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[Lethality]

No it wouldn't. Rocky land unsuitable for crop farming can still be good grazing ground. Can get good feed growing around rocks

What kind of ground do you think cattle grazing in the Snowy Mountains was done on?

At no stage did I say you couldn't graze cattle there. It's just that it's of little worth.

 

[Lethality]

I also don't believe we could kill much less "ethically" than we do now.

Agreed. We've come up with the least ethical way of killing animals.

 

[Lethality]

Chasing tail is linked to early death as well but we don’t ban that. If you don’t want meat, don’t eat it. You really have problems. Who are you supporting next month by the way?

Relationships are good for well being actually.

Yes I choose not to eat meat, and believe it's bad for a number of reasons. I'm not forcing anyone to go without it.

 

[sprockets]

Agreed. We've come up with the least ethical way of killing animals.

My bad. I know you know what I meant. Now, how about answering the questions?

It's ok, I get that dodging questions is one of the tactics of animal rights zealots.

 

[Lethality]

My bad. I know you know what I meant. Now, how about answering the questions?

It's ok, I get that dodging questions is one of the tactics of animal rights zealots.

Your question is a good one, but not anything new for me. The point to it all is not to simply BE a vegan, but to minimize suffering. Therefore pets are rescued, or adopted, rather than bought. Carnivores are fed ethical meat, or fish. As always it's important to be aware of what you're buying and its effects on the environment because there is such an unnatural disconnect between the product and consumer.

 

[Craven Morehead]

My bad. I know you know what I meant. Now, how about answering the questions?

It's ok, I get that dodging questions is one of the tactics of animal rights zealots.

The statement: kill animals more ethically has been raised numerous times here and on other threads.
But when asked for a solution that is ethically over and above how we slaughter now, all you get is silence.
I'd be really, really interested on some tangible improvements on Australia's current systems.
Which, btw, are World's Best Practice.

 

[Bostonian]

At no stage did I say you couldn't graze cattle there. It's just that it's of little worth.

Annnnnd were back to my original point of you quoting 26% which you just proved is a useless stat because there's nothing in that statistic that states what sort of land it is.

26% becomes less when you factor in this land of "little worth" except for cattle farming.

 

[Lethality]

Annnnnd were back to my original point of you quoting 26% which you just proved is a useless stat because there's nothing in that statistic that states what sort of land it is.

26% is very relevant as it indicates that it's more than that when it comes to total land used for livestock, since not all grazing land is arable.

26% becomes less when you factor in this land of "little worth" except for cattle farming.

Maybe from a livestock perspective, but the idea is to go beyond that and use the land for something besides producing methane.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Chasing tail is linked to early death as well but we don’t ban that. If you don’t want meat, don’t eat it. You really have problems. Who are you supporting next month by the way?

Podgey imagines that by adopting the PC position on all things societal, it will somehow suffice as a substitute for a moral compass.

 

[Bostonian]

26% is very relevant as it indicates that it's more than that when it comes to total land used for livestock, since not all grazing land is arable.


Maybe from a livestock perspective, but the idea is to go beyond that and use the land for something besides producing methane.

Like what?

Or is it utilising land for food production that would otherwise not be suitable for anything but cattle?

 

[Lethality]

Like what?

Or is it utilising land for food production that would otherwise not be suitable for anything but cattle?

Housing, wind farms, wildlife reserves, etc. Virtually anything.

 

[Shane Sheridan]

Which uses apply to the Pilbara?

Housing, wind farms, wildlife reserves, etc. Virtually anything.

 

[Lethality]

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Which uses apply to the Pilbara?

Erosion is one of the pitfalls of excessive cattle grazing.

 

[Craven Morehead]

Erosion is one of the pitfalls of excessive cattle grazing.

There is zero erosion in that photo. Zero.
As for the rest of your posts of late: digging up is a better option.

 

[Lethality]

There is zero erosion in that photo. Zero.
As for the rest of your posts of late: digging up is a better option.

