List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[Keys]

Getting a F4 pick might be handy next year but probably not in all likelihood as it holds no points value and will be somewhere in the 60-65 range

It will be more useful though than holding pick 53 which was a few hours from vanishing into thin air along with pick 58

Number of list spots = Number of picks you can take into the draft

We have picks 1,3,13,34,41

Anything after that is forfeited

Once the draft starts clubs can collect as many picks as they like regardless of list spots but can only make as many selections as they have spots available

Edit: Should note that pick 58 which we’ll lose was the Hawthorn R3 pick we received from Hawthorn last year in exchange for our R4 pick as part of the Barrass trade. Makes that part of the trade essentially meaningless

 

[WCE777]

Maybe we should go after Sultan Kösen ( tallest living man) as a Cat B rookie, could be handy in the ruck at 251cm

Apparently there has been some decent interest in Caleb May SANFL West Adelaide player, 20yo 208cm and had a very strong back end to the season.
Not sure if WC are 1 of the clubs?

 

[TerryFilk]

Id completely disagree with this.

No one does that. People talk about the fact that he isn’t an elite ruck in the ways you’d want to see, nor is he a good overhead mark for a KPF. You won’t find anyone debating whether or not he’s a good athlete or has skills. It’s about how those attributes fit his position. I compare him to a blend of Blicavs and Jackson, leaning closer to Blicavs.

To be fair, that was before his VFL performance and finals games.

The only way to win clearance is not with a midfield full of bulls, but you do need A bull, which we don’t have. Teams are willing to get rid of non explosive, downhill skiers yes. Good thing Sharp is not that. He’s a better athlete than the likes of Hobbs and Phillips who he gets compared to by you guys, and he is the best two way player in the top end of the draft by FAR

That’s my point though, a lot of you are very reactionary at times. Anyone who wanted to trade Duursma away clearly didn’t watch him play this year even before the VFL stuff.

As for CDT, his tap work is very good, his hitout numbers aren’t that high because he spent a large amount of time forward, not a hard concept to grasp.

CDT can drop the odd mark but to suggest he isn’t reliable aerially is insane, he generates 4-7 scoring shots per game at times lmao, no defender can keep up with his first few steps.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Well ok...I guess?

 

[Byron_Clanger]

That’s my point though, a lot of you are very reactionary at times. Anyone who wanted to trade Duursma away clearly didn’t watch him play this year even before the VFL stuff.

As for CDT, his tap work is very good, his hitout numbers aren’t that high because he spent a large amount of time forward, not a hard concept to grasp.

CDT can drop the odd mark but to suggest he isn’t reliable aerially is insane, he generates 4-7 scoring shots per game at times lmao, no defender can keep up with his first few steps.

I mean, that's all well and good..but you gotta have a competent midfield to get him the ball first.

 

[ronpingwins]

https://archive.is/zkQk3

The Age phantom, which was decent last year I think. Has us taking Latrelle Pickett with our third….

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Judging by this thread opinion is so divided on this draft that no matter what we do on draft night this board will melt down and almost nobody will be happy.

Can we get a new category for the few folks on this board who can actually see the merit in drafting either of Sharp or CDT with pick 2, and won't melt either way?

I don't think its difficult to see the logic in both sides, and I don't think it will be an unmitigated disaster whichever occurs.

It really is my way or the highway for a lot of posters here, I mean sure have a preference but maybe just chill and reflect...take your blood pressure medication and smoke a cone, do your wife (try not to blurt something out about our midfield deficiencies while you're at it) ,walk your dog...whatever it is you do to calm down.

There are multiple pathways to building a premiership list and we are at the beginning of that path. There is sometimes a bigger picture that we can't see from behind our computer monitors. Our midfield definitely needs work, but sometimes improvement can come from the unlikeliest places at the unlikeliest times. Enjoy the ride.

 

[txbyhull]

That’s my point though, a lot of you are very reactionary at times. Anyone who wanted to trade Duursma away clearly didn’t watch him play this year even before the VFL stuff.

I wasn’t one of them, I’ve always wanted him with 1 or 2, now with 1. I think it’s more so body of work. Hes proved throughout a whole season he can impact as a utility at VFL level, swing forwards or back at CTL level and be a game-winner, as well as get contested ball through the middle. All questions at the start of the year.

