List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[txbyhull]

You think Harley can’t be the best possible version of that?

I don’t think he should be no. He’s significantly better used imo as the second receiver and using his power and explosiveness to get out in space and be damaging

 

[kokedoodledoo]

I don’t think he should be no. He’s significantly better used imo as the second receiver and using his power and explosiveness to get out in space and be damaging

Agreed. Much better out the front of contest pulling defenders off their man, then passing off through kick or handball. One of the better players we have when it comes to running the ball into the forward 50, or out of the defensive 50 into the midfield.

 

[Shueygod]

Draper did not have a better CV than Sharp mate come off it. Different kinds of player. Fair to say Draper was a more modern mid sure, but he wasn’t putting up the production Sharp has been

How did Draper have a better resume than Sharp?

I’m all for being critical of Sharp but we still need to stay in reality. Sharp has one of the best CVs in a while.

Also Draper played HHF to begin his AFL career. A position not natural to him. Sharp would be rotating midfield to begin I would imagine.

I also don’t think people expect Sharp to pull us out of rebuild mode into premiership contention, but would be good to know the core group begin their development together from 2026 onwards.

Draper absolutely had a better CV, what are we even talking about right now.

Draper averaged 25D, 4T, 4cl was his states u18MVP and AA in his bottom age year.

He played his draft year champs through injury complaints and despite that performed well albeit not the level he reached the previous year.

He then went to the SANFL and put up 22.2D, 6T, 4.7cl a game including an injury impacted game which excluding that jumps to 24.4D, 6.5T and 5.6CL a game.

Levi Ashcroft another to have a better CV than Sharp.

 

[bzparkes]

Also Draper played HHF to begin his AFL career. A position not natural to him. Sharp would be rotating midfield to begin I would imagine.

Sharp was also played off the HFF in the SANFL this year, he wasn't played as a midfielder. I'd expect him to have a similar start to AFL as Draper, for the simple fact clubs don't like throwing young players to the wolves, so he's unlikely to impact in the midfield in any meaningful way for his first couple of seasons.

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

I'll make a wager with you.

By the end of 2026, there wont be 5 better midfielders from the 2024 draft class better than Sharp, who ever he plays for. And im not talking about the finn o'sullivans who get 30 by playing on the half back flank, or Lindsay on the wing, or murphy reid as a forward. Genuine coalface midfielder.


Rising star award - 10 or few games.
2024 eligible players -- Smith, Draper, Smillee, Allen, Hotton
Its between Sharp and smith.

Bookmark it

You've come a long way since last draft. 12 months ago we needed to bookmark Finn O'Sullivan as a star (comparison to McCluggage) but now he's reliant on getting cheapies from half back.



In addition, last year you were advocatong trading our future first for Draper which was always going to be top 4 pick.



This information does not completely contradict your thoughts on Sharp but if you felt he was going to be better than O'Sullivan and Draper not sure why you'd suggest trading our future first and theoretically cost us the opportunity to draft him.

 

[Shueygod]

I don’t think he should be no. He’s significantly better used imo as the second receiver and using his power and explosiveness to get out in space and be damaging

Agreed. Much better out the front of contest pulling defenders off their man, then passing off through kick or handball. One of the better players we have when it comes to running the ball into the forward 50, or out of the defensive 50 into the midfield.

Have to disagree, he’s a very good offensive weapon when he’s bursting from clearance but he isn’t what I’d consider an absolute elite second receiver. His biggest strength is in the contest. Reid, Hewett/Duursma and a defensive mid will be a fine combination in years to come in my opinion.

Ideally in time, Hewett/Duursma can play that receiver role just as well/possibly better than Harley.

 

[random260]

Draper absolutely had a better CV, what are we even talking about right now.

Draper averaged 25D, 4T, 4cl was his states u18MVP and AA in his bottom age year.

He played his draft year champs through injury complaints and despite that performed well albeit not the level he reached the previous year.

He then went to the SANFL and put up 22.2D, 6T, 4.7cl a game including an injury impacted game which excluding that jumps to 24.4D, 6.5T and 5.6CL a game.

Levi Ashcroft another to have a better CV than Sharp.

Did they win the U16 Kevin Shehan medal and U18 larke medal?????

Did they play an final as bottom ager and held their own ....

Harvey Langford
Sam Lalor
Riley Sanders

They are all Dyson Sharp wannabees. There is never going to be a more stacked inside mid with elite defensive talent and resume than Dyson, that is a fact.

