Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 2 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[dogzrule]

But then we have dropped Williams, ignored Lynch and Lipinski ?

Our selection strategy is horribly flawed and inconsistent.

I don’t mind if we had a plan and were stubbornly sticking to it - but the message about the strategy and the execution of it is terrible at the minute.

Reward VFL form - ignores players playing well.

Need more run - drops Williams.

What made us good in the last 6 games last year ?

Sped through the middle and better ball users in the team, Lynch, Williams, Lippa, Greeene (currently not available)

Trengove, Schache and Naughton all playing with Cordy and Morris. English was injured I think

We played with a taller side, better structure and better ball users

 

[Doggies_13]

What made us good in the last 6 games last year ?

Sped through the middle and better ball users in the team, Lynch, Williams, Lippa, Greeene (currently not available)

Trengove, Schache and Naughton all playing with Cordy and Morris. English was injured I think

We played with a taller side, better structure and better ball users

Also played Dunkley as a pure midfielder and Wallis as a pure forward where they perform the best

 

[TedDougChris]

What made us good in the last 6 games last year ?

Sped through the middle and better ball users in the team, Lynch, Williams, Lippa, Greeene (currently not available)

Trengove, Schache and Naughton all playing with Cordy and Morris. English was injured I think

We played with a taller side, better structure and better ball users

Also played Dunkley as a pure midfielder and Wallis as a pure forward where they perform the best

Agree with both. I don’t mind the solo English experiment (others disagree) but do it with the same structure we had at the end of last year.

 

[Pugz89]

Unpopular opinion. I’d take Sam Reid off Sydney’s hands if they paid some of his salary and the trade was super cheap.

As our CHB, not a key forward.

Every other resource we have must go towards forward half speed and class.

Given Buddy is nearing the end, I doubt they'd let him go tbh.

 

[Sharkey66]

Agree with both. I don’t mind the solo English experiment (others disagree) but do it with the same structure we had at the end of last year.

I get the feeling that the club has vastly overated where English is actually at in his development.

 

[Doggies_13]

Agree with both. I don’t mind the solo English experiment (others disagree) but do it with the same structure we had at the end of last year.

We’ve changed everything that worked late last year. I think it is because of libba being back and Beveridge has shown he selects what he feels is his best 22 players then worries about where to fit them in the structure. Rather than picking your best players by position and if it means the 4th best inside mid who may be your 18th best player plays vfl so be it

 

[Sharkey66]

We’ve changed everything that worked late last year. I think it is because of libba being back and Beveridge has shown he selects what he feels is his best 22 players then worries about where to fit them in the structure. Rather than picking your best players by position and if it means the 4th best inside mid who may be your 18th best player plays vfl so be it

So much this.

 

[TedDougChris]

We’ve changed everything that worked late last year. I think it is because of libba being back and Beveridge has shown he selects what he feels is his best 22 players then worries about where to fit them in the structure. Rather than picking your best players by position and if it means the 4th best inside mid who may be your 18th best player plays vfl so be it

More than fair comments....

 

[TedDougChris]

I get the feeling that the club has vastly overated where English is actually at in his development.

Possibly some truth in that, but he is one where I am prepared to wear some short term pain to be honest...

Certainly not in everything we have done this year...

 

[dogzrule]

I get the feeling that the club has vastly overated where English is actually at in his development.

You won’t be saying the same thing in 2 years time.

Imagine if we don’t play him in 1sts this year and next when he isn’t quite ready and throw him in his 4th year then need to wait another year to develop and get used to AFL intensity

Look at how Collingwood have developed Grundy, drafted in 2012 and played firsts from 2013 (7 games then 2014 15 games) onwards

As good as he is being the best ( or second behind Gawn) ruckman going around he didn’t make an impact until his 4th year.

English is only in his 3rd year and has has some injuries along the way

 

[Mofra]

Agree with both. I don’t mind the solo English experiment (others disagree) but do it with the same structure we had at the end of last year.

I don't mind it if he's getting some support from a legitimate tall.
At least I get my wish after weeks of wanting Trengove in as support. I wouldn't mind English resting forward occasionally bringing the ball to ground so our short people are crumbing the ground-ball and not clogging Naughton's leading space.

 

[dogwatch]

You won’t be saying the same thing in 2 years time.

Imagine if we don’t play him in 1sts this year and next when he isn’t quite ready and throw him in his 4th year then need to wait another year to develop and get used to AFL intensity

Look at how Collingwood have developed Grundy, drafted in 2012 and played firsts from 2013 (7 games then 2014 15 games) onwards

As good as he is being the best ( or second behind Gawn) ruckman going around he didn’t make an impact until his 4th year.

