Diet and nutrition

[JHF1870]

Family getting take out tonight at Fasta Pasta. Mpst meals over 4k kj

Already had 2200kj. 7600kj abs max max.

Problem is the carbs

 

[Jugada]

Family getting take out tonight at Fasta Pasta. Mpst meals over 4k kj

Already had 2200kj. 7600kj abs max max.

Problem is the carbs

What's wrong with it being carbs?

 

[JHF1870]

What's wrong with it being carbs?

I Am aiming for 120g protein. I'm 2400kj and 40g protein in

 

[Jugada]

I Am aiming for 120g protein. I'm 2400kj and 40g protein in

Id just throw in a protein drink to boost it. Can get 30g protein for 550kj pretty easy and that seems like it would end up close enough

 

[JHF1870]

Id just throw in a protein drink to boost it. Can get 30g protein for 550kj pretty easy and that seems like it would end up close enough

I think the pasta dishes are 5500. 15g protein possibly. Ends up

2400
5500
550
8450. Too high. Ive done about 700 to 800 workout but that was factored into my 7600
And no workout yesterday so already over

 

[Jugada]

I think the pasta dishes are 5500. 15g protein possibly. Ends up

2400
5500
550
8450. Too high. Ive done about 700 to 800 workout but that was factored into my 7600
And no workout yesterday so already over

I personally don't get too worked up over hitting day to day marks. Its like 200 cals over your limit so just eat 50 cals less over the next few days and it will all come out the same in the wash

 

[JHF1870]

I personally don't get too worked up over hitting day to day marks. Its like 200 cals over your limit so just eat 50 cals less over the next few days and it will all come out the same in the wash

NGL, it's ****ing hard mostly mentally trying to cut.

I went through a stage where I was so indecisive that I was hovering around 77kg because I couldn't make up my mind on whether to bulk or cut. Then I winged it to 68kg then found I was losing muscle and putting it back on going through an infinite cycle of going nowhere.

Then I got serious tracked my intake and I've slowly lost about .3kg per week in weight to 65.5kg. I can't work out the most optimal strategy to go 13-15% bodyfat.

Do I keep pushing hard, inevitable lose some minor muscle. Get to the target. I think somewhere about 61-62KG.

Then go on a slow and steady bulk.

Or do I keep pushing slowly and steadily in which I may just be keeping my muscle neutral but push the process out for 2-3 months.

I kind of want to just get to the target then bulk.

 

[JHF1870]

Went the Tortellini Alla Pana so only 3900kj. Room to move

 

[Jugada]

NGL, it's ****ing hard mostly mentally trying to cut.

I went through a stage where I was so indecisive that I was hovering around 77kg because I couldn't make up my mind on whether to bulk or cut. Then I winged it to 68kg then found I was losing muscle and putting it back on going through an infinite cycle of going nowhere.

Then I got serious tracked my intake and I've slowly lost about .3kg per week in weight to 65.5kg. I can't work out the most optimal strategy to go 13-15% bodyfat.

Do I keep pushing hard, inevitable lose some minor muscle. Get to the target. I think somewhere about 61-62KG.

Then go on a slow and steady bulk.

Or do I keep pushing slowly and steadily in which I may just be keeping my muscle neutral but push the process out for 2-3 months.

I kind of want to just get to the target then bulk.

It doesn't really make any sense to want to cut to 15% body fat then to go straight into a bulk. Like what is the goal? Im a assuming to build some decent muscle mass at a reasonably lean body fat %?

Unless you are overweight (which obviously not) then building the muscle should be stage one if building muscle mass is part of the end goal

 

[JHF1870]

It doesn't really make any sense to want to cut to 15% body fat then to go straight into a bulk. Like what is the goal? Im a assuming to build some decent muscle mass at a reasonably lean body fat %?

Unless you are overweight (which obviously not) then building the muscle should be stage one if building muscle mass is part of the end goal

I want to be lean first

 

[Running_Lifter86]

NGL, it's ****ing hard mostly mentally trying to cut.

I went through a stage where I was so indecisive that I was hovering around 77kg because I couldn't make up my mind on whether to bulk or cut. Then I winged it to 68kg then found I was losing muscle and putting it back on going through an infinite cycle of going nowhere.

Then I got serious tracked my intake and I've slowly lost about .3kg per week in weight to 65.5kg. I can't work out the most optimal strategy to go 13-15% bodyfat.

Do I keep pushing hard, inevitable lose some minor muscle. Get to the target. I think somewhere about 61-62KG.

Then go on a slow and steady bulk.

Or do I keep pushing slowly and steadily in which I may just be keeping my muscle neutral but push the process out for 2-3 months.

I kind of want to just get to the target then bulk.

All i will say is, been there done that, dissecting macros and trying to hit protein goals and not go over calories, you miss the fun of eating food. I have competed in natural bodybuilding shows 10 years ago and i came out of that with a borderline eating disorder, definitely and unhealthy relationship with food. I would say this has slowly dissipated in the last 7-8 years.

There is nothing wrong with trying to be lean, but don't let it be such a big factor in your life choices.

And if you do want to diet right down to a desired body weight, maximise protein intake and stick to the plan, but unless you are taking steroids or the like then loss of muscle mass is inevitable.