He is the most decorated inside mid since Rowell and we are saying the most decorated inside mid is a reach at pick 2, okay then.

Just admit you do not think any inside mid is worthy of pick 1 or 2 and be done with it.

Mark my words the club will eventually spend a top 2 pick on an inside mid because of our utter failure to address it. So I will get what I want except it is going to be a Dyson Sharp wannabee with one or more of these:

1. Piss poor endurance (JHF and Lalor and Robby)
2. Poor defensive game (Clay Hall and JHF)
3. Poor attitude
4. Poor frame and height (Tom Gross/Jagga)
5. Poor footy IQ
6. Poor disposing under pressure
7. Poor resume (Robby)
8. Lack of Dual Position

The only other draftees who didn't have those negatives is MATT Freaking ROWELL

Enough said. Sharp haters are ****ing delusional. Who only argument is Sharp didn't win combine

People on this board just need to get out of fairy land thinking we will pick sharp at 2, it's pretty simple IMO

IF we hold pick 2 we will select CDT
IF we split pick 2 for a combination of 5 and something, we will likely pick Sharp.

I don't think it's that complicated and posters running around in circles here arguing that sharp is a worthy pick 2 might be very disappointed after the draft.

Fake news!!! CAL TWOOMEY himself for CDT lovers said we may toss up between CDT Sharp or Robby. Don't make stuff up. If we rate sharp we will pick him.

Especially if we have him higher then CDT on our draft board

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

If we do all miss out on our preferred players, just hope and pray they get to Essendon.

Completely alleviates any FOMO as they won't go on to make any sort of impact or achieve anything great there.

They're like a soft pillow of failure sitting below us on the draft ladder, waiting to catch and inevitably suffocate the talent that slips through our grasp.

 

[kokedoodledoo]

Draper absolutely had a better CV, what are we even talking about right now.

Draper averaged 25D, 4T, 4cl was his states u18MVP and AA in his bottom age year.

He played his draft year champs through injury complaints and despite that performed well albeit not the level he reached the previous year.

He then went to the SANFL and put up 22.2D, 6T, 4.7cl a game including an injury impacted game which excluding that jumps to 24.4D, 6.5T and 5.6CL a game.

Levi Ashcroft another to have a better CV than Sharp.

I think you might want to recheck the use of the word CV. Sharp’s CV is better than Draper’s.

 

[Shueygod]

Did they win the U16 Kevin Shehan medal and U18 larke medal?????

Did they play an final as bottom ager and held their own ....

Was sharp back to back u18 AA like Draper and Ashcroft?

Did Sharp have 35 and a goal at any level this year let alone at VFL?

Draper played league footy in his bottom age year and his top age season at league level was far superior than Sharps despite the injury interruptions.

This might sound silly to some but I rate the back to back AA’s in two stronger draft years higher than the Larke medal alone.

That’s not accounting for both players showing far more against men.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Confirming what we already knew.

 

[KERRPOW]

We've traded pick 58 to the dogs for their future 4th

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

I have no idea how the club decides on who to draft, when the brains trust on here can't agree after months & thousands of posts of debate & savaging of 17 year old kids over the most minor of perceived flaws in their skillset.

 

[Shueygod]

I think you might want to recheck the use of the word CV. Sharp’s CV is better than Draper’s.

If CV is purely accolades without context than yes, if we are including their respective SANFL statistics, Drapers similar champs statistics in his bottom age year to Sharps this year and Drapers back to back AA’s, than Draper clearly had the better production across the two seasons imo.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Confirming what we already knew.

Clarke blew it again!
Should have negotiated our pick 58 and not 53!

#amidoingitright?

 

[random260]

Was sharp back to back u18 AA like Draper and Ashcroft?

Did Sharp have 35 and a goal at any level this year let alone at VFL?

Draper played league footy in his bottom age year and his top age season at league level was far superior than Sharps despite the injury interruptions.

This might sound silly to some but I rate the back to back AA’s in two stronger draft years higher than the Larke medal alone.

That’s not accounting for both players showing far more against men.

Try again. Dyson Sharp as a bottom ager completely dominated in a game with Sid draper draft class.

If you ask Sid draper himself he would rate Sharp ahead. There is a reason why as a bottom age Sharp played as a mid and was a core midfielder with Draper

The fact remains Sharp CV is the most decorated since Rowell

 

[Spooky17]

We've traded pick 58 to the dogs for their future 4th

53?

