List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 2

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Harley Reid extends to 2028

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List Changes - 2025

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• Oscar Allen advises intention to explore Free Agency
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle
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  Jack Petruccelle

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  83kg

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  Career

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  Last 5

  D

  9.2

  2star

  K

  6.2

  2star

  HB

  3.0

  3star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  G

  1.0

  4star

  D

  6.7

  1star

  K

  4.0

  1star

  HB

  2.7

  2star

  M

  1.7

  2star

  T

  1.3

  2star

  G

  0.7

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  D

  7.8

  2star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  3.2

  3star

  M

  2.8

  3star

  T

  1.6

  4star

  G

  0.6

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  , Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Liam Ryan has requested a trade to St Kilda but is contracted for 2026
• Campbell Chesser (uncontracted) has requested a trade to Carlton
• List would be 37 (31 main, 4 rookie, 2 Cat B)

Players out of Contract 2025 (5)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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Key Offseason Dates

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Fri Oct 3 - Fri Oct 10: 2025 Free Agency Period
Mon Oct 6 - Wed Oct 15: 2025 AFL Trade Period
Wed Nov 19 - Thu Nov 20: 2025 AFL Draft

 

[Elite Pete]

Sam Edmund was just spit-balling how Carlton and the Swans could possibly unlock a Charlie Curnow trade and he said 'perhaps they could get West Coast involved and throw their pick 1 or 2 in there and they get back Chad Warner since that's where he wants to be anyway' and I almost shot coffee out of my nose.

It wasn't a serious 'I have intel' comment he was just throwing out a random scenario.

Because imo it makes sense for the Eagles and Swans. Blues maybe also if they really rate Duursma or CDT and happy with what McKay can provide.

Blues can bring in 4 very high draft picks of Jagga, Duursma, Dean and maybe Walker in the space of 3 years.

I’m sure others can be thrown in to even it all out and fit teams needs.

JWill? Florent? AReid? Logan McDonald? BWill?

 

[Barrybran]

Because imo it makes sense for the Eagles and Swans. Blues maybe also if they really rate Duursma or CDT and happy with what McKay can provide.

Blues can bring in 4 very high draft picks of Jagga, Duursma, Dean and maybe Walker in the space of 3 years.

I’m sure others can be thrown in to even it all out and fit teams needs.

JWill? Florent? AReid? Logan McDonald? BWill?

There's a LOT of resistance from Carlton fans elsewhere here. That sounds like exactly what they need.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

There's a LOT of resistance from Carlton fans elsewhere here. That sounds like exactly what they need.

They have retained Voss and presumably other senior people in the football department who have been there for a while. Those people know that another year or two out of the eight and they will be out of a job. If you going to do a turning over of the list to the degree that is being suggested you pretty much have to change off field personel. People who have been there for a while will know that they don't have a clean slate to work with and won't survive more seasons that are less than supporter expectations. They will be resisting the degree of change and the beginning of a rebuild that is being suggested, just as hapenned at our club.

 

[RanaNaved]

Because imo it makes sense for the Eagles and Swans. Blues maybe also if they really rate Duursma or CDT and happy with what McKay can provide.

Blues can bring in 4 very high draft picks of Jagga, Duursma, Dean and maybe Walker in the space of 3 years.

I’m sure others can be thrown in to even it all out and fit teams needs.

JWill? Florent? AReid? Logan McDonald? BWill?

I reckon Archer would almost be untouchable

 

[Barrybran]

They have retained Voss and presumably other senior people in the football department who have been there for a while. Those people know that another year or two out of the eight and they will be out of a job. If you going to do a turning over of the list to the degree that is being suggested you pretty much have to change off field personel. People who have been there for a while will know that they don't have a clean slate to work with and won't survive more seasons that are less than supporter expectations. They will be resisting the degree of change and the beginning of a rebuild that is being suggested, just as hapenned at our club.

That makes sense. I suggested going after their 2026 F1. Maybe it's their 2027 F1 we should be after.

 

[Elite Pete]

I reckon Archer would almost be untouchable

I doubt he’s at that level but would be a lot more than Warner coming back imo. We all know from this years team selections that Mini rates him high.

