Opinion Non-Crows AFL 13: Offseason

[cleanhands]

AFL GGF

 

[Scorpus]

Well if you want to get technical… the last team to get done breaching salary cap rules was… Brisbane.

Lions fined $10,000 for breaking AFL rules

The AFL have fined Brisbane $10,000 for incorrectly lodging their total player payment information.

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Geez, back in 2017 when they were garbage

 

[daniel_4tw]

Geez, back in 2017 when they were garbage

Sure it’s a little in jest. But the thing is Brisbane are losing players. Ah Chee and Starcivich just this trade period. Likely Bailey next year. This will get tighter as their young stars contracts comes up. And let’s not pretend Brisbane and GC aren’t getting other AFL allowances like ambassadors etc which right or wrong don’t exist for Geelong.

Who do Geelong lose? Ever? No it’s only big names traded in every other year (or taking in salary dumps after winning the flag because they have so much space).

Chris Scott getting a C-suite Chief Sports-whatever role to a sponsor. That’s 100% above board and he’s the best person in an open market for a guy that has a full time job as a coach? An AFLW player given a car not being reported - all fine?

All clubs might be doing it but then I wish they’d get rid of the salary cap charade.

 

[Scorpus]

Sure it’s a little in jest. But the thing is Brisbane are losing players. Ah Chee and Starcivich just this trade period. Likely Bailey next year. This will get tighter as their young stars contracts comes up. And let’s not pretend Brisbane and GC aren’t getting other AFL allowances like ambassadors etc which right or wrong don’t exist for Geelong.

Who do Geelong lose? Ever? No it’s only big names traded in every other year (or taking in salary dumps after winning the flag because they have so much space).

Chris Scott getting a C-suite Chief Sports-whatever role to a sponsor. That’s 100% above board and he’s the best person in an open market for a guy that has a full time job as a coach? An AFLW player given a car not being reported - all fine?

All clubs might be doing it but then I wish they’d get rid of the salary cap charade.

I think it's much more likely Geelong are cheating the soft cap. The Chris Scott second and third job thing is suspicious and Geelong always seem to have a great coaching panel with excellent administrators

The losing players thing though, I'm not sure I agree with that. Geelong lose players through having an old list where players retire. This frees up salary for recruits.

Take Dangerfield for example. He was signed in 2016. I highly doubt he's running around in 2025 as a 35-year-old on $1M just as we wouldn't expect Walker to be running around on big money. And he would be expected to retire at the end of next year when his contract expires. That means when Geelong sign Bailey Smith there is almost no overlap with the Dangerfield contract. They can easily back-end that contract to the point where the "Dangerfield money" rolls into "Smith money"

As they've brought in players, this keeps rolling on. Cameron is brought in for the 2021 season, but that year they have Selwood and Hawkins as 33 year olds. As those guys retire or re-sign on one year deals, they can roll that cash into Cameron's contract.

Their current list has a lot of late and rookie picks on it filling gaps. They do not have a bursting list full of stars down to the 22nd player in the team. Cameron, Stewart, Holmes and Smith would be on big dollars. Outside of that they aren't going to be paying Brad Close, Shannon Neale, Shaun Mannagh, Jack Henry, Rhys Stanley types all that much.

Most of Geelong's other recruits are role players. Jack Martin and Tyson Stengle were delisted. Shaun Higgins was a two year contract. Isaac Smith got three years. Jack Steven played one year. Gary Rohan and Luke Dahlhaus are role players going further back. They got a couple of second year players in Henry and Bruhn, not sure they are salary breaking stars.

Even today Geelong have just four players signed to 2029 or beyond. We have seven. It's likely this gives Geelong more flexibility to bring in players on long term deals because they have less salary cap reserved four years from now.

 

[GreyCrow]

Not that I'm necessarily agreeing with this, but if Geelong didn't put anything in writing, they can claim it was an accident

Our mistake was allegedly writing a letter in which we clearly outlined a plan, colluding with Tippett's manager, to pay him secretly outside the cap

Our administration at the time were complete morons

And the bloke is still employed at the club

 

[Scorpus]

And the bloke is still employed at the club

Who is?

 

[GreyCrow]

Who is?

Harper

 

[AFC979810]

Their current list has a lot of late and rookie picks on it filling gaps. They do not have a bursting list full of stars down to the 22nd player in the team. Cameron, Stewart, Holmes and Smith would be on big dollars. Outside of that they aren't going to be paying Brad Close, Shannon Neale, Shaun Mannagh, Jack Henry, Rhys Stanley types all that much.

