List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 2

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Harley Reid extends to 2028

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List Changes - 2025

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• Oscar Allen advises intention to explore Free Agency
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle
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  Jack Petruccelle

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  83kg

  Pos.

  Fwd

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.2

  2star

  K

  6.2

  2star

  HB

  3.0

  3star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  G

  1.0

  4star

  D

  6.7

  1star

  K

  4.0

  1star

  HB

  2.7

  2star

  M

  1.7

  2star

  T

  1.3

  2star

  G

  0.7

  4star

  D

  7.8

  2star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  3.2

  3star

  M

  2.8

  3star

  T

  1.6

  4star

  G

  0.6

  3star

  , Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Liam Ryan has requested a trade to St Kilda but is contracted for 2026
• Campbell Chesser (uncontracted) has requested a trade to Carlton
• List would be 37 (31 main, 4 rookie, 2 Cat B)

Players out of Contract 2025 (5)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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Key Offseason Dates

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Fri Oct 3 - Fri Oct 10: 2025 Free Agency Period
Mon Oct 6 - Wed Oct 15: 2025 AFL Trade Period
Wed Nov 19 - Thu Nov 20: 2025 AFL Draft

 

[stallon]

If he’s a pure midfielder then he would be ranked way down as too big and not agile enough against the real mids.

A pure midfielder who can ruck? whether its backup ruck, 50/50 or main ruck that would still be an incredible asset

 

[WCE777]

My biggest bug bear with your constant praise of CDT is that you cant see any of his flaws OR simply don't want to.
Any time you refute the criticism regarding him , you reply with a glib one liner, but never bother to give a more detailed reply.

How I see and rate the two player is as below.


CDT

His ground work and mobility are elite for a player his height plus he has a very good tank, both these attributes allow him to accumulate possessions numbers that are very impressive for a tall.

However I see two areas of real concern in his game and they are :

1. Ruck Work.

His ruck work is average, not diabolical but certainly nowhere near the level that I would be looking for, in a ruck prospect thats being taken so highly in the draft as you are proposing.
He competes and always given an effort but there were times in the Championships were he struggled against players who had a better ruck craft than he does.
He seems to have been far more impactful in the ruck in the Coates league than he was in the Championships and thats a concern.
When a player comes up against the best in his position, in the country, in his cohort and is touted as a top two draft pick in the draft, I would expect to see him at least soundly beat, if not dominate, his opponents in the contests.

2. Overhead Marking.

His overhead marking for a guy 200cm tall is also nothing special and while he positions himself well, he often fails to hold onto his overhead marks, his chest marking he is fine.
I first noticed this in the Coates League and then in the Championships.
The times when he did out mark defenders they were in the 191 - 194 height range. I took particular note of his game against Sandringham in the VFL and I though he struggled to have much of an impact in the overhead contested marking situations.
Acknowledged that he did kick three goals, two of which were as a result of his key point of difference, that being his ground ball work.
Whereas in the VFL he struggled badly to hold his ground in the marking contests against bigger defenders, as in more solid defenders, but no where near the height of the KPD that he will be against in the AFL.
I fail to see the talk of him at least being a good KPF as a second string to his bow in the AFL, it IMO just doesn't equate with what he has done and shown thus far.

By comparison Shanahan, in the VFL last year managed a to hold his marks and kick goals, see below his two games stats:

8 kicks 3 handballs 11 marks 2 goals 3 - against Gold coast
5 kicks 4 handballs 09 marks 5 goals 0 - against Coburg

Now maybe I am being harsh but a KPF / Ruck proposition thats being talked of as a prospective Number 1 pick, i'm sorry his production just doesn't stack up adequately to warrant such a high pick IMO.

Posters talk about how both his ruck craft and overhead marking can be developed once he is in an AFL system, sure there is some truth to that, as none of these kids are the finished product.
However the gap between where he currently is and where he needs to be, to be competitive in the AFL, are a long way apart.
If we talent bank him and put two - three years work into him, he MAY rise to the heights that we would hope for in a top 3 draft pick, but there is no guarantees.

