List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 2

[Keys]

Quick links

• Player contract status
• Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Harley Reid extends to 2028

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List Changes - 2025

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• Oscar Allen advises intention to explore Free Agency
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle
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  Jack Petruccelle

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  83kg

  Pos.

  Fwd

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.2

  2star

  K

  6.2

  2star

  HB

  3.0

  3star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  G

  1.0

  4star

  D

  6.7

  1star

  K

  4.0

  1star

  HB

  2.7

  2star

  M

  1.7

  2star

  T

  1.3

  2star

  G

  0.7

  4star

  D

  7.8

  2star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  3.2

  3star

  M

  2.8

  3star

  T

  1.6

  4star

  G

  0.6

  3star

  , Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Liam Ryan has requested a trade to St Kilda but is contracted for 2026
• Campbell Chesser (uncontracted) has requested a trade to Carlton
• List would be 37 (31 main, 4 rookie, 2 Cat B)

Players out of Contract 2025 (5)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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Key Offseason Dates

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Fri Oct 3 - Fri Oct 10: 2025 Free Agency Period
Mon Oct 6 - Wed Oct 15: 2025 AFL Trade Period
Wed Nov 19 - Thu Nov 20: 2025 AFL Draft

 

[EagleEgo]

Starcevich played on Ben Long who kicked 45 goals this season and was a major driver of the Suns success

Kept him to 0.1 from just 4 disposals.

Murdered him

We need as many quality experienced players as we can get and he likely comes cheap

No brainer if we can convince him to come across

That is why we did not see him much at the TV screen. Only those watching from GABBA can comment better.

 

[Elite Pete]

Do you think he can make the transition to midfielder?
Thats the rumours about where he wants to play.
If thats true then we need to maybe stop looking at his backline work and start imagining his fit into our midfield

Who was the last lock down defender to make it as a midfielder, especially at 26yo?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Clearly everyone else has Duursma and CDT as pick 1 and 2 going to the Eagles, so do I

No they don’t.

 

[mattyc75]

Who was the last lock down defender to make it as a midfielder, especially at 26yo?

No idea that that was the talk about him wanting to move.
I guess if there was a midfield where he could get some games in it'd be ours

 

[Keys]

Link to the Ryan Daniels article referenced earlier where he suggests using our R2 pick to trade for Starcevich

https://archive.is/Hizjv

That’s after saying we fumbled the chase for Erasmus by not going hard enough with a strong offer and that we could have got him for free without explaining how

Using a pick that high for Starcevich is stupid. He’s a FA that if he were to leave Brisbane would get them zero compensation because of their expected signings of Allen and Draper under free agency.

Starcevich is a restricted FA meaning Brisbane can match any offer to force a trade and we won’t be attempting to sign him as a FA anyway since we’d dilute the Allen compensation. So we need to offer Brisbane something and for them, anything is going to be better than nothing

Offer the Hawthorn R3 pick we hold but be prepared to use the R2 pick we hold which will likely be nudging pick 40 come draft night

Our R2 pick is far too valuable to be used on Starcevich. It’s a stupid suggestion from Daniels who spent an entire article saying we need to be more ruthless

And on a final note, whilst I want us to bring him in, he isn’t a midfielder and his value should be based on him as a defender. If we trial him through the midfield if/when he joins and it works out that’d be a bonus but it shouldn’t form part of our calculations when making him an offer

 

[shooshka]

He’s definitely a no brainer if we could actually get him for free as a free agent.

But it’s being reported that our request to sign a free agent without diluting our compo for Oscar is going to be denied. Which is genuinely hilarious because free agency was brought in to help shit sides sign good players but now the AFL don’t want to disadvantage the reigning premiers (and current prelim finalists) because it might help the wooden spooners too much.

Even if we get a free pick that has to be traded it is ****ing insane that the AFL is giving it to us so we can give it to Brisbane for Starcevich when they would get nothing if he went anywhere else. So Brisbane are getting a free pick because we suck?