As for CDT, his tap work is very good, his hitout numbers aren’t that high because he spent a large amount of time forward, not a hard concept to grasp.

Each to their own, from the few champs games I’ve watched I thought he got beat pretty squarely in his ruck time in the actual contest. No one would ever say he’s not competitive in the ruck as soon as the game is in transition I don’t think that’s ever been in question. As for the time forward, that’s fine, but you need to also be impressive in your KPF attributes when you go there.

CDT can drop the odd mark but to suggest he isn’t reliable aerially is insane, he generates 4-7 scoring shots per game at times lmao, no defender can keep up with his first few steps.

Which leads to this. It’s not about dropping marks entirely. He does do that, as he does take a few 2 or 3 grab marks overhead, but it’s the continual chest marks that are a scary habit. Even if yes like you said at VFL level he can get away from his defender I’d still like to see him at least take the mark with his arms extended for gods sake.

To think that there won’t be AFL defenders that can keep up with his first step is a little silly for mine. It’s not just his speed that makes him dangerous, it’s a combination of everything. But it’s what that combination lacks that people are concerned about given he’s meant to be a tall.

 

[txbyhull]

Can we get a new category for the few folks on this board who can actually see the merit in drafting either of Sharp or CDT with pick 2, and won't melt either way?

I don't think its difficult to see the logic in both sides, and I don't think it will be an unmitigated disaster whichever occurs.

It really is my way or the highway for a lot of posters here, I mean sure have a preference but maybe just chill and reflect...take your blood pressure medication and smoke a cone, do your wife (try not to blurt something out about our midfield deficiencies while you're at it) ,walk your dog...whatever it is you do to calm down.

There are multiple pathways to building a premiership list and we are at the beginning of that path. There is sometimes a bigger picture that we can't see from behind our computer monitors. Our midfield definitely needs work, but sometimes improvement can come from the unlikeliest places at the unlikeliest times. Enjoy the ride.

Agree with this wholeheartedly. Genuinely see the merit either way regardless of my biases or opinions. Think there’s no way we can come out of this draft having gone backwards like some seem to think.

 

[Barrybran]

I honestly think the club is trying to get three best picks in this year draft Duursma CDT and Sharp

its just working it out which is the issue

I was looking at how we might leverage a trade for pick 9 into a trade for pick 4 if Richmond are still into Grlj. The problem I see with that is I don't think Grlj gets past Melbourne.

 

[TerryFilk]

I mean, that's all well and good..but you gotta have a competent midfield to get him the ball first.

Okay and do you think Dyson Sharp is coming in day one and turning this midfield into a good midfield because he’s a bull lmao?

 

[Forward Press]

Agree with this wholeheartedly. Genuinely see the merit either way regardless of my biases or opinions. Think there’s no way we can come out of this draft having gone backwards like some seem to think.

Terry is right though - there is a pile on for anybody who questions the merit of Sharp at pick 2. Not saying it's you, for the record. And again - for the record - fine if we pick Sharp at 2. And again - for the record - not implying Sharp (if we pick him) will be Will Phillips or Ben Hobbs or Tom Mitchell Mk II.

Think we can have a genuine discussion on Dyson Sharp being the best pure midfielder in the draft but whether it is worthy of pick 2. Personally, I'm not sure.

 

[Shueygod]

Id completely disagree with this.

No one does that. People talk about the fact that he isn’t an elite ruck in the ways you’d want to see, nor is he a good overhead mark for a KPF. You won’t find anyone debating whether or not he’s a good athlete or has skills. It’s about how those attributes fit his position. I compare him to a blend of Blicavs and Jackson, leaning closer to Blicavs.

Multiple posters have stated that CDT is just an elite athlete and not a footballer today alone.

The only way to win clearance is not with a midfield full of bulls, but you do need A bull, which we don’t have. Teams are willing to get rid of non explosive, downhill skiers yes. Good thing Sharp is not that. He’s a better athlete than the likes of Hobbs and Phillips who he gets compared to by you guys, and he is the best two way player in the top end of the draft by FAR

Who was Collingwoods bull in 2023? Tom Mitchell? Hardly what I’d consider a bull.

Is Sharp a better athlete than Clark?

What about Sanders?

Phillips was more explosive but obviously has the cardio issues which have continued to haunt him.