Is a raw developing KPF/Ruck an immediate need for our list, It is but I would rather we take that player latter in the draft, someone like Ainsworth, Emmett, Murray or Harding.

CDT is a good kid also a good draft prospect that will go early, I just don't see him as a good fit for our needs right now.




Now to Sharp.

Sharp's shortcomings to his game are he lacks genuine pace and after he weaves his elite talent of being a ball extractor at the coal face, he isn't as hurtful around the ground as some of the better midfielders are, so acknowledged.

The other concern with him is just how much improvement does he have in his game, it's a valid concern, I can see that.

However I can also see a players who's skillset plays next year and makes an immediate contribution to our team.
He has had some really good games in the Central Districts seniors and he also has had some quieter ones too.
But he has not embarrassed himself or looked out of place in the seniors either.

One thing that is undeniable is that for two years in a row, he has dominated in his position against his cohort from across the country at both Under 16 and Under 18 levels.
He is consistent when playing against his cohort and consistency is an often under ratted quality in assessing talent.

Do I ever see him becoming a Brownlow medalist ? - NO, I don't, do I see him becoming a player in the mould of a Tom Liberatore ? - YES I do, and right where West Coast are at the minute, with our midfield depth, or lack thereof, a Liberatore type would be a God Send and improve us instantly.

Now you can by all means disagree with my opinions, no drama there, but the notion of me only liking the kid simply because I have seen more of him playing and therefore have an emotional attachment to him, is off the mark.

I try to see all the kids production amongst their cohort, and then try and project if they could hold that sort of form line going forward at the next level.

I see it with Sharp.

totally agree

 

[KERRPOW]

Why on earth are the dogs looking at Erasmus? Are they short on mids or something?

Unlock this trade by getting West coast involved.

Pick 1 for the bont.

 

[garlic munchers]

My biggest bug bear with your constant praise of CDT is that you cant see any of his flaws OR simply don't want to.
Any time you refute the criticism regarding him , you reply with a glib one liner, but never bother to give a more detailed reply.

How I see and rate the two player is as below.


CDT

His ground work and mobility are elite for a player his height plus he has a very good tank, both these attributes allow him to accumulate possessions numbers that are very impressive for a tall.

However I see two areas of real concern in his game and they are :

1. Ruck Work.

His ruck work is average, not diabolical but certainly nowhere near the level that I would be looking for, in a ruck prospect thats being taken so highly in the draft as you are proposing.
He competes and always given an effort but there were times in the Championships were he struggled against players who had a better ruck craft than he does.
He seems to have been far more impactful in the ruck in the Coates league than he was in the Championships and thats a concern.
When a player comes up against the best in his position, in the country, in his cohort and is touted as a top two draft pick in the draft, I would expect to see him at least soundly beat, if not dominate, his opponents in the contests.

2. Overhead Marking.

His overhead marking for a guy 200cm tall is also nothing special and while he positions himself well, he often fails to hold onto his overhead marks, his chest marking he is fine.
I first noticed this in the Coates League and then in the Championships.
The times when he did out mark defenders they were in the 191 - 194 height range. I took particular note of his game against Sandringham in the VFL and I though he struggled to have much of an impact in the overhead contested marking situations.
Acknowledged that he did kick three goals, two of which were as a result of his key point of difference, that being his ground ball work.
Whereas in the VFL he struggled badly to hold his ground in the marking contests against bigger defenders, as in more solid defenders, but no where near the height of the KPD that he will be against in the AFL.
I fail to see the talk of him at least being a good KPF as a second string to his bow in the AFL, it IMO just doesn't equate with what he has done and shown thus far.

By comparison Shanahan, in the VFL last year managed a to hold his marks and kick goals, see below his two games stats:

8 kicks 3 handballs 11 marks 2 goals 3 - against Gold coast
5 kicks 4 handballs 09 marks 5 goals 0 - against Coburg

Now maybe I am being harsh but a KPF / Ruck proposition thats being talked of as a prospective Number 1 pick, i'm sorry his production just doesn't stack up adequately to warrant such a high pick IMO.