Equalisation, ya’ll.

We’re not improving our list management team if we swap 19 for Starcevich.

Would he improve our performance and floor - no doubt. But something back end of 1st round is a massive overpay.

It depends on restrictions but we’d be better off including it in a swap of Hollands, Chesser, 9 and points

If Neale actually wants to head west then that changes things. 19 for Starcevich + Neale start the car

 

[chaddy22]

It’s just a bit ridiculous though. The most looked after team in afl — the lions — essentially are given something they wouldn’t be entitled to otherwise, given that with Allen and Draper they are no chance of any sort of compo. A 3rd rnd pick or F3 is more then they would get under FA, so why are they getting 19?

truly this is the stupidest thing. And the scary thing to me, is I can see it happening. Ugh only in the afl.

There should be a rule that any top 10 team that brings in a free agent doesn't get a compo pick.
Any bottom 8 team that loses a free agent but brings in a free agent doesn't get their pick diluted.
A way to help bottom teams.

 

[shooshka]

Link to the Ryan Daniels article referenced earlier where he suggests using our R2 pick to trade for Starcevich

https://archive.is/Hizjv

That’s after saying we fumbled the chase for Erasmus by not going hard enough with a strong offer and that we could have got him for free without explaining how

Using a pick that high for Starcevich is stupid. He’s a FA that if he were to leave Brisbane would get them zero compensation because of their expected signings of Allen and Draper under free agency.

Starcevich is a restricted FA meaning Brisbane can match any offer to force a trade and we won’t be attempting to sign him as a FA anyway since we’d dilute the Allen compensation. So we need to offer Brisbane something and for them, anything is going to be better than nothing

Offer the Hawthorn R3 pick we hold but be prepared to use the R2 pick we hold which will likely be nudging pick 40 come draft night

Our R2 pick is far too valuable to be used on Starcevich. It’s a stupid suggestion from Daniels who spent an entire article saying we need to be more ruthless

And on a final note, whilst I want us to bring him in, he isn’t a midfielder and his value should be based on him as a defender. If we trial him through the midfield if/when he joins and it works out that’d be a bonus but it shouldn’t form part of our calculations when making him an offer

The funny thing is, pick 32/33 or wherever it ends up after compo carries those points (and essentially ends up in that position) for Brisbane, as Annabel is likely the first bid, whereas for us it is 40-something.

Brisbane have a massive points issue, and they will push for our 15-25 range picks to solve that, but it’s not our problem. Fairly certain we’d happily take Duursma + Annabel if available to us, not sure why we are actively trying to help them solve the issue

 

[Elite Pete]

Link to the Ryan Daniels article referenced earlier where he suggests using our R2 pick to trade for Starcevich

https://archive.is/Hizjv

That’s after saying we fumbled the chase for Erasmus by not going hard enough with a strong offer and that we could have got him for free without explaining how

Using a pick that high for Starcevich is stupid. He’s a FA that if he were to leave Brisbane would get them zero compensation because of their expected signings of Allen and Draper under free agency.

Starcevich is a restricted FA meaning Brisbane can match any offer to force a trade and we won’t be attempting to sign him as a FA anyway since we’d dilute the Allen compensation. So we need to offer Brisbane something and for them, anything is going to be better than nothing

Offer the Hawthorn R3 pick we hold but be prepared to use the R2 pick we hold which will likely be nudging pick 40 come draft night

Our R2 pick is far too valuable to be used on Starcevich. It’s a stupid suggestion from Daniels who spent an entire article saying we need to be more ruthless

And on a final note, whilst I want us to bring him in, he isn’t a midfielder and his value should be based on him as a defender. If we trial him through the midfield if/when he joins and it works out that’d be a bonus but it shouldn’t form part of our calculations when making him an offer

The Erasmus one does seem weird, had interest and according to Rhino on HBG earlier in the year a lot of interest for it to just cool off and not give a firm offer. I guess he is saying we could get him for free through the PSD and that would be part of being ruthless. It’s true but would never happen unless a team demands overs.