Most of Geelong's other recruits are role players. Jack Martin and Tyson Stengle were delisted.

Shannon Neale is another paid by Cotton On and also became a Run4Geelong paid ambassador. Stengle signed a 5 year 3.5 million contract. It all reeks of shady business.

Once more we are a league with no identity. We sit between an equalisation league and the premier league and it makes us worse than both of em IMO.

The Brisbane example is another interesting one. Although its much more explainable. Fletcher and Ashcroft X 2 are all on a combined salary of less than what David Mackay was on at Adelaide. ITs the NFL equivalent of a great QB on a rookie contract. Thats 3 high quality players (2 of which were top 10 in the B&F) that you got for peanuts through F/S and their salary is nothing.

 

[Scorpus]

Stengle signed a 5 year 3.5 million contract. It all reeks of shady business.

Isn't that less than we are paying your least favorite Crow recruit?

EDIT: What I'm saying is that's not that high of a salary and it's not unusual Geelong would have a few on that level. The AFL reports 122 players earned over $700k in 2024, which is about 7 per club

 

[AFC979810]

Isn't that less than we are paying your least favorite Crow recruit?

EDIT: What I'm saying is that's not that high of a salary and it's not unusual Geelong would have a few on that level. The AFL reports 122 players earned over $700k in 2024, which is about 7 per club

Sure is.

A fair difference between the 15th placed team signing a free agent and the 2022 premiers/ top 4 2023 Geelong cats signing up fringe players to massive contracts.

So you want to tell me that a team that had finished top 4 in 6 of the previous 7 seasons and just won the flag in 2022 has enough salary cap to take Jake Bowes and his horrendously inflated contract from the side that is ranked 15th all the while gaining pick 7 - and you believe its all above board.

This is all occuring whilst they secure Bailey Smith for peanuts and he is paid a massive contract far above his station by Geelongs #1 sponsor cotton on.

 

[Crow-eater]

I swear this isn't the first time Geelong have been done for not disclosing stuff.

 

[GreyCrow]

I swear this isn't the first time Geelong have been done for not disclosing stuff.

Back then it was also called an accounting error

 

[Crow-eater]

Back then it was also called an accounting error

You are correct

Cats whacked with $40K fine for ‘inadvertent administrative error’

Cats whacked with $40K fine for ‘inadvertent administrative error’

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Scorpus]

Sure is.

A fair difference between the 15th placed team signing a free agent and the 2022 premiers/ top 4 2023 Geelong cats signing up fringe players to massive contracts.

So you want to tell me that a team that had finished top 4 in 6 of the previous 7 seasons and just won the flag in 2022 has enough salary cap to take Jake Bowes and his horrendously inflated contract from the side that is ranked 15th all the while gaining pick 7 - and you believe its all above board.

This is all occuring whilst they secure Bailey Smith for peanuts and he is paid a massive contract far above his station by Geelongs #1 sponsor cotton on.

Stengle isn't a fringe player though, he's an All Australian, unless you were referring to someone else

I don't think they'd have much issue signing up players no. This is what the AFL believes is the average salary breakdown per team

$900k+ - 2 players
$700-900k - 5 players
$600-700k - 3 players
$500-600k - 4 players
$400-500k - 5 players
$300-400k - 6 players
<$300k - 12-13 players

I reckon it's pretty easy to slot in their current list to that structure without needing to resort to illegal payments

$900k+ - 2: Smith, Cameron
$700-900k - 5: Stewart, Holmes, Stengle, Bowes, Atkins
$600-700k - 3: Dangerfield, Blicavs, C. Guthrie
$500-600k - 4: De Koning, Miers, Z. Guthrie, Dempsey
$400-500k - 5: J. Henry, Neale, O. Henry, Bruhn, Close
$300-400k - 6: Duncan, Stanley, O'Connor, Martin, Kolodjashnij, Clark
<$300k - 13: All ten <2 year draftees, plus Conway, Knevitt, Bews

And that's IMO overpaying some players, especially those on old man contracts like Blicavs

 

[AFC979810]

Stengle isn't a fringe player though, he's an All Australian, unless you were referring to someone else

I don't think they'd have much issue signing up players no. This is what the AFL believes is the average salary breakdown per team