Posters talk about how both his ruck craft and overhead marking can be developed once he is in an AFL system, sure there is some truth to that, as none of these kids are the finished product.
However the gap between where he currently is and where he needs to be, to be competitive in the AFL, are a long way apart.
If we talent bank him and put two - three years work into him, he MAY rise to the heights that we would hope for in a top 3 draft pick, but there is no guarantees.

Is a raw developing KPF/Ruck an immediate need for our list, It is but I would rather we take that player latter in the draft, someone like Ainsworth, Emmett, Murray or Harding.

CDT is a good kid also a good draft prospect that will go early, I just don't see him as a good fit for our needs right now.




Now to Sharp.

Sharp's shortcomings to his game are he lacks genuine pace and after he weaves his elite talent of being a ball extractor at the coal face, he isn't as hurtful around the ground as some of the better midfielders are, so acknowledged.

The other concern with him is just how much improvement does he have in his game, it's a valid concern, I can see that.

However I can also see a players who's skillset plays next year and makes an immediate contribution to our team.
He has had some really good games in the Central Districts seniors and he also has had some quieter ones too.
But he has not embarrassed himself or looked out of place in the seniors either.

One thing that is undeniable is that for two years in a row, he has dominated in his position against his cohort from across the country at both Under 16 and Under 18 levels.
He is consistent when playing against his cohort and consistency is an often under ratted quality in assessing talent.

Do I ever see him becoming a Brownlow medalist ? - NO, I don't, do I see him becoming a player in the mould of a Tom Liberatore ? - YES I do, and right where West Coast are at the minute, with our midfield depth, or lack thereof, a Liberatore type would be a God Send and improve us instantly.

Now you can by all means disagree with my opinions, no drama there, but the notion of me only liking the kid simply because I have seen more of him playing and therefore have an emotional attachment to him, is off the mark.

I try to see all the kids production amongst their cohort, and then try and project if they could hold that sort of form line going forward at the next level.

I see it with Sharp.

Sharp = Liberatore or Matt Crouch?

Speed kills and unfortunately in that respect, we’ve had very little of it and a crouch is the last thing we need.

If we pick Sharp and he’s any good then Hall’s career as the 2nd slow inside extractor banana looks shaky.

Can’t play 2 of them.

 

[ghostbat12]

Is it possible he's being pigeonholed as a Ruck/KPF due to his height but he could (potentially) be a pure midfielder, all be it, a very tall one?

when I think of these sorts of thing, I always fall back to a quote from Clint Eastwood in Trouble with the Curve: "You want to use pick 1 on a development prospect?". Something like that.

basically you want the sure thing. if sharp turned out like liberatore (but a sure thing), that would be a win, even it CDT ends up like Jackson.

 

[twce13]

I like sharp but I honestly get the feeling west coast won’t pick him. I don’t think we will take CDT either tho.

If we hold onto 1 I can’t see us not taking duursma but pick 2 im not sure.

 

[bzparkes]

I like sharp but I honestly get the feeling west coast won’t pick him. I don’t think we will take CDT either tho.

If we hold onto 1 I can’t see us not taking duursma but pick 2 im not sure.

Yeah, I can just see us passing on picks 1 & 2, tbh.

 

[beagles]

My biggest bug bear with your constant praise of CDT is that you cant see any of his flaws OR simply don't want to.
Any time you refute the criticism regarding him , you reply with a glib one liner, but never bother to give a more detailed reply.

How I see and rate the two player is as below.


CDT

His ground work and mobility are elite for a player his height plus he has a very good tank, both these attributes allow him to accumulate possessions numbers that are very impressive for a tall.

However I see two areas of real concern in his game and they are :

1. Ruck Work.

His ruck work is average, not diabolical but certainly nowhere near the level that I would be looking for, in a ruck prospect thats being taken so highly in the draft as you are proposing.
He competes and always given an effort but there were times in the Championships were he struggled against players who had a better ruck craft than he does.
He seems to have been far more impactful in the ruck in the Coates league than he was in the Championships and thats a concern.
When a player comes up against the best in his position, in the country, in his cohort and is touted as a top two draft pick in the draft, I would expect to see him at least soundly beat, if not dominate, his opponents in the contests.