With the Stracevich one is he suggesting we call Brissy and offer pick 19 and because it’s overs for what they would get they would pull their offer and then they go all in on Ridley?

 

[Peptide Pig]

I'm glad you're so convinced.
We could do with a modern day Tyrone Vickery to partner Williams.

There was another athletic, speculative ruckman with a high ceiling taken before Vickery in that draft, both had dreadlocks at the time. Was even told he would be taken at pick 1 but the Dees in the wisdom opted for the ‘safe’ option in Jack Watts.

 

[AnyDanger]

Surely the request to sign a F/A without it affecting our compo is still very much a live option for the afl. I know there was blowback when the suggestion was raised, but when the clubs actually think about the alternative - afl inventing a pick that we can trade for him which pushs everyone's picks back, im sure theyll all be happy to say just take starcevich and be done with it.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

So what’s happened guys? Have Flanders, Davies and Jed Walter all requested a trade to WC yet?

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Even as CDTs biggest hater, even I can acknowledge this is ignorant as all f. He hits the scoreboard, he’s just not a sharpshooter. 2 recent games one at VFL was 3.2 and he shot 2.5 both from set shots and at ground level in CTL recently.

He absolutely would’ve been a top 10 player last year. Even I’m not that dumb as to say that

So what. Jack silvani kicked 6 in a Vic Metro game. And yet here we are.

 

[Obeanie1]

Duursma & Robey looming large ..

If thats the case splitting pick 2 is happening.

Or we are taking CDT.

 

[beagles]

Wrong, i'm just a pessimist who loves hyperbole who happens to watch a lot more footy than everyone else.

Plus I have put a lot of work into reading & understanding the metrics that are used. Aka the data to back up the "trust me bro" confirmation bias which everyone seems to form the same opinion basis on.

Agh Bro, trust me

 

[Obeanie1]

As much as he showed a bit in the last couple of games I'd prefer we left McCarthy to distribute off half back, he's the only one back there who can really nail a kick.

If we go Duursma expect him to start at half back.

Hough may go back.

Dewar touted as a rebounding half back.

Grego' s debut was promising but his kicking is an issue.

Bo Allen another.

And we have a good rebounding half back in our 2026 nga squad.

 

[Godfather32]

If we go Duursma expect him to start at half back.

Hough may go back.

Dewar touted as a rebounding half back.

Grego' s debut was promising but his kicking is an issue.

Bo Allen another.

And we have a good rebounding half back in our 2026 nga squad.

None of those guys are anywhere near as good a kick as McCarthy though.
I just think if you have a weapon like him you play him in the position where he can help the most, and imo that's as the designated kicked from half back.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

If we go Duursma ex03ct him to start at half back.

Hough may go back.

Dewar touted as a rebounding half back.

There are 5 factors needed for us moving forward.

1. You can't have enough mids. Even if they're developing in a different position or playing WAFL. Davies, Phillips, Dev, Neale, Sharp cumming farrow grjl

2. You need speed and run. Duursma, Banfield, grjl, evans

3 shoring up our defence. Starc, mcvee. Mids with potential. Hough goes down back (cracked open in emergency only). As for key defenders/forward sheubert. Busslinger, zakostelski.

4. Forward half pressure. Our group of NGAs will bolster this and place pressure on existing ones. Ah Chee?

5 a ruck. This will have to wait unless we're into someone like Reeves or knoble.


Essential we get some players in return for losing Allen Ryan and Chesser and those three clubs need to come to the party. With luck the AFL grant us prelisting and extra rookies spots and a couple of picks which will bolster our draft hand to sweeten deals ensure 3 top 10 picks.

I am bullish that this will be a positive off season for us.