$900k+ - 2 players
$700-900k - 5 players
$600-700k - 3 players
$500-600k - 4 players
$400-500k - 5 players
$300-400k - 6 players
<$300k - 12-13 players

I reckon it's pretty easy to slot in their current list to that structure without needing to resort to illegal payments

$900k+ - 2: Smith, Cameron
$700-900k - 5: Stewart, Holmes, Stengle, Bowes, Atkins
$600-700k - 3: Dangerfield, Blicavs, C. Guthrie
$500-600k - 4: De Koning, Miers, Z. Guthrie, Dempsey
$400-500k - 5: J. Henry, Neale, O. Henry, Bruhn, Close
$300-400k - 6: Duncan, Stanley, O'Connor, Martin, Kolodjashnij, Clark
<$300k - 13: All ten <2 year draftees, plus Conway, Knevitt, Bews

And that's IMO overpaying some players, especially those on old man contracts like Blicavs

These deals all make sense.

Until you look deeper. Holmes was targeted by multiple clubs for 1m per season. Why does he stay for so much less?

Cats move to lock down star ahead of $6m raid

Geelong tables deal

www.nine.com.au

Until player contracts are public - its all a farce. There is so much manipulation and bullshit - its such a joke.

 

[pjcrows]

Photos of Butters training in Melbourne with Carlton's trainer.

 

[Scorpus]

These deals all make sense.

Until you look deeper. Holmes was targeted by multiple clubs for 1m per season. Why does he stay for so much less?

Cats move to lock down star ahead of $6m raid

Geelong tables deal

www.nine.com.au

Until player contracts are public - its all a farce. There is so much manipulation and bullshit - its such a joke.

I mean he might have stayed for so much less, but it's possible he didn't. I don't think it's unrealistic for him to turn down a $1M contract and sign for, say $800k over four years to win a flag before hitting free agency.

There's also a bit of flexibility. Geelong have 10 players on draftee contracts, which are less than $200k. The average club has only 6.5 players on less than $200k - we only have five on that mandated contract.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

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Pretty similar to the penalty we got for Tippett...

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Stengle isn't a fringe player though, he's an All Australian, unless you were referring to someone else

I don't think they'd have much issue signing up players no. This is what the AFL believes is the average salary breakdown per team

$900k+ - 2 players
$700-900k - 5 players
$600-700k - 3 players
$500-600k - 4 players
$400-500k - 5 players
$300-400k - 6 players
<$300k - 12-13 players

I reckon it's pretty easy to slot in their current list to that structure without needing to resort to illegal payments

$900k+ - 2: Smith, Cameron
$700-900k - 5: Stewart, Holmes, Stengle, Bowes, Atkins
$600-700k - 3: Dangerfield, Blicavs, C. Guthrie
$500-600k - 4: De Koning, Miers, Z. Guthrie, Dempsey
$400-500k - 5: J. Henry, Neale, O. Henry, Bruhn, Close
$300-400k - 6: Duncan, Stanley, O'Connor, Martin, Kolodjashnij, Clark
<$300k - 13: All ten <2 year draftees, plus Conway, Knevitt, Bews

And that's IMO overpaying some players, especially those on old man contracts like Blicavs

Lol, Dangerfield wouldn't be in their 3rd tier!

 

[1970crow]

Geelong are accused of not disclosing third party deals involving their players

We were accused of directly paying Tippett outside the salary cap

There’s a massive difference between administrative oversights that had no bearing on players signing contracts and contacting Balfours to have club sponsorship dollars diverted to a player. This is akin to stuffing up the GST component. Deserves a fine as they’re definitely breaches, but it’s nothing like the smoking gun the costa living dullards carry on with.

 

[Scorpus]

Lol, Dangerfield wouldn't be in their 3rd tier!

Could be even lower. He signed a two year deal as a 34 year old.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Could be even lower. He signed a two year deal as a 34 year old.

The captain & still one of their best players is not paid tier 3!

 

[bigman]

Photos of Butters training in Melbourne with Carlton's trainer.

Worked with him at the Jets. Non story.

 

[Brasher]

The big difference with Tippett over any other breach is no other club executive has used the clubs resources to save personal face with the AFL.

Trigg threw the AFC under the bus in order to save his personal brand....we, through Trigg offered up our penalty.

A penalty far worse than any recent sanctions for drug programs, tanking or comparable salary cap breaches.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Worked with him at the Jets. Non story.

Au contraire

Makes it even spicier I reckon

Tis the off season to be jolly