 

[Elite Pete]

There's a LOT of resistance from Carlton fans elsewhere here. That sounds like exactly what they need.

Yeah, retaining Voss didn’t help that.

Will be interesting to see how Wright looks at the list and how to go forward.

 

[quackish]

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What would be fair price for him? Hawks 2nd?

Try our 4th

 

[WCE777]

Just because of his contract or ability? Personally I'd rather have Livingstone on the list, he puts effort in

totally agree

 

[Peptide Pig]

Why is CDT not that?

I thought mobility, jumping and ground work were his strengths. Can you elaborate.

CDT had more disposals, marks, tackles and 7 more hitouts than Ainsworth in their head to head

Thank you for providing some actual worthwhile data. I’ve seen a lot of negativity around CDT without much substance. “He can’t ruck and is an average forward.”

He has been consistently ranked as the best talent in the open draft pool by people who analyze the draft class every year as a job. Most notably Twomey who is almost never wrong, especially at the top end.

Quite bizarre seeing posters on here going so hard against the experts.

Not only is he the best talent but he plays a position that we struggle badly in, which is the ruck, as much as people want to argue that he isn’t one. We haven’t been able to bring in a competitive mature ruck in recent years and the last time we drafted one with a top pick he served us pretty bloody well for over a decade.

Rucks taken in the top few picks rarely disappoint, Nic Nat and Jackson most notably, even Kruezer was very good when not injured.

I think CDT can impact sooner than most tall draftees or rucks given he relies on his athleticism and mobility more so than size/strength of the usual ‘talls take longer’ types. If his trajectory goes anything like Jackson’s has then great. Plus the new ruck rules will help him.

If Uwland or another elite mid like previous drafts were available and highly rated then that would suit our needs better. But Duursma as a ‘flanker who could become a mid’ is absolutely not what we need and IMO is more chance of being a bust than CDT.

If GC or Sydney come for pick 1 or 2 with Walter or Warner included then it’s a good draft to trade out of given the lack of top end talent and depth plus the academy teams wanting to shuffle picks and points.

If Ess/Rich are super keen on Duursma I would split pick 1 (or 2), take CDT and Sharp then bank the later pick to trade for a mature midfielder. Let Duursma go to a spud VIC club like his siblings.

 

[Peptide Pig]

Erasmus won't leave now, he's finally cracked the team and Fyfe is shuffling off, Brodie unlikely to be their next year.

He's not going anywhere.

With a fit list he is still fringe. Matt Johnson was ahead of him before injury and Young has barely played. He could easily fall out of favour again. Or so we should be telling him before he fully cements himself and his price goes up or we miss out altogether. Dogs would be an odd choice.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Thank you for providing some actual worthwhile data. I’ve seen a lot of negativity around CDT without much substance. “He can’t ruck and is an average forward.”

He has been consistently ranked as the best talent in the open draft pool by people who analyze the draft class every year as a job. Most notably Twomey who is almost never wrong, especially at the top end.

Quite bizarre seeing posters on here going so hard against the experts.

Not only is he the best talent but he plays a position that we struggle badly in, which is the ruck, as much as people want to argue that he isn’t one. We haven’t been able to bring in a competitive mature ruck in recent years and the last time we drafted one with a top pick he served us pretty bloody well for over a decade.

Rucks taken in the top few picks rarely disappoint, Nic Nat and Jackson most notably, even Kruezer was very good when not injured.

I think CDT can impact sooner than most tall draftees or rucks given he relies on his athleticism and mobility more so than size/strength of the usual ‘talls take longer’ types. If his trajectory goes anything like Jackson’s has then great. Plus the new ruck rules will help him.

If Uwland or another elite mid like previous drafts were available and highly rated then that would suit our needs better. But Duursma as a ‘flanker who could become a mid’ is absolutely not what we need and IMO is more chance of being a bust than CDT.

If GC or Sydney come for pick 1 or 2 with Walter or Warner included then it’s a good draft to trade out of given the lack of top end talent and depth plus the academy teams wanting to shuffle picks and points.