English is only in his 3rd year and has has some injuries along the way

Grundy was well ahead of English at the same age.
Not saying Timmy should be dropped or that he won't make it but he's not (yet) on track to reach Grundy's level of influence.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

My face every time I see a post like this

Yes yes, I'm sure you have everything behind the scenes figured out. I'm sure you know better than anyone else that guys like Joel Corey, Stephen King, Chris Maple, Steve Grace and others just "don't have the balls" to challenge Beveridge.

You're Jay from RedLetterMedia?

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

I'm not the one claiming there should or shouldn't be changes to the coaching department.

Exactly. You’re not. I am. That’s what I see as the problem. Do I know that’s the problem? No. Does the club know what the problem is? No because otherwise they’d fix it. So if the club doesn’t know, you sure as shit don’t know either.

 

[AJARWA]

I don't mind it if he's getting some support from a legitimate tall.
At least I get my wish after weeks of wanting Trengove in as support. I wouldn't mind English resting forward occasionally bringing the ball to ground so our short people are crumbing the ground-ball and not clogging Naughton's leading space.

Agree. Don't see why English needs to play 80 to 90% of time in the ruck at this stage of his development. We did it last year and he broke down then missed four or five weeks. Most rucks are expected to be able to pinch hit forward at times so it wouldn't hurt English to develop his forward craft.

Plus I think we need a second tall forward who can offer Naughton some support in the air while he develops. Without Schache and Boyd, seems obvious to bring in JT. I'm still surprised we didn't select him last week. Plus he adds that hardness we've been missing imo. We'll be a bit slower but our aerial presence should be much improved.

 

[Sharkey66]

You won’t be saying the same thing in 2 years time.

Imagine if we don’t play him in 1sts this year and next when he isn’t quite ready and throw him in his 4th year then need to wait another year to develop and get used to AFL intensity

Look at how Collingwood have developed Grundy, drafted in 2012 and played firsts from 2013 (7 games then 2014 15 games) onwards

As good as he is being the best ( or second behind Gawn) ruckman going around he didn’t make an impact until his 4th year.

English is only in his 3rd year and has has some injuries along the way

Im not saying he shouldnt be played at all, just that i think the club may have thought him a little more advanced than what he actually is and have been a little caught out.

 

[footyfan000001]

Anyone who ever said to get Pittard, shame on you.

 

[Bazza Bulldog]

Very simple - OUT (trade or delist) players who cannot kick. IN players who can kick.

Freo have just given us a kicking clinic in Q1

 

[Northernsoul74]

Very simple - OUT (trade or delist) players who cannot kick. IN players who can kick.

Freo have just given us a kicking clinic in Q1

That would be two thirds of our list.

 

[Bazza Bulldog]

That would be two thirds of our list.

Let's get busy then.

 

[dogwatch]

Very simple - OUT (trade or delist) players who cannot kick. IN players who can kick.

Freo have just given us a kicking clinic in Q1

Hawthorn won three flags with classy delivery. The problem is you have to get the ball and have some game sense and composure as well. Dalrymple went for Christian Howard (ahead of a bloke called Fyfe) who we were told was an elite kick. In 20 games he only had 165 kicks so it was hard to tell, but it was clear that he was NOT an elite kick when under pressure.

You've identified the problem but the solution is not an easy one. I'm happy to have a player in the side 168cm who can deliver under pressure like Daniel but the physique and height are important too - you need runners and bigger bodies who can first win possession and then hit a target 9 times out of 10.

 

[TMoney22]

Get Mundy. grow some balls and over pay for quality rather than overpaying players like JJ who have no accountability

 

[Dogsman16]

Don’t get to see our VFL side run around much, so I want to hear about Gairdner and is he the KPF who is strong and can sit under the high ball and bring it to ground?

We are so understocked in this area.

 

[Mr. Walker]

Unpopular opinion. I’d take Sam Reid off Sydney’s hands if they paid some of his salary and the trade was super cheap.

As our CHB, not a key forward.

Every other resource we have must go towards forward half speed and class.

I recall reading somewhere that we were never a chance to get either of the Reid brothers due to animosity over how their father was treated at the club. Anyone else recall this?

 

[dogwatch]

I recall reading somewhere that we were never a chance to get either of the Reid brothers due to animosity over how their father was treated at the club. Anyone else recall this?

I heard they were advised to steer clear because we were just a crap club administratively (which flowed through everything we did). Probably a fair call on how we were in the 60s 70s and 80s.

I didn’t hear it was specifically because of how we treated their dad but that’s a possibility - I think Malthouse got rid of him didn’t he?