List Mgmt. Welcome Campbell Chesser (Pick 14, 2021 National Draft)

[amazingjoshy]

Perhaps if they announce he's leaving or whatever it calls our bluff of threatening to take him in the PSD?

Also could mean the club is extra spicy about it. They have every right to be tbh, given what he's produced and how much he's been supported through injury, along with the timing of his departure.

Or maybe they're just not that bothered

 

[BSD]

Masto. He appeared to be on the cusp of greatness but then was never the same player again after the freo suspension? Biting wasn't it?

Wasn't Masten pick 3 in the same draft that Adelaide got Dangerfield with pick 10 ?

 

[Mop]

Wasn't Masten pick 3 in the same draft that Adelaide got Dangerfield with pick 10 ?

Yes.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Wasn't Masten pick 3 in the same draft that Adelaide got Dangerfield with pick 10 ?

Yes but it was considered quite a reach by Adelaide at the time and Dangerfield had no intention of leaving Victoria until the following year because of his school.

Adelaide were slated at the time as it was roundly expected they would draft the more ready-made home town hero and member of SA footy royalty.....Brad Ebert.

So it was more astute drafting by Adelaide, albeit he did bail on them in his prime.

The Eagles pick was all about Masten vs Palmer vs Cale Morton - 3 top rated WA mids.
So in that regard, we did ok.

Also drafted out of WA that year was Harry Taylor and Alex Rance - both before our next pick (after Ebert, the slider) which was Tony Notte - who I still think we gave up on too quickly considering how long some others hung around - Notte went on to have a high quality WAFL career and I think he could have made it with more time at the top level.

Just try not to think about Cyril Rioli going at 12 either.

 

[Mop]

Yes but it was considered quite a reach by Adelaide at the time and Dangerfield had no intention of leaving Victoria until the following year because of his school.

Adelaide were slated at the time as it was roundly expected they would draft the more ready-made home town hero and member of SA footy royalty.....Brad Ebert.

So it was more astute drafting by Adelaide, albeit he did bail on them in his prime.

The Eagles pick was all about Masten vs Palmer vs Cale Morton - 3 top rated WA mids.
So in that regard, we did ok.

Also drafted out of WA that year was Harry Taylor and Alex Rance - both before our next pick (after Ebert, the slider) which was Tony Notte - who I still think we gave up on too quickly considering how long some others hung around - Notte went on to have a high quality WAFL career and I think he could have made it with more time at the top level.

Just try not to think about Cyril Rioli going at 12 either.

I was just thinking about Tony Notte.

Yeah he was exceptionally thin, but his overhead marking was as good as anyone I've ever seen.
I, like you, strongly feel like he was given up on too quickly when we persevered with Fraser McInnes for god knows how long.

I heard rumours at the time that he wasn't the hardest trainer, which given his physique was an issue, but it was a costly miss.

 

[Donkers]

Yes but it was considered quite a reach by Adelaide at the time and Dangerfield had no intention of leaving Victoria until the following year because of his school.

Adelaide were slated at the time as it was roundly expected they would draft the more ready-made home town hero and member of SA footy royalty.....Brad Ebert.

So it was more astute drafting by Adelaide, albeit he did bail on them in his prime.

The Eagles pick was all about Masten vs Palmer vs Cale Morton - 3 top rated WA mids.
So in that regard, we did ok.

Also drafted out of WA that year was Harry Taylor and Alex Rance - both before our next pick (after Ebert, the slider) which was Tony Notte - who I still think we gave up on too quickly considering how long some others hung around - Notte went on to have a high quality WAFL career and I think he could have made it with more time at the top level.

Just try not to think about Cyril Rioli going at 12 either.

Tony Notte has a condition with his lungs affecting Vo2 max. Meant packing on muscle as well as the fitness requirements of AFL just weren't a possibility. No one knew at the time. The real miss was Rance as Murray Rance went into the football club and literally begged them to draft his son.

Eagles didn't draft Rance as we had already drafted Emac and Schofield the year before as were desperate for mids after losing Judd and Cousins in the same offseason. Both Ebert and Scott Selwood were considered sliders.

Cyril only wanted to go to Victoria and Ebert was a poor choice due to his family being football royalty in SA, he was always going back.

Dangerfield was one of the very last before they changed the rules in regards to underage drafting. Adelaide took him knowing he would spend his first year on their list in Vic finishing year 12. Amazing player and incredibly astute choice but again there was always the draw back to Vic. Nic Nat despite being the same age didn't nominate for the draft as he was very close to family and wanted to finish school first. Carlton would have drafted Nic Nat at pick 1 if he was there, even as an underager.

Eagles desperately wanted Cotchin and if the club had pick 1 would have drafted him.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

I would love full transparency around who does what in our recruitment team, what hours they work, what they get paid, how many 'work' lunches they put on the company card and a detailed explanation of how they decided on the Hawks pick over Carltons.