If Ess/Rich are super keen on Duursma I would split pick 1 (or 2), take CDT and Sharp then bank the later pick to trade for a mature midfielder. Let Duursma go to a spud VIC club like his siblings.

I tend to agree with everything you've said about CDT, but can't agree with Duursma. He looks a very, very safe pick to me. Projects as elite, and people need to ignore his brothers completely (not that you've mentioned that).

 

[Hasselhough]

I don't think we will get St Kilda's first this year under any circumstances. That would be very hard for them to sell to their supporter base. But i think we could maybe get their F1. Maybe with something extra going back to them. Lyon won't care about next years draft picks, he is focussed on the here and now to save his career. And it would be easier to sell to their supporters. A bit like buy now, pay later. The pain comes later so the average supporter puts it out of their mind a bit and it is easier to swallow in the moment that the trade is done. I would definately try for that. The worst that can happen is they say No.

Nah if it helps saints get all their targeted players and still retain a round 1 pick to get the other phillipou who is rated 15-20 then they will be happy

Wce out 13 ryan F3
For 7 44 steele

Saints then trade their F1 for Flanders

Saints then use 13 on phillipou

Could be Marshall to Geelong, Geelong 1st to hawks , cam makenzie to saints

They have an off season of de Koning , flanders , Ryan , Mackenzie, phillipou f3wce

For 9 44 F1stk steel and Marshall

 

[Hasselhough]

Warner was confident that Sydney would back up and play in the GF when he resigned but this season has punched him in the face and he can see that it will be a few more years before Sydney are anywhere near a GF ..

Warner is still closer than we are to a premiership at the swans especially with curnow over the next 2 years .

 

[Hasselhough]

Ask yourself why the great hope has to be "white?"

If you can't understand why that's questionable then you just don't want to.

Now you know the provenance of the saying, would you still use it? The answer days something about you.

Holy shit this thread is full of Karens

 

[Altum Volantes]

With a fit list he is still fringe. Matt Johnson was ahead of him before injury and Young has barely played. He could easily fall out of favour again. Or so we should be telling him before he fully cements himself and his price goes up or we miss out altogether. Dogs would be an odd choice.

That isn't how these guys think though - now is not the time for him to bail out of Freo.

He'll stay, without too much fuss I would imagine.

 

[Peptide Pig]

I tend to agree with everything you've said about CDT, but can't agree with Duursma. He looks a very, very safe pick to me. Projects as elite, and people need to ignore his brothers completely (not that you've mentioned that).

Duursma will probably still be good. I just think positionally taking a ruck and an inside mid over a HBF/utility makes sense for us. If taking Duursma meant missing out on Sharp I would rather split. But there is always the ‘best available’ argument.

I could see Duursma thriving in a team that already has all the other pieces, like Gold Coast or like Curtin has at Adelaide. I reckon it would be hard going for him in our current side, unless we already have significant midfield reinforcements lined up via trade.

All speculation of course and I rated Goddard highly as a player so if those comparisons turn out to be accurate then good luck to him.

 

[Hasselhough]

Not a noticable upgrade on Flynn or BW.

Id rather run with what we have again, other clubs will be into Reeves, driving up his price a little bit too.

If they make the rules suit jumping/mobile ruckmen id be happy to run with BW + Archer next year

Carlton trying to get Liam Reidy for back up to pittonet.

We should be trying to get him as a cheap first ruck option whilst shopping bailey williams around

 

[Wet Toast Rule]

If we go
1. Duursma
2. CDT

then we need to somehow upgrade the Hawks pick in order to take a top mid in the first 5-7 picks - eg Cummings / Sharp

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

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What would be fair price for him? Hawks 2nd?

Pick 1.

In the PSD.

 

[RanaNaved]

Thank you for providing some actual worthwhile data. I’ve seen a lot of negativity around CDT without much substance. “He can’t ruck and is an average forward.”

He has been consistently ranked as the best talent in the open draft pool by people who analyze the draft class every year as a job. Most notably Twomey who is almost never wrong, especially at the top end.

Quite bizarre seeing posters on here going so hard against the experts.