It is interesting that all the first round versions of Sharp ready made inside mid (Hobbs, Phillips, Clark, Ward, Sanders, Sheldrick) in recent years haven’t impacted early despite all of them being touted as capable of doing so.

I would suggest even if we were to grab Sharp, people on this board need to seriously temper their expectations on what he will be capable of in his first couple of years.

He isn’t going to be a better inside mid than Dev Robertson (who I don’t even rate) his first year for example.

 

[Goroyals22]

https://archive.is/zkQk3

The Age phantom, which was decent last year I think. Has us taking Latrelle Pickett with our third….

I like this option , the guy has wheels and tricks.. easily slot in Ryan’s position

 

[eaglesnutcase]

I like to think West Coast supporters are switched on. But the obsession with Dyson Sharp in here is an eye opener, 108 votes at pick 2? A bloke with no speed who is a shit kick is critical to our rebuild apparently. We're going to take the player ranked 9th with pick 2? Look at all of the intel Twomey offers. Richmond aren't interested in him at all with picks 3 & 4. Essendon maybe but they just delisted Hobbs who's a similar type of slow inside mid. And Melbourne might not be interested in that type of one dimensional inside mid either after dumping Oliver. Today Twomey suggested Sharp might even be there with our pick 13. That's how low his ceiling is. I don't care how many tackles you lay, or how many contested possessions you get, if your opponent runs away from you with ease through the corridor you're a liability.

He..is ..not..a..shit..kick!!!!

 

[Shueygod]

Okay and do you think Dyson Sharp is coming in day one and turning this midfield into a good midfield because he’s a bull lmao?

According to some people he’s going to be the reason Harley stays as he gets support in the middle from Sharp the next two years, despite no player bar Harley being capable of such in their first season for as long as I can remember.

It must be coincidence all these young inside mids keep breaking down.

I’m sure Sharp will buck the trend and be the guy that’s a bull in his first season.

Draper had a better CV than Sharp, was a better prospect than Sharp and looked out of place at AFL level this year.

The expectations people are putting on this kid on this board are outrageous and are setting him up for failure.

 

[uptheWC]

Multiple posters have stated that CDT is just an elite athlete and not a footballer today alone.

The point people are making is that on football ability alone he is behind Sharp.

 

[txbyhull]

Multiple posters have stated that CDT is just an elite athlete and not a footballer today alone.

Wasn’t me mate.

Who was Collingwoods bull in 2023? Tom Mitchell? Hardly what I’d consider a bull.

Not a bull but a first possession contest-based accumulator. Call it what you want.

Is Sharp a better athlete than Clark?

What about Sanders?

Phillips was more explosive but obviously has the cardio issues which have continued to haunt him.

Sanders imo the only one here who at draft time was a better player than Sharp, and even then Sharp’s CV is better.

It is interesting that all the first round versions of Sharp ready made inside mid (Hobbs, Phillips, Clark, Ward, Sanders, Sheldrick) in recent years haven’t impacted early despite all of them being touted as capable of doing so.

Sharp is better than all named bar Sanders imo.

I would suggest even if we were to grab Sharp, people on this board need to seriously temper their expectations on what he will be capable of in his first couple of years.

He isn’t going to be a better inside mid than Dev Robertson (who I don’t even rate) his first year for example.

Given Dev is like 24 I can’t oppose that?

 

[Shueygod]

The point people are making is that on football ability alone he is behind Sharp.

They should say that then and not that he’s a “nearly footballer” or “Brander V2”.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

You’re surely saying the best mid of the last 3 years from his own draft. There were at least 5 better mids last year alone.

I'll make a wager with you.

By the end of 2026, there wont be 5 better midfielders from the 2024 draft class better than Sharp, who ever he plays for. And im not talking about the finn o'sullivans who get 30 by playing on the half back flank, or Lindsay on the wing, or murphy reid as a forward. Genuine coalface midfielder.


Rising star award - 10 or few games.
2024 eligible players -- Smith, Draper, Smillee, Allen, Hotton
Its between Sharp and smith.

Bookmark it

 

[txbyhull]

According to some people he’s going to be the reason Harley stays as he gets support in the middle from Sharp the next two years, despite no player bar Harley being capable of such in their first season for as long as I can remember.

It must be coincidence all these young inside mids keep breaking down.