Their performance since our premiership have been woeful and serious questions need to be asked.

How they handle this Chesser trade will determine whether they are serious about helping to turn this club around or if they should all be sacked and we start over.

 

[Alesana]

I would love full transparency around who does what in our recruitment team, what hours they work, what they get paid, how many 'work' lunches they put on the company card and a detailed explanation of how they decided on the Hawks pick over Carltons.

Their performance since our premiership have been woeful and serious questions need to be asked.

How they handle this Chesser trade will determine whether they are serious about helping to turn this club around or if they should all be sacked and we start over.

I thought they made the right choice taking Hawthorn's picks at the time. Hawthorn had missed the 8, and though they were clearly on the rise the extent could not have been known, the fixture wasn't even out yet. And Carlton, on paper have had one of the most primed lists of the last few years; Coleman medalists, Brownlow medalist, All Australians, the right age and experience. They've just seriously underachieved, to our detriment.

 

[Mop]

I would love full transparency around who does what in our recruitment team, what hours they work, what they get paid, how many 'work' lunches they put on the company card and a detailed explanation of how they decided on the Hawks pick over Carltons.

Their performance since our premiership have been woeful and serious questions need to be asked.

This is a pretty average reactive melt.

Many respected analysts had Carlton as being premiership fancies, some even for some reason premiership favourites.

I had Hawthorn finishing top 4 which they indirectly did, but not as many saw my optimism / pessimism (based on our draft pick). The theory was sound enough, a much harder fixture and teething problems. The theory was Hawthorn were very good but a house of cards that could be derailed by the wrong injury. They did wobble mid season when Sam Day got injured, but they made good.

As shit as it is, it wasn't without merit.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

And Carlton, on paper have had one of the most primed lists of the last few years; Coleman medalists, Brownlow medalist, All Australians, the right age and experience. They've just seriously underachieved, to our detriment.

I'll never get the overrating of Carlton. Flaky af with the list depth of a puddle.

 

[Tugga27]

This is a pretty average reactive melt.

Many respected analysts had Carlton as being premiership fancies, some even for some reason premiership favourites.

I had Hawthorn finishing top 4 which they indirectly did, but not as many saw my optimism / pessimism (based on our draft pick). The theory was sound enough, a much harder fixture and teething problems. The theory was Hawthorn were very good but a house of cards that could be derailed by the wrong injury. They did wobble mid season when Sam Day got injured, but they made good.

As shit as it is, it wasn't without merit.

Pretty sure the Hawks were rated higher by the majority of "experts"

FWIW, Fox Footy had the Hawks first and Carlton 10th.

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[Mop]

Pretty sure the Hawks were rated higher by the majority of "experts"

FWIW, Fox Footy had the Hawks first and Carlton 10th.

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Just one example with a contrary view that had Carlton as a contender above Hawthorn.

I stress, I saw it the way it fell too, but I'm not angry with the way the club predicted, just disappointed.

 

[Tugga27]

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Just one example with a contrary view that had Carlton as a contender above Hawthorn.

I stress, I saw it the way it fell too, but I'm not angry with the way the club predicted, just disappointed.

But they only had the Hawks 1 spot lower which we could live with.

The bookies had Hawthorn clear favourites over Carlton.

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[PRANKSTER666]

I thought they made the right choice taking Hawthorn's picks at the time. Hawthorn had missed the 8, and though they were clearly on the rise the extent could not have been known, the fixture wasn't even out yet. And Carlton, on paper have had one of the most primed lists of the last few years; Coleman medalists, Brownlow medalist, All Australians, the right age and experience. They've just seriously underachieved, to our detriment.

I must have imagined Hawks losing to Port in the Semi last year in arguably the best game of the year.

This is a pretty average reactive melt.

Many respected analysts had Carlton as being premiership fancies, some even for some reason premiership favorites.

I had Hawthorn finishing top 4 which they indirectly did, but not as many saw my optimism / pessimism (based on our draft pick). The theory was sound enough, a much harder fixture and teething problems. The theory was Hawthorn were very good but a house of cards that could be derailed by the wrong injury. They did wobble mid season when Sam Day got injured, but they made good.

As shit as it is, it wasn't without merit.

It aint reactive, our recruiting team has been very poor for a while now with regards to its picks and dealings with other clubs.

Carlton only beating Eagles, North and Richmond in last 10 games and losing to Hawks by 74 points in final few games of season was a decent indicator of who was heading where coupled with the fact Hawks in recent years have been a very successful club and Carlton a basket case, just ask any Blues fan.

Our club has been embarrassing off field which has led us to be embarrassing on field.

 

[bzparkes]

I must have imagined Hawks losing to Port in the Semi last year in arguably the best game of the year.



It aint reactive, our recruiting team has been very poor for a while now with regards to its picks and dealings with other clubs.

