this looks from the perspective of China, Russia or India?
Imagine what every astute independently minded person in the world must think - whether they admit it or not?

When an empire decides to publicly conduct a petty war against the owner of a little remote website - which receives leaks - when that war continues for 6 years and counting then we are seeing the dying days of the empire. It is a shell no one believes in anymore.

Like the end of Austrian-Hungarian empire it retained a certain outward appearance long after it’s internal organs had become gangrenous.
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What a load of rubbish
 
Theresa May said:

Earlier today, British Prime Minister Theresa May has issued a comment from the House of Commons on the arrest of Julian Assange inside the Ecuadorean Embassy in London.

“I am sure that the whole House will welcome the news this morning that the Metropolitan Police have arrested Julian Assange for breach of bail, after nearly seven years in the Ecuadorean Embassy. He has also been arrested in relation to an extradition request from the United States authorities.

“This is now a legal matter before the courts. My Right Honourable Friend the Home Secretary will make a Statement on this later, but I would like to thank the Metropolitan Police for carrying out their duties with great professionalism and to welcome the co-operation of the Ecuadorean government in bringing this matter to a resolution.

Mr Speaker, this goes to show that in the United Kingdom, no one is above the law.”
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UK Home Office fact sheet on the extradition process.

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Interesting piece on the Assange matter in Harpers here

Not all of the facts about the DNC leaks have come out yet, so it is hard to know exactly what Assange did. If he explicitly agreed to act as a Russian agent, he should lose his First Amendment protection. On the other hand, if he did no more than what he did with Manning—receive the documents and publish them—he should have that protection. The same is true with respect to the Vault 7 matter: the facts concerning these leaks are not known, but the application of the conspiracy theory to these leaks is presumably the same as in the DNC hack.

Should Trump’s Justice Department succeed in prosecuting Assange, the only safe course of action for a reporter would be to receive information from a leaker passively. As soon as a reporter actively sought the information or cooperated with the source, the reporter would be subject to prosecution
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If reporters can be indicted for talking to their sources, it will mean that the government has created the equivalent of a UK Official Secrets Act—through judicial fiat, without any legislative action.
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Seeds said:
As an australian Im allowed to criticise other governments. Theres a law in australia that states I have that right.
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What law is that?

Seeds said:
There is not a law in australia that states I can steal another countries secret documents. You arent comparing like for like.
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The law doesn't work like that. It tells you what you can't do. Assange did not break a UK law in relation to stealing another country's secret documents. And he's never been a US citizen so US law does not apply to him.
 
Looks like he will be in Gitmo in no time. Although not a fan of his work I think the government should offer some support to defend himself.

Jailhouse meeting between Julian Assange and Australian High Commission will address fears he will face the death penalty if extradited to the US

The Australian government says it's committed to the principle of not exposing its citizens to the death penalty as the US moves in on Julian Assange. Australian consular officials will visit the WikiLeaks founder in a London jail on Friday after he was arrested at the Ecuadorian embassy and promptly convicted of skipping bail.

Supporters fear Assange could face the death penalty if the US succeeds in a bid to extradite and try him over the release of thousands of classified US government documents years ago.

'The extradition process itself is a matter between the United States and the United Kingdom, but we have also been provided with that advice from the UK,' she told reporters. The group's Europe spokesman Massimo Moratti said those violations might include 'detention conditions that would violate the absolute prohibition of torture', and the possibility of an unfair trial followed by possible execution.

'We urge the UK authorities to comply with the assurances provided to Ecuador that he would not be sent anywhere he could face the death penalty, torture or other ill-treatment,' he said. Assange was dragged from the Ecuadorian embassy in London overnight, charged and promptly convicted in court of skipping bail in 2012.

That was the year he sought asylum at the embassy, saying he feared his life could be at risk if he was sent to the US to be tried for the biggest leak of classified government documents in American history.
 
I’d be very surprised if he was executed given the Yanks haven’t executed anyone for espionage since the Rosenbergs (who shouldn’t have been executed, unlike Ames and Hanssen who definitely should have).
 