Sack Simmo

 

[Shueygod]

Try again. Dyson Sharp as a bottom ager completely dominated in a game with Sid draper draft class.

If you ask Sid draper himself he would rate Sharp ahead. There is a reason why as a bottom age Sharp player as a mid and was a core midfielder with Draper

The fact remains Sharp CV is the most decorated since Rowell

Yeah in a game, Levi and Draper dominated a champs in just as good a draft class.

 

[random260]

Yeah in a game, Levi and Draper dominated a champs in just as good a draft class.

Sharps statistics don’t win a larke medal in any other year, it was simply a weak midfield class this year considering the injuries to a lot of his primary competition.

Lol. Sharp held his own as a bottom ager in Sid Draper draft class.... if we extrapolate that BOG game as a ****ing underager into him being of age then he would win it.....

Sharp haters are ****ing delusional screaming combine as their only argument. It's obvious CV doesn't matter. Also funny enough Sharp got top 10 agility as a u16. Soo....



Sid draper draft year...


Before you go on about Sharp regressing in his top level year well he won the larke medal so try again.

 

[WCErevival]

Clarke blew it again!
Should have negotiated our pick 58 and not 53!

#amidoingitright?

Mutt Clarke

 

[Happy Mastenator]

The funny thing with Sharp is that he's exactly what we need but there's a question as to whether CDT's upside is undeniable.

If we had pick 1 and pick 3, i think 99% of people here would be ok with taking Sharp at pick 3. So the question is should we just do it at pick 2 anyway if we can't trade down?

 

[random260]

The funny thing with Sharp is that he's exactly what we need but there's a question as to whether CDT's upside is undeniable.

If we had pick 1 and pick 3, i think 99% of people here would be ok with taking Sharp at pick 3. So the question is should we just do it at pick 2 anyway if we can't trade down?

That depends on our own draft board... its clear if we have sharp ahead of CDT on our draft board it is not even a question.


Unless somebody ITK is able to confirm that WCE have CDT ahead of Sharp on our draft board and I'm talking miles ahead then I am not too concerned. I'm unconvinced CDT is miles ahead or even ahead. Hence Cal himself mentioned we are tossing up

 

[Shueygod]

Lol. Sharp held his own as a bottom ager in Sid Draper draft class.... if we extrapolate that BOG game as a ****ing underager into him being of age then he would win it.....

Sharp haters are ****ing delusional screaming combine as their only argument. It's obvious CV doesn't matter. Also funny enough Sharp got top 10 agility as a u16. Soo....



Sid draper draft year...


Before you go on about Sharp regressing in his top level year well he won the larke medal so try again.

Despite Sharp having worse stats against far lesser opposition this year he would have won last years Larke medal? I find that hard to believe.

Here’s Drapers stats against Reid, Mckercher, Sanders etc his underage year:
25D, 4Cl, 4T,

Here’s Sharps stats against Annable, Greeves …. His top age year
27D, 6Cl, 5T, 1.3G

Including feasting upon a WA midfield where the best mid will go 40+ with 33 and 2.

The former for mine is more impressive.

Check out what Draper did in the SANFL his draft year and do a little comparison to Sharp this year for me or just keep going off a one game sample size.

JHF another with a better CV (since Rowell) than Sharp for what it’s worth, check out what he did in a SANFL final since you seem to hold that in such high esteem.

 

[Forward Press]

I don’t think they were adept at winning the ball. They were just not very good at anything. It’s not like they were some Priddis-like clearance gods born 20 years too late.

This use of Phillips and Hobbs as evidence for this argument is a bit bonkers. As if they are the first top 10 picks to ever be delisted.

And they ended up being delisted because as midfielders they were missing aspects to the game such as being good at transition football or being able to kick long and accurately or being good defensively etc etc. I mean, they went top 10 for a reason, their junior football was outstanding enough to warrant a high draft pick.

I do hope we take Dyson Sharp and I do hope he excels for us, my initial foray into this thread was about whether he was worthy of pick 2 according to the consensus on this board. Some are saying that the midfielders in this draft are not as strong as previous years. I wonder where Callum Twomey will predict Sharp goes when he does his final phantom draft.

 

[Barrybran]

The funny thing with Sharp is that he's exactly what we need but there's a question as to whether CDT's upside is undeniable.

If we had pick 1 and pick 3, i think 99% of people here would be ok with taking Sharp at pick 3. So the question is should we just do it at pick 2 anyway if we can't trade down?

Ideally, we'd draft both and bring in someone like Barker as the outside player