2. Overhead Marking.

His overhead marking for a guy 200cm tall is also nothing special and while he positions himself well, he often fails to hold onto his overhead marks, his chest marking he is fine.
I first noticed this in the Coates League and then in the Championships.
The times when he did out mark defenders they were in the 191 - 194 height range. I took particular note of his game against Sandringham in the VFL and I though he struggled to have much of an impact in the overhead contested marking situations.
Acknowledged that he did kick three goals, two of which were as a result of his key point of difference, that being his ground ball work.
Whereas in the VFL he struggled badly to hold his ground in the marking contests against bigger defenders, as in more solid defenders, but no where near the height of the KPD that he will be against in the AFL.
I fail to see the talk of him at least being a good KPF as a second string to his bow in the AFL, it IMO just doesn't equate with what he has done and shown thus far.

By comparison Shanahan, in the VFL last year managed a to hold his marks and kick goals, see below his two games stats:

8 kicks 3 handballs 11 marks 2 goals 3 - against Gold coast
5 kicks 4 handballs 09 marks 5 goals 0 - against Coburg

Now maybe I am being harsh but a KPF / Ruck proposition thats being talked of as a prospective Number 1 pick, i'm sorry his production just doesn't stack up adequately to warrant such a high pick IMO.

Posters talk about how both his ruck craft and overhead marking can be developed once he is in an AFL system, sure there is some truth to that, as none of these kids are the finished product.
However the gap between where he currently is and where he needs to be, to be competitive in the AFL, are a long way apart.
If we talent bank him and put two - three years work into him, he MAY rise to the heights that we would hope for in a top 3 draft pick, but there is no guarantees.

Is a raw developing KPF/Ruck an immediate need for our list, It is but I would rather we take that player latter in the draft, someone like Ainsworth, Emmett, Murray or Harding.

CDT is a good kid also a good draft prospect that will go early, I just don't see him as a good fit for our needs right now.




Now to Sharp.

Sharp's shortcomings to his game are he lacks genuine pace and after he weaves his elite talent of being a ball extractor at the coal face, he isn't as hurtful around the ground as some of the better midfielders are, so acknowledged.

The other concern with him is just how much improvement does he have in his game, it's a valid concern, I can see that.

However I can also see a players who's skillset plays next year and makes an immediate contribution to our team.
He has had some really good games in the Central Districts seniors and he also has had some quieter ones too.
But he has not embarrassed himself or looked out of place in the seniors either.

One thing that is undeniable is that for two years in a row, he has dominated in his position against his cohort from across the country at both Under 16 and Under 18 levels.
He is consistent when playing against his cohort and consistency is an often under ratted quality in assessing talent.

Do I ever see him becoming a Brownlow medalist ? - NO, I don't, do I see him becoming a player in the mould of a Tom Liberatore ? - YES I do, and right where West Coast are at the minute, with our midfield depth, or lack thereof, a Liberatore type would be a God Send and improve us instantly.

Now you can by all means disagree with my opinions, no drama there, but the notion of me only liking the kid simply because I have seen more of him playing and therefore have an emotional attachment to him, is off the mark.

I try to see all the kids production amongst their cohort, and then try and project if they could hold that sort of form line going forward at the next level.

I see it with Sharp.

Yes, you are being a bit harsh on CDT.

 

[twce13]

Yeah, I can just see us passing on picks 1 & 2, tbh.

In all seriousness tho, I’m expecting a curve ball @ pick 2 someone like grlj I reckon is a west coast type pick.

 

[beagles]

Yeah, I can just see us passing on picks 1 & 2, tbh.

After last year, who knows. I thought pick 3 was a sure thing but alas no.

 

[beagles]

You would think that at least 3 top 10 pick are traded out or up.