Looks like there's a bit. I don't think grazing cattle there is going to help with anything. Best to use that land for something else.

 

[Smeg Head]

Looks like there's a bit. I don't think grazing cattle there is going to help with anything. Best to use that land for something else.

Open cut mining is the other option.

 

[Bostonian]

Housing, wind farms, wildlife reserves, etc. Virtually anything.

Housing?

People don't live in the houses that are already out in the country...

Stock can graze around wind farms.

If by wildlife you mean rabbits, foxes and crows, sure.

 

[sprockets]

Your question is a good one, but not anything new for me. The point to it all is not to simply BE a vegan, but to minimize suffering. Therefore pets are rescued, or adopted, rather than bought. Carnivores are fed ethical meat, or fish. As always it's important to be aware of what you're buying and its effects on the environment because there is such an unnatural disconnect between the product and consumer.

But then we have this http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

BTW, what's "ethical meat'? Meat that isn't killed? Fish? Why is it ok to kill fish? And another animal has to die to feed your carnivore pet (humans are carnivores too, just saying). Isn't the vegan argument that we shouldn't eat meat at all? Or is that just the next step after we're all consuming "ethically killed" animals? You know, one step at a time, introduce it by stealth... I wonder if you "minimise" suffering when you step on an ant or squish a bug on the windscreen of your car or is it just the 'big' animals that matter?

 

[Craven Morehead]

Looks like there's a bit. I don't think grazing cattle there is going to help with anything. Best to use that land for something else.

There is zero erosion in that photo. Zero.
Would you lie me to repeat that?

 

[Craven Morehead]

Housing?

People don't live in the houses that are already out in the country...

Stock can graze around wind farms.

If by wildlife you mean rabbits, foxes and crows, sure.

Let's not forget that the Pilbara is often hit with cyclones of ferocious intensity.
Good luck with a wind farm when 200+kmh winds hit.
Besides that, when it isn't blowing it's guts out it is generally pretty still and hot. Not great for wind farms either.
Then you have the issue of who the wind farms are supplying on the odd occasion where they are spinning nicely and not standing idle or being ripped out of the ground.

Another well though out post by Lethality.

 

[utility]

Erosion is one of the pitfalls of excessive cattle grazing.

Same goes for excessive modern farming of plant crops. Perhaps worse.

 

[Lethality]

Housing?

People don't live in the houses that are already out in the country...

Stock can graze around wind farms.

If by wildlife you mean rabbits, foxes and crows, sure.

Aboriginal settlements are being considered, and apparently it's also one of the most biodiverse subterranean spots in the world.

 

[Lethality]

There is zero erosion in that photo. Zero.
Would you lie me to repeat that?

You can repeat it as much as you like.

 

[Lethality]

But then we have this http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

BTW, what's "ethical meat'? Meat that isn't killed? Fish? Why is it ok to kill fish? And another animal has to die to feed your carnivore pet (humans are carnivores too, just saying). Isn't the vegan argument that we shouldn't eat meat at all? Or is that just the next step after we're all consuming "ethically killed" animals? You know, one step at a time, introduce it by stealth... I wonder if you "minimise" suffering when you step on an ant or squish a bug on the windscreen of your car or is it just the 'big' animals that matter?

Well no we're omnivores. There are ways to keep and kill animals without causing undue suffering. Certainly less than would be involved in starving a cat.

I try to avoid killing insects too. We're not doing too well with bees, and that also leads to deforestation.

 

[Craven Morehead]

You can repeat it as much as you like.

And I will, because its correct and you are wrong, yet again.
Just like below.

Aboriginal settlements are being considered, and apparently it's also one of the most biodiverse subterranean spots in the world.

Why do you INSIST on commenting about things you know NOTHING about?
The SW corner of WA is considered one of the most bio-diverse on the planet.
Now, unless I had my back turned, and someone shifted the Pilbara 1000+km's south you are wrong, yet again.
And again.
And again.