I’m sure Sharp will buck the trend and be the guy that’s a bull in his first season.

Draper had a better CV than Sharp, was a better prospect than Sharp and looked out of place at AFL level this year.

The expectations people are putting on this kid on this board are outrageous and are setting him up for failure.

Draper did not have a better CV than Sharp mate come off it. Different kinds of player. Fair to say Draper was a more modern mid sure, but he wasn’t putting up the production Sharp has been

 

[kokedoodledoo]

According to some people he’s going to be the reason Harley stays as he gets support in the middle from Sharp the next two years, despite no player bar Harley being capable of such in their first season for as long as I can remember.

It must be coincidence all these young inside mids keep breaking down.

I’m sure Sharp will buck the trend and be the guy that’s a bull in his first season.

Draper had a better CV than Sharp, was a better prospect than Sharp and looked out of place at AFL level this year.

The expectations people are putting on this kid on this board are outrageous and are setting him up for failure.

How did Draper have a better resume than Sharp?

I’m all for being critical of Sharp but we still need to stay in reality. Sharp has one of the best CVs in a while.

Also Draper played HHF to begin his AFL career. A position not natural to him. Sharp would be rotating midfield to begin I would imagine.

I also don’t think people expect Sharp to pull us out of rebuild mode into premiership contention, but would be good to know the core group begin their development together from 2026 onwards.

 

[txbyhull]

Lmao at people naming a bunch of players with better CV’s than Sharp. Hobbs didn’t even have a better CTL stat sheet than Sharp did at u18 champs, a higher level competition.

Just to remind everyone this is Sharp’s rap sheet across champs.
27d (50% K:H), 4.5m, 5t, 1.3g

Sharp in SANFL u18 this season only playing 2 games at yes an inferior level to CTL but it’s his equivalent.
31d, 5m, 2t, 6c, 0.5g

Sharp as a bottom ager in SANFL u18 across 8 games.
27.1d (15.5k/11.8h @ 70%), 5.6m, 7.6t, 6.5cl, 4.8i50.

Say whatever you want, arguably the best CV in a while. Not to mention Larke medalist and a real leader.

The only comparison I can think of is Robertson who averaged 30d, 4.3m, 6.8t. Didn’t kick a goal or drag his team over the line undefeated though

 

[FKASC]

Phillips and Hobbs were still adept at winning the ball but they weren't much good for anything else.

I don’t think they were adept at winning the ball. They were just not very good at anything. It’s not like they were some Priddis-like clearance gods born 20 years too late.

This use of Phillips and Hobbs as evidence for this argument is a bit bonkers. As if they are the first top 10 picks to ever be delisted.

 

[Shueygod]

Wasn’t me mate.

Not saying it was but you said no one said that.

Not a bull but a first possession contest-based accumulator. Call it what you want.

You think Harley can’t be the best possible version of that?

Sanders imo the only one here who at draft time was a better player than Sharp, and even then Sharp’s CV is better.

Agreed, but I don’t think there was too much separating Sharp and the others at draft time, some of their limitations are obviously very clear in hindsight.

The point was largely around this “instant impact” Sharp is meant to be having.

Given Dev is like 24 I can’t oppose that?

Right and again this is just me correcting the borderline majority view of this board that Sharp is going to come in and be our second mid when he’d be lucky to be in the second rotation.

I'll make a wager with you.

By the end of 2026, there wont be 5 better midfielders from the 2024 draft class better than Sharp, who ever he plays for. And im not talking about the finn o'sullivans who get 30 by playing on the half back flank, or Lindsay on the wing, or murphy reid as a forward. Genuine coalface midfielder.


Rising star award - 10 or few games.
2024 eligible players -- Smith, Draper, Smillee, Allen, Hotton
Its between Sharp and smith.

Bookmark it

Ashcroft, Langford, Lalor, FOS, Smith and Draper are all better prospects than Sharp, there’d be arguments for Lombard (I’d have him above Sharp personally) and Smillie (Not for me) as well.

I think Sharp is a chance to have a better 2025 than some of those due to the role he may have but I’m taking any of those before Sharp if they are available in this draft.

I can’t see Sharp winning a rising star, contested mids like him simply don’t perform well early. It’ll likely be some one playing outside or a part time midfielder than can impact better forward like Hotton, Shanahan a bigger chance than half the names you listed as well just quietly.