Not only is he the best talent but he plays a position that we struggle badly in, which is the ruck, as much as people want to argue that he isn’t one. We haven’t been able to bring in a competitive mature ruck in recent years and the last time we drafted one with a top pick he served us pretty bloody well for over a decade.

Rucks taken in the top few picks rarely disappoint, Nic Nat and Jackson most notably, even Kruezer was very good when not injured.

I think CDT can impact sooner than most tall draftees or rucks given he relies on his athleticism and mobility more so than size/strength of the usual ‘talls take longer’ types. If his trajectory goes anything like Jackson’s has then great. Plus the new ruck rules will help him.

If Uwland or another elite mid like previous drafts were available and highly rated then that would suit our needs better. But Duursma as a ‘flanker who could become a mid’ is absolutely not what we need and IMO is more chance of being a bust than CDT.

If GC or Sydney come for pick 1 or 2 with Walter or Warner included then it’s a good draft to trade out of given the lack of top end talent and depth plus the academy teams wanting to shuffle picks and points.

If Ess/Rich are super keen on Duursma I would split pick 1 (or 2), take CDT and Sharp then bank the later pick to trade for a mature midfielder. Let Duursma go to a spud VIC club like his siblings.

I don't get it either. My guess is a lot of people on here have heard or known about Sharp for a lot longer, and have developed a bit of an emotional connection to him in some ways, and CDT praise is seen as a slight against Sharp or something......I dunno, maybe I'm over thinking it, but there is a huge disparity between the vast majority and this board when it comes to his standing

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Duursma will probably still be good. I just think positionally taking a ruck and an inside mid over a HBF/utility makes sense for us. If taking Duursma meant missing out on Sharp I would rather split. But there is always the ‘best available’ argument.

I could see Duursma thriving in a team that already has all the other pieces, like Gold Coast or like Curtin has at Adelaide. I reckon it would be hard going for him in our current side, unless we already have significant midfield reinforcements lined up via trade.

All speculation of course and I rated Goddard highly as a player so if those comparisons turn out to be accurate then good luck to him.

Fair points mate, can't necessarily argue with that. Time will tell in the end I guess.

I think people on this board might be getting a teeeeny bit hung up on Sharp, he's very very good in his position but I do wonder how high his ceiling will be in the AFL. He's also fairly limited.

For me personally, (assuming we manage to manufacture another pick inside the top 10) I would rather we go Duursma, CDT and then someone like Cumming, Greeves or even Phillipou...rather than missing one of Duursma or CDT for Sharp.

Also reckon there's a good chance that if we land a third pick inside the top 10 (no later than 7) that Sharp could still fall to us. Who knows how it will all go. I'll be happy either way I reckon. Many people here will disagree with me

 

[Smotie2]

Nah if it helps saints get all their targeted players and still retain a round 1 pick to get the other phillipou who is rated 15-20 then they will be happy

Wce out 13 ryan F3
For 7 44 steele

Saints then trade their F1 for Flanders

Saints then use 13 on phillipou

Could be Marshall to Geelong, Geelong 1st to hawks , cam makenzie to saints

They have an off season of de Koning , flanders , Ryan , Mackenzie, phillipou f3wce

For 9 44 F1stk steel and Marshall

Thos would be epic for us

 

[Peptide Pig]

Warner is still closer than we are to a premiership at the swans especially with curnow over the next 2 years .

But the question is how to they land Curnow without giving up a decent player? They need points for academy kids this year and next so don’t have the picks to satisfy Carlton. Maybe the Blues would accept pick 1 or 2 which is where we get brought in. Swans have a good midfield but woeful key forwards so could they afford to lose Chad?

If they finish high on the ladder in 2 years time and Chad leaves as a FA they will only get a late first so maybe getting a gun key forward now is preferable. Would be a big call having just signed him so might have to come from Chad if he has reassessed after a poor year. Seems unlikely

 

[eaglevision]

If we go
1. Duursma
2. CDT

then we need to somehow upgrade the Hawks pick in order to take a top mid in the first 5-7 picks - eg Cummings / Sharp

Tigers looking to sell pick 4, Bombers likely to offer 5 and 6 for 1 and 13, GCS will sell pick 7, Ryan and 13 may get us pick 8.