20 Disposals and a goal

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Royce Hafey

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This is not intended to be a dick-measuring thread, though it will probably degenerate into one. In amongst all of that stuff, hopefully some interesting debate can be had. I've always rated this particular statistic as clearly it favours goal-kicking mids but also understand that it also discriminates againstb defenders and permanent forwards. Below is a hastily compiled list of players who had seasons in which they averaged 20 or more disposals and 1 or more goals. It's not a definitive list as I didn't have the time to trawl through the records of every player in the league. Also I haven't included any player who played part of their career before 1965 as I used Footywire to do this and it only records disposal stats after 1965. So for instance, Barassi, who had one such season for the Blues, presumably would have had many such seasons for the Demons before 1965, has been left out as it would be misleading to say that he only had 1 such season. Current players in bold. It also records the overall career averages for any players who had 5 or more seasons.

  1. Leigh Matthews - 13 seasons averaging 20+ disposals & 1+ goals. Career Average 22.2 disposals 2.8 goals.
  2. Kevin Bartlett - 13 seasons. Career Average 22.7 disposals 1.9 goals.
  3. Garry Wilson - 13 seasons. Career Average 35 disposals 1.7 goals.
  4. Brent Harvey - 13 seasons. Career average 21.3 disposals 1.2 goals.
  5. Dustin Martin - 12 seasons. Career Average 24.6 disposals, 1.1 goals.
  6. John Murphy - 10 seasons. Career average 24.6 disposals 1,5 goals.
  7. Gary Ablett Junior - 9 seasons. Career Average 24.9 disposals 1.2 goals.
  8. Rodney Ashman - 8 seasons. Career Average 20 disposals 1.6 goals.
  9. Nathan Buckley - 8 seasons. Career Average 24.6 disposals 1 goal.
  10. Dale Weightman - 8 seasons. Career disposals 20.8 1.3 goals.
  11. Paul Chapman - 8 seasons. Career Average 19.7 disposals 1.3 goals.
  12. Tim Watson - 7 seasons. Career Average 19.9 disposals 1.1 goals.
  13. Peter German - 6 seasons. Career Average 21.4 disposals 1.1 goals.
  14. David Clarke - 5 seasons. Career Average 21.4 disposals 1.5 goals.
  15. Brian Royal - 5 seasons. Career Average 20.5 disposals 1.5 goals.
  16. Robbie Gray - 5 seasons. Career average 19.5 disposals 1.5 goals.
  17. James Hird - 5 seasons. Career average 20.1 disposals 1.4 goals.
  18. Dale Weightman - 5 seasons. Career average 20.8 disposals 1.3 goals.
  19. Patrick Dangerfield - 5 seasons. Career average 23.6 disposals 1 goal.
  20. Greg Williams - 5 seasons. Career Average 26.9 disposals 0.9 goals.
  21. Michael Voss - 5 seasons. Career average 21.3 disposals 0.8 goals.
  22. Gerard Healy - 5 seasons. Career average 21.6 disposals 0.5 goals.
  23. Marcus Bontempelli - 4 seasons.
  24. Jim Krakouer - 4 seasons.
  25. Andrew Macleod - 4 seasons.
  26. Darren Jarman - 4 seasons.
  27. Steve Johnson - 4 seasons.
  28. Luke Hodge - 4 seasons.
  29. Shannon Grant - 4 seasons.
  30. John Platten - 3 seasons.
  31. Wayne Johnston - 3 seasons.
  32. Dane Swan - 3 seasons.
  33. Robert Flower - 3 seasons.
  34. Adam Goodes - 3 seasons.
  35. Peter Daicos - 3 seasons.
  36. Matthew Pavlich - 3 seasons.
  37. Anthony Koutoufides - 3 seasons.
  38. Mark Ricciuto - 3 seasons.
  39. John Platten - 3 seasons.
  40. Chris Judd - 3 seasons.
  41. Jason Ackermanis - 3 seasons.
  42. Alan Didak - 3 seasons.
  43. Scott Camporeale - 3 seasons.
  44. Shane Crawford - 3 seasons.
  45. Kym Hodgeman - 3 seasons.
  46. Malcom Blight - 2 seasons.
  47. Toby Greene - 2 seasons.
  48. Nat Fyfe - 2 seasons.
  49. Paul Kelly - 2 seasons.
  50. Peter Matera - 2 seasons.
  51. Craig Bradley - 2 seasons.
  52. Christian Petracca - 2 seasons.
  53. Tim Kelly - 2 seasons.
  54. Joel; Selwood - 2 seasons.
  55. Jack Ziebell - 2 seasons.
  56. Stephen Coniglio - 2 seasons.
  57. Chris Lewis.
  58. Bill Barrot - 2 seasons.
  59. Barry Cable - 2 seasons.
  60. Paul Williams - 2 seasons.
  61. Paul Couch - 2 seasons.
  62. Tom Lynch (Crows) - 2 seasons.
  63. Nigel Lappin - 1 season.
  64. Scot Pendlebury - 1 season.
  65. Ben Cousins - 1 season.
  66. Mitch Duncan - 1 season.
  67. Jimmy Bartel - 1 season.
  68. Adam Cooney - 1 season.
  69. Hugh McCluggage - 1 season.
  70. Isaac Smith - 1 season.
  71. Michael Walters - 1 season.
  72. Kevin Sheedy - 1 season.
  73. Wayne Campbell - 1 season.
  74. Joel Bowden - 1 season.
  75. Stan Alves - 1 season.
  76. Dylan Moore - 1 season.
The first thing to say about this list is it's not complete and I'm happy for people to post any suggestions as I'm sure that I've missed a lot of older players and possibly some current. My methodology was to get Footwire to rank current players on their disposal for 2023 and go through all who averaged 20 or more disposals. There are probably errors as well and, if anyone can point them, out I'll be happy to correct them. Other than that, it would be worthwhile discussing how useful this stat is. It seems to some extent to back up the general consensus regarding the greatest players with the obvious glaring admission of defenders and pure forwards. Hence the fact that players of the calibre of Carey and Ablett Senior, both of whom are talked about as "GOATS", never managed to get onto this list. Nevertheless it still seems useful as a tool to assess the value of midfielders.