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JeanLucGoddard said:
The US empire has more power of self-renewal than the Hapsburgs though.

Trump in his own way is proof of that.
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400 km ph Chinese trains,
Super computers, post graduates, life expectancy
All the graphs indicate we are awaiting the fat lady.

May she sing soon - we are done
 
Jibroni said:
Looks like he will be in Gitmo in no time. Although not a fan of his work I think the government should offer some support to defend himself.

Jailhouse meeting between Julian Assange and Australian High Commission will address fears he will face the death penalty if extradited to the US

The Australian government says it's committed to the principle of not exposing its citizens to the death penalty as the US moves in on Julian Assange. Australian consular officials will visit the WikiLeaks founder in a London jail on Friday after he was arrested at the Ecuadorian embassy and promptly convicted of skipping bail.

Supporters fear Assange could face the death penalty if the US succeeds in a bid to extradite and try him over the release of thousands of classified US government documents years ago.

'The extradition process itself is a matter between the United States and the United Kingdom, but we have also been provided with that advice from the UK,' she told reporters. The group's Europe spokesman Massimo Moratti said those violations might include 'detention conditions that would violate the absolute prohibition of torture', and the possibility of an unfair trial followed by possible execution.

'We urge the UK authorities to comply with the assurances provided to Ecuador that he would not be sent anywhere he could face the death penalty, torture or other ill-treatment,' he said. Assange was dragged from the Ecuadorian embassy in London overnight, charged and promptly convicted in court of skipping bail in 2012.

That was the year he sought asylum at the embassy, saying he feared his life could be at risk if he was sent to the US to be tried for the biggest leak of classified government documents in American history.
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The UK won't extradite him if execution on the table, or cruel punishment ie gitmo or payback IE life for espionage. They have to be carefull what they do, at least if they want him.

This is going to take years and obviously the UK is not going to let him out on bail. His skipping bail sentence will probably be 6 to 12 mths, so it won't be ideal.

I can see one last hurrah to the EU human rights courts, that will get the brexit supporters riled up
 
If the Brits Brexit, he's gone.
 

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JeanLucGoddard said:
No, adults would read books about the actual Wars of the Roses, or Thirty Years War or the Mongols, not need some t***ies and dragons kid version.
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I've read plenty about all 3. Also read A Song of Ice and Fire because it's a damn good series and reading quality fiction is a thing adults do. It would be odd then, for me to completely ignore the show, though I do find 'GOT super-fans' who never bothered to read the series it's based on irritating. Especially when they complain about having to WAIT A WHOLE YEAR for the next series.

But anyway, little OT, so maybe should leave it there.

As to Assange, and the actual reason I popped back to the thread, Peter Greste wrote an article for Fairfax Nine which is worth the read. Makes some good points: https://www.smh.com.au/national/ass...rrest-with-press-freedom-20190412-p51di1.html

I'm still uneasy about the charge because it doesn't really refer to what happened subsequently, just the interaction between Assange and his source. At that point he's no different to a journalist even if didn't ultimately behave like one.
 
Badesumofu said:
I've read plenty about all 3. Also read A Song of Ice and Fire because it's a damn good series and reading quality fiction is a thing adults do. It would be odd then, for me to completely ignore the show, though I do find 'GOT super-fans' who never bothered to read the series it's based on irritating. Especially when they complain about having to WAIT A WHOLE YEAR for the next series.

But anyway, little OT, so maybe should leave it there.

As to Assange, and the actual reason I popped back to the thread, Peter Greste wrote an article for Fairfax Nine which is worth the read. Makes some good points: https://www.smh.com.au/national/ass...rrest-with-press-freedom-20190412-p51di1.html

I'm still uneasy about the charge because it doesn't really refer to what happened subsequently, just the interaction between Assange and his source. At that point he's no different to a journalist even if didn't ultimately behave like one.
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Wikileaks published material which proved conclusively that US soldiers in Iraq had committed War Crimes and Human Rigths Abuses.
This is not in dispute. What has not been properly investigated is exactly how widespread this behaviour was at the time, whether it continued, for how long, and whether this was deliberate policy and approved or tolerated at exactly what level of the US Government and / or Military?

