Autopsy 2023 Round 1 DRAW. Ugly Blues still can't close out games

[ferrisb]

Luke Beveridge: Young = bog ordinary
ferrisb: Young = BOG, awesome

 

[Kruezing]

Just came back from the game …
Terrible game to watch we really haven’t improved in the keys we needed to improve in … ball movement non existent … inability to clear the ball outside defensive 50 was laughable … and of course the panic near the end as expected … upside is we got 2 points out of that crapola performance and so don’t have to worry about percentage …

 

[SBYM]

On reflection, it's the Fishers of the team not kicking on that is the most disappointing part of it all.

Early doors, but...

 

[Wickzki]

On reflection, it's the Fishers of the team not kicking on that is the most disappointing part of it all.

Early doors, but...

I wish Fisher could become someone who could find consistency game to game instead of someone who plays a good quarter here or there or a great game followed by two prior games.

The ability is there. He has proven it too many times for it to be a fluke.

 

[MightyMighties]

Voss' comment that last year in a game where contested was even, we would lose by 6 goals- is warranted
BUT WE HAVE MAJOR ISSUES WITH TRANSITION.

We still hit a brick wall when we get to our half forward line. Bounces straight back out and to me is the most frustrating thing I see when watching.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

How did Pitto go in the ressies?

BOG by the length of the Flemington straight

 

[Bokan]

Based on general play, we probably should have lost.

Based on our position in the last two minutes, we should have won.

Take the two points and reset for Round 2.

Most accurate comment I've read all night

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[Erko Blue]

You'd want to have Ed Curnow on your team.
Check out his little video clip on the CFC webbsuts

 

[Wickzki]

BOG by the length of the Flemington straight

Played out the 4 quarters too?
.
If so then that's a lock for R2.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Couldn’t lock down the last minute, once again.

 

[bluesmell]

Maybe he kicked too early but if Harry doesn't fall over for no reason we win that game. Good kick by LOB.

Kicked about 10 seconds too late

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Played out the 4 quarters too?
.
If so then that's a lock for R2.

Sure did - thought he was massive today in the ruck and around the ground.
I did the double header

 

[The Toad]

Luke Beveridge: Young = bog ordinary
ferrisb: Young = BOG, awesome

That's why you get paid the big $$$ my friend!!!

 

[The Toad]

BOG by the length of the Flemington straight

Someone else said the same about Dow??

 

[Bokan]

Frustrating stuff that in the first quarter I was so impressed with how involved and into the middle of the play fish was, and yet he totally disappeared from then on......

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[Dunna Heartknee]

Hollands and Cowan were both pretty good though. Hollands in the top few for distance covered along with Ed Curnow...our team needs that run given we're missing Walsh and had a few underdone players. Cowan with some nice marks and tackles. Kicking was iffy though.

With Walsh injured there is a spot for Hollands. His competition is Cottrell who is also injured and LOB/maybe Carroll who he's jumped ahead of already. Cowan gets a game given Williams and Boyd are both injured. His only competition is Cincotta, another newbie.

I get that, not saying they played bad but two holes of inexperience weakened us tonight it was just to hard to cover, playing one was the better choice against a team with a solid well drilled game plan like Richmond.
IMO we flirted with danger in a big game and it hurt us badly.

 

[Juddrockz]

Good news. Commentators definitely made mention of Cowan having work done before he got subbed out. Thought there were less effective players on field when it happened.

I was at the game,both from what i saw an heard on the radio at the same time,Cowan was cramping in both legs. Hopefully it was just that.

 

[Max Leader]

Yeah what was that about? Siren went and ball kept going after it was touched. Lucky.

That is the rule. The ball was kicked before the siren, and can roll as long as it likes as long as a Carlton player doesn’t touch it to propel its motion. No Carlton player touched the ball, so the score counts.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Someone else said the same about Dow??

Forgot about him, but he was excellent as well - got on the end of some great ruck work from Pitto and big Mirk putting it down his throat - but he did have a great game, especially the 2nd half.
I'll give a bit of an overview of our AFL listed players over on the VFL thread.

 

[BlueTang]

• Ugly game, but I don't doubt the players endeavour
• Richmond wanted it more than us, 2 points is a decent return for that output
• Dow kicked 4 in reserves, can we give him another shot?
• no injuries - that is fantastic
• really missed LOB’s link passing, hope he starts next week
• thought for a long time Walsh is our most important player, still think that after tonight, we really need him back and firing.