Carlton only beating Eagles, North and Richmond in last 10 games and losing to Hawks by 74 points in final few games of season was a decent indicator of who was heading where coupled with the fact Hawks in recent years have been a very successful club and Carlton a basket case, just ask any Blues fan.

Our club has been embarrassing off field which has led us to be embarrassing on field.

You're using the benefit of hindsight.

Hawks last year started off the season with 5 losses, then went on a big run to make finals. Could they sustain it? Plenty of clubs struggle, go on a blistering run then fail to to anything with it. See Freo in 2022.

Carlton, on the other hand, made a prelim the year before, started the year well in 2024, then had a huge injury crisis from the halfway part of the season, yet still scraped into 8th.

So realistically, they bet on Carlton getting over their injuries and getting back to 2023's form and Hawthorn's year being an outlier and, with a harder draw and more attention put into them from opposition coaches, finishing below Carlton.

The decision wasn't as simple as it may have appeared, especially with 30 seconds to make it.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

I would love full transparency around who does what in our recruitment team, what hours they work, what they get paid, how many 'work' lunches they put on the company card and a detailed explanation of how they decided on the Hawks pick over Carltons.

Their performance since our premiership have been woeful and serious questions need to be asked.

How they handle this Chesser trade will determine whether they are serious about helping to turn this club around or if they should all be sacked and we start over.

Firstly. I had the blues finishing higher than Hawks.

Secondly, since our 18 flag, almost everyone involved in the recruitment team has been replaced.

Gone are
The coach
The list manager
The head of football
The ceo


Relax grasshopper.

 

[bzparkes]

Firstly. I had the blues finishing higher than Hawks.

Secondly, since our 18 flag, almost everyone involved in the recruitment team has been replaced.

Gone are
The coach
The list manager
The head of football
The ceo


Relax grasshopper.

Replace everyone after 1 year because of a 50/50 bet that we got wrong.

Sounds like a good way to run a stable, successful club

 

[Bender_]

I'll never get the overrating of Carlton. Flaky af with the list depth of a puddle.

I think that's where the mistake was made. I'd argue if all things went well in terms of player availability for both teams Carlton would finish higher than Hawks. But rarely does that happen, and you're spot in, Carlton's depth is a very poor outside of their 22.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

When you have been going poor for a long time the bad decisions begin to add up and require scrutiny, we became a successful club because we demanded success, can't say that has been the case for some time...

 

[Mop]

When you have been going poor for a long time the bad decisions begin to add up and require scrutiny, we became a successful club because we demanded success, can't say that has been the case for some time...

Look man, your melt is warranted. We are god awful bad to historical levels. I respect every single one of my fellow Eagles clan who turns up on here to engage, goes to games, still watches the 100 point losses and still gives a damn. It has been dire for a club who aren't used to being bad, let alone historically so.

The good news is the relevant people who resulted in us being where we are are almost all gone, but the medicine needs time to work.

Better times are coming.

 

[Keys]

This is all very good but it has absolutely SFA to do with Campbell Chesser

Go to the deathride thread if you want to continue arguing about a decision made near on 12 months ago

 

[Mop]

This is all very good but it has absolutely SFA to do with Campbell Chesser

Go to the deathride thread if you want to continue arguing about a decision made near on 12 months ago

I thought you locked that one

 

[PRANKSTER666]

Look man, your melt is warranted. We are god awful bad to historical levels. I respect every single one of my fellow Eagles clan who turns up on here to engage, goes to games, still watches the 100 point losses and still gives a damn. It has been dire for a club who aren't used to being bad, let alone historically so.

The good news is the relevant people who resulted in us being where we are are almost all gone, but the medicine needs time to work.

Better times are coming.

I hope you are right, but I am certainly not confident. The way we get back is via our list management which started a couple of years ago, if we get it wrong with Tassie entering soon this mess we have created will be long term. That is why I highlighted the Chesser trade and how we deal with it, do we get back to being ruthless in our pursuit for excellence, or will we continue to be walked over...

 

[Mop]

I hope you are right, but I am certainly not confident. The way we get back is via our list management which started a couple of years ago, if we get it wrong with Tassie entering soon this mess we have created will be long term. That is why I highlighted the Chesser trade and how we deal with it, do we get back to being ruthless in our pursuit for excellence, or will we continue to be walked over...

I fully understand the rationale for your posting.

Chesser is an interesting case. Six weeks prior he would've been delist-bait, or at least at risk of. Four solid weeks of football later after two semi decent WAFL games mean we're dead keen for him to build on it, but he wants out.

Sadly this is a weak draft and we've got pointy end picks. What is fair?

I don't even know what I deem fair value TBH, it's such an intangible and kinda weird set of circumstances.

I'd rather he just stayed TBH.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

We owe Chesser nothing. If we are only going to get pick 30-40 from Carlton which will blow out and be near worthless in a draft pool lacking depth we send him to the PSD, sometimes you have to cut off your nose to spite your face to send a message and take a stand.