Every human has a responsibility - maybe even an obligation - to reveal War Crimes and Human Rights Abuses. Otherwise, why bother having any laws against it? Why bother with outrage about NAZIs, the Holocaust, Death Camps, Stalin. et al. It all becomes merely a matter of fashion, and the only arbiters are CNN, NBC, et al.

If we are serious, moral, civilised beings, then, when it comes to revealing human rights abuses, does it matter whether the publisher is a journalist? The whistleblower who reveals such a story has only one obligation - that they are certain the story is true!.

To wilfully or unwittingly train your focus on questioning and condemning the motives and actions of the Whistleblower or th ePublisher is despicable and callow. What exactly is going on their heads? To direct focus away from those who are responsible for perpetrating criminal human rights abuses is akin to the Auschwitz guard or the NAZI officer who blamed the Jew for their miserable state. It is a sickness of the soul. A surrender to abject slovenly weakness.
 
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yebiga said:
Wikileaks published material which proved conclusively that US soldiers in Iraq had committed War Crimes and Human Rigths Abuses.
This is not in dispute. What has not been properly investigated is exactly how widespread this behaviour was at the time, whether it continued, for how long, and whether this was deliberate policy and approved or tolerated at exactly what level of the US Government and / or Military?

Every human has a responsibility - maybe even an obligation - to reveal War Crimes and Human Rights Abuses. Otherwise, why bother having any laws against it? Why bother with outrage about NAZIs, the Holocaust, Death Camps, Stalin. et al. It all becomes merely a matter of fashion, and the only arbiters are CNN, NBC, et al.

If we are serious, moral, civilised beings, then, when it comes to revealing human rights abuses, does it matter whether the publisher is a journalist? The whistleblower who reveals such a story has only one obligation - that they are certain the story is true!.

To wilfully or unwittingly train your focus on questioning and condemning the motives and actions of the Whistleblower or th ePublisher is despicable and callow. What exactly is going on their heads? To direct focus away from those who are responsible for perpetrating criminal human rights abuses is akin to the Auschwitz guard or the NAZI officer who blamed the Jew for their miserable state. It is a sickness of the soul. A surrender to abject slovenly weakness.
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Assange footage did not prove anything. Blowing up the van with helicopters is not in itself a war time. And again for lefties the US does not need to be in any comparison to the nazis
 
Sainteric said:
Assange footage did not prove anything. Blowing up the van with helicopters is not in itself a war time. And again for lefties the US does not need to be in any comparison to the nazis
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There is a lot more than that on the Wikileaks site - none of it disputed.
Those invisible chains are a bitch
 
yebiga said:
Wikileaks published material which proved conclusively that US soldiers in Iraq had committed War Crimes and Human Rigths Abuses.
This is not in dispute. What has not been properly investigated is exactly how widespread this behaviour was at the time, whether it continued, for how long, and whether this was deliberate policy and approved or tolerated at exactly what level of the US Government and / or Military?

Every human has a responsibility - maybe even an obligation - to reveal War Crimes and Human Rights Abuses. Otherwise, why bother having any laws against it? Why bother with outrage about NAZIs, the Holocaust, Death Camps, Stalin. et al. It all becomes merely a matter of fashion, and the only arbiters are CNN, NBC, et al.

If we are serious, moral, civilised beings, then, when it comes to revealing human rights abuses, does it matter whether the publisher is a journalist? The whistleblower who reveals such a story has only one obligation - that they are certain the story is true!.

To wilfully or unwittingly train your focus on questioning and condemning the motives and actions of the Whistleblower or th ePublisher is despicable and callow. What exactly is going on their heads? To direct focus away from those who are responsible for perpetrating criminal human rights abuses is akin to the Auschwitz guard or the NAZI officer who blamed the Jew for their miserable state. It is a sickness of the soul. A surrender to abject slovenly weakness.
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And scum floats to the top. We are constantly required to clean that shit up. How many more watchdogs do we need to keep these people in check?
 

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