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notliondown said:
Yeah you are right but it makes no sense. Xi has a businessman in a photo of leaders? Nah, he knew the publicity this would stir here... and around the world, by having an Aussie there. It was calculated.

I don't doubt Andrews lapped up the attention and was happy to oblige because he's naive and not the sharpest tool but he's not in that pic cause he's a good bloke.
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News cycle moves on quickly.

The legitimacy that image gives his business carries on.

That’s how I see it anyway.
 
notliondown said:
I don't understand what the message is that having an ex Premier stand amongst world leaders sends... although nothing happens by accident with Xi. If the Maga cultists think Trump plays Chess then Xi plays a game yet to be invented. But having Andrews stand there is like a pre-schooler standing in the seniors photo.

Personally I don't see China as the big bad enemy that others do. It makes no sense on so many levels, and I suspect a huge part of the rhetoric over the last 30 years is driven in a very large part by the US military market needing a fallback bad guy behind the Arabs. Scott Morrisons meaningless utterings recently provide more evidence of that.

The bigger issue is China's tacit support of rouge regimes like Putin and Kim. The reality is that a huge part of that is driven by trade.

The power play between China and the US is the thing that creates this idiotic tension and countries choosing sides. And there's no doubt there's been a power shift through nothing other than Trumps brainless economic agenda. The US is the more likely at this point to do something stupid which is not something most saw coming.

The impotency of the rest of the world is the questionable thing. Gaza is proving how difficult it is to bring a rouge country back into line. If all of this Murdoch beat up about China being this unstable threat plays out, how long does the rest of the world stand by and watch??
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I’m way out of my depth in these discussions, however I have very (very) close friends who “worked” in this area.

One of my very close friends just retired from the army, he was very high up and spent the last 10 years behind a desk in Canberra. His dad was in Signals, before he retired and lectured at Curtin University.

The view from within these communities is that the CCP poses the greatest long term threat to Asia Pacific.

Basically the CCP long term view is to return China to its place as the Middle Kingdom, and if your national can’t be directly invaded (Taiwan, Vietnam), then your nation is a client State to China.
 
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Bucking Beads said:
Our politicians just have no shame at all for what they're doing to his country. They have no accountability because our media is going along for the ride. We have no common sense in government and nobody with the ticker to make hard decisions that need to be made. They keep coming up with distraction after distraction to keep the masses fooled.
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Welcome to a two (multiple) party State.

Different parties have different agendas, and different ways of getting (or not) their messages out.

Just because a particular party doesn’t publicly say much, doesn’t mean stuff isn’t going on quietly.

As for Andrews, he’s no longer a politician, so can do whatever he wants.
 
briztoon said:
Welcome to a two (multiple) party State.

Different parties have different agendas, and different ways of getting (or not) their messages out.

Just because a particular party doesn’t publicly say much, doesn’t mean stuff isn’t going on quietly.

As for Andrews, he’s no longer a politician, so can do whatever he wants.
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Dan should probably be in Prison for any number of things but what he did to the State of Victoria is unforgivable.
 

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briztoon said:
I’m way out of my depth in these discussions, however I have very (very) close friends who “worked” in this area.

One of my very close friends just retired from the army, he was very high up and spent the last 10 years behind a desk in Canberra. His dad was in Signals, before he retired and lectured at Curtin University.

The view from within these communities is that the CCP poses the greatest long term threat to Asia Pacific.

Basically the CCP long term view is to return China to its place as the Middle Kingdom, and if your national can’t be directly invaded (Taiwan, Vietnam), then your nation is a client State to China.
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No I think you are 100% right, and from the little that I know I think all of that is correct. Xi wants to return those territories back to the Empire. He's pretty much stated as much reading between the lines.

I should have clarified in my ramble that I meant a threat to us, and the West more generally. That's not at all to say that the threat to those other Asia Pacific territories means any less, far from it. But I think the West has used it to bolster the military machine more than anything.

The other point I struggled to make earlier worries me more.

We have seen the world sit on it's hands pretty much when it comes to Ukraine and Gaza - both of which have been condemned by essentially everyone not involved. Given how much China is evoked as a threat, how long will the world sit by when it inevitably does attack those sovereign nations?
 
Viceregal said:
Wasn't Andrews premier when they signed the Memorandum of Understanding maling Victoria part of China's Belt and Road initiative? Maybe they bonded then?
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Yep. But it got knocked on the head by the federal government.

He wasn't knicknamed Chairman Dan for nothing.
 

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That it's come to this idiotic and yet totally predictable outcome is just crazy stupid, scary and just sad. I didn't like the guy one bit but his wife and children are now left alone which is horrific. It's just hard to believe it's spiralling that far out of control.

You can't sow the seeds of division and hatred and be upset at the inevitable. And you can bet this won't be the last of it.

Sadly if you look at some of the comments posted on anything relating to the Vic police killings there's a few here as extreme. The recent rallies are emboldening extremists and normalising hate.

The world has become incredibly divided. If history is any indication (it is we just ignore it) it will take a major upheaval to change that.

Something to look forward to.... not.
 
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Morbidly_Obese said:
Become? When was it ever united?
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There has always been "sides" no doubt. But I guess I look back to times when things had to be aside to rebuild and recover.