The other thing that I found interesting while compiling the list is the value of comparing the number of seasons a player got 20 and 1 with their overall career averages. I only thought about looking at this some way into compiling the list when I noticed a curious thing about GAJ and Dusty's records. Whereas Dusty has had 3 more seasons where he achieved 20 and 1 than GAJ, Gaj has a slightly higher career averages. The reason is clearly that GAJ had a somewhat slower start to his career whereas Dusty was hitting 20 and 1 from his second season on (only missing out in 2016 from then on in). Why was GAJ slower to start? In any case, it suggests that in GAJ's best seasons he was performing statistically better than Dusty. Ie peak GAJ was better than peak Dusty (at least in the home and away season). But, as I said at starting that I wanted to avoid dick measurement, I'll leave it at that.
 
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Brent Harvey?
 
Like any arbitrarily chosen statistical cut off it’s very limited in its assessment.

Under this a 3.8 goal 27.4 disposal season from Matthews is ranked the same as a 1 goal 20 disposal year. As well under this a 35 disposal 0.8 goal year wouldn’t be counted despite being preferred to a 20 and 1 year.

Also career averages are fraught with similar limitations around starting slow and having a longer career.
 
We all know how this thread is going to go. At least the part at the end was more subtle than usual.

Was it though? I saw exactly what this thread was secretly about immediately.

I may as well create a thread to discuss who we all think is the best player currently in the AFL who has the same name as an owl in Harry Potter. It is pretty obvious who I would want everyone talking about.
 
Was it though? I saw exactly what this thread was secretly about immediately.

I may as well create a thread to discuss who we all think is the best player currently in the AFL who has the same name as an owl in Harry Potter. It is pretty obvious who I would want everyone talking about.

Well I guess it is relative. For Tiger supporters on here it is more subtle than usual.
 

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Ah yes another record soon to be equaled/broken by D Martin.

Great thread, really highlights the best hybrid mid forwards of the game
 
Andrew McLeod - 4 consecutive seasons 2000-2003.

Averaged 20 disposals & 0.8 goals over his 16 year career... which is impressive given much of it was played in defence.
 
Darren Jarman - 4 times too (Hawks 1992 & 1993, Crows 1996 & 1997) ... including 1997 premiership season.

1996 - averaged 21 possessions & 2.4 goals per game.

Averaged 19 disposals & 1.7 goals per game over his career.
 
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Peter Matera - 2 times (1991 & 1993), very nearly 3 times averaging 19.96 disposals & 1.35 goals in their 1992 premiership year.

Best goal kicking wingman in my lifetime... averaging 19 possessions & 0.9 goals over his career.

Gun!
 
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Brad Johnson - 6 times (1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2009)

Averaged 20 disposals & 1.5 goals over his career.
 

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