 

[Obeanie1]

There should be a rule that any top 10 team that brings in a free agent doesn't get a compo pick.
Any bottom 8 team that loses a free agent but brings in a free agent doesn't get their pick diluted.
A way to help bottom teams.

Blocking top 10 teams from free agents will never happen.

Free agency is here for players to move......not to benefit clubs.

The AFLPA would object as a restraint of trade.

Now blocking the premiers as a minimum should be brought in. The team that won the comp doesnt need free hits and gun players striving for success piling on. Thats the problem.

AFL House is simply being inept allowing riegning premiers to rort the system that is providing them access to players at no or discounted draft / trade cost. It is simply stupid and counter productive.

Explain how it currently works to a neutral sports fan and none would underatand why.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Blocking top 10 teams from free agents will never happen.

Free agency is here for players to move......not to benefit clubs.

The AFLPA would object as a restraint of trade.
.

In the NFL, clubs who made the playoffs have restrictions in the FA market.

The NFL do free agency much better. It is viewed over a 2 year period and a group of independent club reps rotate on a panel. No compensation until end R3 which is similar to our mid R2 (or circa pick 30)

 

[TerryFilk]

Do you think he can make the transition to midfielder?
Thats the rumours about where he wants to play.
If thats true then we need to maybe stop looking at his backline work and start imagining his fit into our midfield

Personally I don’t, could he play a shutdown type role in midfield? Probably, but I wouldn’t want to pay him fairly good money to do that. He’s one of the best defensive back pockets in the game, getting him allows us to be more flexible with Hough and Baker further up the ground, that’s the main appeal of Starcevich to me.

 

[ghostbat12]

There are 5 factors needed for us moving forward.

1. You can't have enough mids. Even if they're developing in a different position or playing WAFL. Davies, Phillips, Dev, Neale, Sharp cumming farrow grjl

2. You need speed and run. Duursma, Banfield, grjl, evans

3 shoring up our defence. Starc, mcvee. Mids with potential. Hough goes down back (cracked open in emergency only). As for key defenders/forward sheubert. Busslinger, zakostelski.

4. Forward half pressure. Our group of NGAs will bolster this and place pressure on existing ones. Ah Chee?

5 a ruck. This will have to wait unless we're into someone like Reeves or knoble.


Essential we get some players in return for losing Allen Ryan and Chesser and those three clubs need to come to the party. With luck the AFL grant us prelisting and extra rookies spots and a couple of picks which will bolster our draft hand to sweeten deals ensure 3 top 10 picks.

I am bullish that this will be a positive off season for us.

1. you can't have enough GOOD mids. you certainly can end up many that clog lists. so rattling names off doesn't say anything.

2. wouldn't mind getting it first and then dream of opportunity for those players that go for a gallop.

3. defence will be able to hold up if mids do their thing first.

4. good god, ah Chee again.

5. ok.

 

[Time To Hunt]

If we go Duursma expect him to start at half back.

Hough may go back.

Dewar touted as a rebounding half back.

Grego' s debut was promising but his kicking is an issue.

Bo Allen another.

And we have a good rebounding half back in our 2026 nga squad.

Dewar’s disposal is questionable at best, shouldn’t really have played as many games as he has. Played a decent half of footy preseason and all of a sudden he’s the answer. Simply not good enough at this stage but he’s not alone, probably more reflective of where the clubs at that players like him and you can add Hutchinson, Maric to that list are being seen as long term solutions. Reality is all were PSD or MSD picks for a reason.

 

[The Dodger]

It takes a little while for the body to stop kicking.

"Kickamortis" is a well known condition after death.

 

[txbyhull]

So what. Jack silvani kicked 6 in a Vic Metro game. And yet here we are.

And he’s had a 9 year career? Don’t pretend like he’s an absolute nothing burger. I don’t think CDT will be amazing and I don’t think we should pick him but he’s not going in the ****ing 30s last year. That’s a terrible take