Now the world we live in today lets amplified and unbalanced views be pumped into your ecosystem 24/7. We have never been as radicalised and coerced as we are today. Some knowingly, some unwittingly. Our phones and even our TV's are providing ever more biased and extremist views day after day.

And it's giving voices to people who probably shouldn't have them. Worse it's letting normally sane people post insane things even after tragedies like this.

There simply hasn't been a time in history where people are as "informed" as they are now. And the middle ground is shrinking away day by day. United seems a millions miles away.
 
notliondown said:
There has always been "sides" no doubt. But I guess I look back to times when things had to be aside to rebuild and recover.

Now the world we live in today lets amplified and unbalanced views be pumped into your ecosystem 24/7. We have never been as radicalised and coerced as we are today. Some knowingly, some unwittingly. Our phones and even our TV's are providing ever more biased and extremist views day after day.

And it's giving voices to people who probably shouldn't have them. Worse it's letting normally sane people post insane things even after tragedies like this.

There simply hasn't been a time in history where people are as "informed" as they are now. And the middle ground is shrinking away day by day. United seems a millions miles away.
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When one side views the other as literally Hitler and the other side views the other as Stalin/Mao reincarnate there is not a lot of room for negotiation ... when the US breaks up hopefully they will do it kind of peacefully rather than a full blown cultural civil war.

That being said at no point should the response to a political assassination be 'lol'... when the wind and the whirlwind start to dance the fallout tends to be catastrophic for the folks described as collateral damage.
 
Viceregal said:
When one side views the other as literally Hitler and the other side views the other as Stalin/Mao reincarnate there is not a lot of room for negotiation ... when the US breaks up hopefully they will do it kind of peacefully rather than a full blown cultural civil war.

That being said at no point should the response to a political assassination be 'lol'... when the wind and the whirlwind start to dance the fallout tends to be catastrophic for the folks described as collateral damage.
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I just don't know how the red states survive in that scenario but it seems to draw closer every day. It's fair to say both coasts are a lot more like each other than the middle.

I can't see the end game here... no matter how long this goes on for it will always reach a point of ultimate pushback. I can't figure out what they hope to achieve in the long run... Having said that some of the responses to this incident are appalling. There's a huge degree of hypocrisy in how this is being handled by some in both sides and it just illustrates how divided it is.
 
notliondown said:
I just don't know how the red states survive in that scenario but it seems to draw closer every day. It's fair to say both coasts are a lot more like each other than the middle.
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A Roman general was investing Tyre and they informed him that they had enough food etc to hold out for ten years ... the general replied that in that case we will take you in the eleventh year and the Tyrians made a deal. A few years back I read an article that indicated that New York would run out of food in iirc something like two hours if the city was cut off from outside supply.

Considering the bluest areas are the most urban and most dependent on already strained supply lines and interdependent infrastructure... if things went hot over there similarly to the English civil war not sure that Red State survival would be the issue at least up front... but historically when empires fall and the metaphorical rubble stops bouncing the population usually stabilises at around 10% of its peak ...
 

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Crimso said:
It appears that the shooter is a Groyper not a left wing nut job.
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His family is full blown gun-toting MAGA.

This after the orange megalomaniac did is usual knee-jerk bullshit and blaming the "lunatic left wing radicals".

When will the US ever wake up and do something meaningful about gun control?

Instead of the same old "thoughts and prayers" that inevitably follow.

"Oh they would still kill each other with knives" someone pontificated on the Main Board.

Maybe so, but it's a no brainer that knifings are unlikely to wreak the mass devastation as hot lead spewed from guns.

And I venture that it would be pretty hard for a "sniper" to accurately toss a knife from a rooftop and sever the target's jugular from 200 metres away.
 
In all the online frenzy to paint Kirk’s assassin as a lunatic lefty or and alt-right groyper, there is a deeper truth at play.




Please read this whole Twitter thread. A crystal clear summary of the world and mindset too many boys are being lost to. As a teacher I see this simmering away on the daily. It’s up there with climate change as a profound existential crisis we continue to ignore.
 
Hollow Knight said:
In all the online frenzy to paint Kirk’s assassin as a lunatic lefty or and alt-right groyper, there is a deeper truth at play.




Please read this whole Twitter thread. A crystal clear summary of the world and mindset too many boys are being lost to. As a teacher I see this simmering away on the daily. It’s up there with climate change as a profound existential crisis we continue to ignore.
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In many ways it parallels what made the 9/11 hijackers susceptible to radicalism - except that Saudi society offered "surplus" young men at the time a comfortable (even if unheralded and impactless) life which of course America no longer offers.

And then you get into the sort of brainrot spreading in incel forums and the like which very much play into these sorts of anxieties. But unfortunately various forms of brainrot is everywhere now - not just ultraniche internet forums but in what your parents are reading on Facebook or Sky News After Dark, or what journalists and politicians are reading in their replies on X The Everything App, and let alone what we're going to get as we not just normalise but force everyone into brainrot accelerators in the form of AI chatbots.
 
Yep, it’s entirely possible to believe that Charlie Kirk didn’t deserve to be murdered and that he was a piece of shit at the same time.

The media astroturfing to prevent people discussing the latter point is insane to witness in action.

Horst Wessel 2.0.
 

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