Hopefully we can bring it next week, Geelong will bury us if we play like that against them

 

[Jimmae]

Need an enquiry into how this list has us with such a poor cap situation.

Too many average players overpaid can be the only reason.

We do three things really poorly:

1. We take our talent spread and try to shoehorn it into some perfect prototype gameplan we have in mind, rather than adapt tactics to suit our talent.

2. We seem to completely avoid entire facets of moving and stopping movement of the football in our training drills and match sim.

3. When we recruit mature replacements, it feels like 90% of the time we somehow become hard focussed on iterative improvements on the exact same types of players.. it's like our list management is being operated by a creatively-devoid actuary instead of someone who uses statistics to identify and confirm consistent talent that performs under pressure. It's wild.

Buckley is right.

We should have lost by four goals and didn't.

Defence was great.

Attack and midfield, not so much.

Sums it up. Thought our defence was elite tonight. Midfielders let them down. 66 i50s conceded is absolutely appalling. Bottom-4 stuff. Without our defence, that was a 5+ goal loss.

Bullshit: our defence was supported by Cerra and Kennedy constantly dropping back in the corridor, with Cerra getting to the fall of the ball when Richmond kicked to the hot spot. Hollands covered for Newman, Docherty and Cowan a lot, but at least Docherty distributed the ball and Cowan won contests and moved the ball around well.

Newman spent the game running forward without purpose, then vaguely remembering to cut off angles into the corridor while someone else closed the gate he left wide open. Oh and then there was the brief period of time where some in this forum got their wish and he played on Martin, who absolutely ragdolled him.

Opted to kick to a contest instead of an open man. Dumb footballer.

LOB cooked it mate. He had Harry out by about 30m either side if he kicked it 1-2 bounces earlier. He ran way too far. Even if he didn’t hit Harry on the tit, he had the opportunity to get it over Grimes’ head and get it towards the boundary.

Here's what O'Brien had in front of him when he got the ball:



McKay and Curnow are barely inside the centre square at this point, and our smalls are in ****ing Narnia. Lochie has two choices:

1. Run a further 90 metres in virtually a straight line at full pace and kick the goal from about 35m, dodging a defender easily cutting across
2. Cut wide and draw the three defenders, still running 80+ metres but giving time for forwards to present, ideally streaming straight towards goal

He rightfully chose option 2 because it was likely he'd generate an easy F50 mark and the entire play through to a score would have taken about a minute off the clock.

Here's what he got once he recovered the dead bounce he copped:



McKay, Charlie outside his periperhal vision, and daylight. At this point he's already hit a full 33 km/h sprint down the wing, and he then goes on to nail a 40 metre pass that McKay wanted to go a further 5 metres over his back shoulder.

The only thing you can argue about O'Brien's play is what cutting back in 5-10 metres early could have created for him, but McKay should never have been expecting a deeper pass in that situation. The kick is almost always going to fall short of their best, and the difficulty of hitting a target at full pace means you should prop, make the target easier and then react to the kick.

The same situation in the NFL, the receiver expects the ball thrown underneath and to double back and protect the drop zone. In soccer, you expect a high cross and to head the ball back into a scoring position or to draw the keeper and leave a channel open for the winger or an overlapping mid to slot it.

In the end, O'Brien does a Christian Bale-level pass and people are still potting him. Rioli looked like he pinged his hamstring trying to stop him.

Shut. the ****. up.

It’s funny how few of us are mentioning Fish. He didn’t touch the ball in the second half. Not once.

At least Martin bodied the ball a couple of times. Fish vanished off the face of the Earth.

Bingo. Owies should not have played, and Fisher should have been summarily subbed out at three quarter time.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Need him desperately.

0 overlap run through that midfield. We were so predictable.

Was a horrible brand of footy to watch.

Agree also think in addition durdin and Boyd are best 22 and Cottrel is best 23. Cunningham is the interesting one, at his best really can add something we lack as I remember him as our best I50 kick

 

[RUNVS]

Can I just say that there were more than a few Carlton fans who when Hewett was linked to you guys mused "I don't think he will be in our best 22"

 

[slashin_velvet]

Me trying to be an optimist - last year that would have been a loss. We're top of the ladder.

The rest of me - drop McGovern

 

[katmanblue]

I wish Fisher could become someone who could find consistency game to game instead of someone who plays a good quarter here or there or a great game followed by two prior games.

The ability is there. He has proven it too many times for it to be a fluke.

Was great in first quarter then I didn't notice him at the ground.

Might be different watching the replay?

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