 

[JHF1870]

All i will say is, been there done that, dissecting macros and trying to hit protein goals and not go over calories, you miss the fun of eating food. I have competed in natural bodybuilding shows 10 years ago and i came out of that with a borderline eating disorder, definitely and unhealthy relationship with food. I would say this has slowly dissipated in the last 7-8 years.

There is nothing wrong with trying to be lean, but don't let it be such a big factor in your life choices.

And if you do want to diet right down to a desired body weight, maximise protein intake and stick to the plan, but unless you are taking steroids or the like then loss of muscle mass is inevitable.

Guy here now at my gym 100% natty. I know him. Hes lean. Id like to get to that. Hes certainly not huge but like as lean as bailey fritsch but slightly more muscle

 

[the_interloper]

It doesn't really make any sense to want to cut to 15% body fat then to go straight into a bulk. Like what is the goal? Im a assuming to build some decent muscle mass at a reasonably lean body fat %?

Unless you are overweight (which obviously not) then building the muscle should be stage one if building muscle mass is part of the end goal

Yeah really depends on your goals for sure. I lost a lot of weight when I joined my current gym, wasn't part of the plan but was ok with it obviously. I'm fairly lean, arms reasonably toned but not big, i train with a guy who reckons I should do weights and get bigger, my question is "why?" I don't give a **** tbh, just trying to stay healthier.

 

[Jugada]

Yeah really depends on your goals for sure. I lost a lot of weight when I joined my current gym, wasn't part of the plan but was ok with it obviously. I'm fairly lean, arms reasonably toned but not big, i train with a guy who reckons I should do weights and get bigger, my question is "why?" I don't give a **** tbh, just trying to stay healthier.

Do as you want but if the goal was to bulk as soon as you get really lean then I would still question what is the point. If part of your end goal is more muscle mass it would be simpler getting some muscle first

 

[the_interloper]

Do as you want but if the goal was to bulk as soon as you get really lean then I would still question what is the point. If part of your end goal is more muscle mass it would be simpler getting some muscle first

I have no idea about building muscle tbh so I'll take your word for it. I have no real idea about fitness or anything, I just go to classes and do what I'm told ha ha

 

[phantom13]

Guy here now at my gym 100% natty. I know him. Hes lean. Id like to get to that. Hes certainly not huge but like as lean as bailey fritsch but slightly more muscle

Do you mean Bailey Smith?

Fritsch looks like hes never seen the inside of a gym TBH.

 

[JHF1870]

Do you mean Bailey Smith?

Fritsch looks like hes never seen the inside of a gym TBH.

I meant lean wise. But more muscle. This guy is in leaner shape than most players

 

[JHF1870]

Do as you want but if the goal was to bulk as soon as you get really lean then I would still question what is the point. If part of your end goal is more muscle mass it would be simpler getting some muscle first

I Did that and wasnt getting much bigger

 

[Jugada]

Bailey Fritsch be pumped with being someone's gym goals

 

[phantom13]

I meant lean wise. But more muscle. This guy is in leaner shape than most players

I dont even know if fritsch is lean TBH, slightly weird model IMO.

 

[Jugada]

I Did that and wasnt getting much bigger

For how long?

 

[Running_Lifter86]

I meant lean wise. But more muscle. This guy is in leaner shape than most players

Again whilst it is good to have a goal or inspiration, everyone's genetic make up is different, muscle insertions, body fat levels and where it is stored etc. Best just to set your own goals and work towards them. (from experience the leanest i ever was, it was almost the most miserable i have been)

But i would say, pick your goal to lose body fat or build muscle, (you chase two rabbits you can none).

 

[phantom13]

Again whilst it is good to have a goal or inspiration, everyone's genetic make up is different, muscle insertions, body fat levels and where it is stored etc. Best just to set your own goals and work towards them. (from experience the leanest i ever was, it was almost the most miserable i have been)

But i would say, pick your goal to lose body fat or build muscle, (you chase two rabbits you can none).

I was a calorie tracker when i was playing footy and havent since then (22).

I reckon you sort of get to a point if youre an active and engaged person where you know what your body needs and legitimately sometimes thats some fat and sugar etc.

Ive been as lean as 9% (with good muscle mass) and i was generally pretty tired and hungry and sore, sleep patterns werent great etc.

My best gains have come in recent years being totally on feel for diet and even working out (i take rest days when needed).

 

[phantom13]

Unless youre going elite level anything (or are a total noob on the information) you can tell alot just by listening to your body.

 

[Running_Lifter86]

I was a calorie tracker when i was playing footy and havent since then (22).

I reckon you sort of get to a point if youre an active and engaged person where you know what your body needs and legitimately sometimes thats some fat and sugar etc.

Ive been as lean as 9% (with good muscle mass) and i was generally pretty tired and hungry and sore, sleep patterns werent great etc.

My best gains have come in recent years being totally on feel for diet and even working out (i take rest days when needed).

Tracking can be a useful tool, after doing it for a while i am pretty good at sizing out portions, also keeping a consistent eating routine i usually stay pretty close to ideal macros, i've pretty much kept my weight consistently around 80kg since the end 2021 (post covid)

Being more a of runner these days, carb intake is higher,