GC pick 6
St Kilda pick 7
Carlton TDK comp pick 9
Sydney pick 9/10

So far three clear draft candidates not tied to other clubs

Trade period will change a lot so holding onto picks 1 & 2 is a priority and we have other picks and Ryan to trade up with. Maybe even some assistance picks.
A lot to play out yet and finals

 

[Bacchus]

If we go
1. Duursma
2. CDT

then we need to somehow upgrade the Hawks pick in order to take a top mid in the first 5-7 picks - eg Cummings / Sharp

Why would we take CDT?

 

[ArdentEagle]

when I think of these sorts of thing, I always fall back to a quote from Clint Eastwood in Trouble with the Curve: "You want to use pick 1 on a development prospect?". Something like that.

basically you want the sure thing. if sharp turned out like liberatore (but a sure thing), that would be a win, even it CDT ends up like Jackson.

No I don't mate, It was a question, not a statement.

I'm probably in the minority on here but I'd take Duursma at 1 (and Sharp with OA pick)

 

[beagles]

And 2026 draft, zone, trade and competition rules, including ruck changes.

Yeah..changes coming soon

 

[Peptide Pig]

You’re not planning on becoming a regular around here are you?

Nah more of a FIFO operator each year come trade period. I’ve never noticed a little ghost floating around to be honest but don’t take it personally, I’m sure you’ve provided some great content somewhere amongst your 5000 posts. Throw enough darts etc

 

[The_Reaper]

A pure midfielder who can ruck? whether its backup ruck, 50/50 or main ruck that would still be an incredible asset

We will call this position the ruck rover

 

[Hasselhough]

I don't get it either. My guess is a lot of people on here have heard or known about Sharp for a lot longer, and have developed a bit of an emotional connection to him in some ways, and CDT praise is seen as a slight against Sharp or something......I dunno, maybe I'm over thinking it, but there is a huge disparity between the vast majority and this board when it comes to his standing

1 player has dominated every league and tournament he has been in growing up and is exactly what we need .

The other is tall

 

[Hook461123]

Sharp = Liberatore or Matt Crouch?

Speed kills and unfortunately in that respect, we’ve had very little of it and a crouch is the last thing we need.

If we pick Sharp and he’s any good then Hall’s career as the 2nd slow inside extractor banana looks shaky.

Can’t play 2 of them.

Sharp is a lot better than Hall. I’m not sure Hall will make it. Maybe as depth but he’s not really elite at anything.

Libba would be pretty handy. Don’t see how that’s a bad thing. Plus Sharp is pretty good above his head which I don’t think Libba has in his game.
He’s also been compared to Rowell and Green.

We need someone who can go from contest to contest, compete, win clearances and not be a liability defensively.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I like sharp but I honestly get the feeling west coast won’t pick him.

Mate DON'T SAY THAT, BECAUSE THAT IRRITATES ME, AND I PUNCH BLOKES IN THE MOUTH FOR SAYING THAT!

 

[Hasselhough]

You haven’t noticed before now?

They all seem to come out of the wood work when virtue signalling needs to be done

 

[wadistance]

Sharp = Liberatore or Matt Crouch?

Speed kills and unfortunately in that respect, we’ve had very little of it and a crouch is the last thing we need.

If we pick Sharp and he’s any good then Hall’s career as the 2nd slow inside extractor banana looks shaky.

Can’t play 2 of them.

We don’t need to consider appeasing Hall if Sharp is an undeniably better version

 

[WCEswift]

just fyi Schubert, sharp and dougie cochrane all playing tomorrow in the sanfl elim final around 10 our time on 7+

 

[Hasselhough]

We don’t need to consider appeasing Hall if Sharp is an undeniably better version

hall isn't great as an extractor and he is also poor with his kicking on the outside . Probably tagger at best

He wouldn't even be played in a team with a reasonable midfield

 

[Hangover Noir]

when I think of these sorts of thing, I always fall back to a quote from Clint Eastwood in Trouble with the Curve: "You want to use pick 1 on a development prospect?". Something like that.

basically you want the sure thing. if sharp turned out like liberatore (but a sure thing), that would be a win, even it CDT ends up like Jackson.

Good movie

 

[eagles rule]

Why would we take CDT?

NicNat replacement.