Your Movie and TV Hot Takes

[Roobs321]

thinking back to that 2008 race Brolin might’ve been the best chance, but it was hard to get a read on given Ledger was winning everything. I don’t recall RDJ or PSH being the main threat necessarily, and Shannon was about the nom itself. Milk had more internal competition with James Franco stealing votes, with just Brolin nominated he was likely going to finish second to Ledger.

 

[JHF1870]

it was already like that when he was alive, he was much more proven and accomplished than your examples, had a larger body of work and been acclaimed for longer. death didn’t really inflate his reputation at all, it just sucked, and robbed us of more excellent performances

Ill admit I didnt even know he existed. Prob saw him in movies but I only became a film buff post 2020.

I still havent watched Synecdohe. I feel like it will make me too sad

 

[Roobs321]

by 2002-03 at the latest he was generally regarded as one of the best actors of his generation

I remember in 2004 Empire Magazine Australia did a feature on the top 100 actors of all-time and he was already in there then.

 

[Plugger35]

You could argue that Heath Ledger was more deserving of an Oscar for his performance in Brokeback Mountain.

Ironically he got beaten by a great performance from Philip Seymour Hoffman playing Truman Capote in Capote.

That was fair enough, Crash winning the best picture Oscar ahead of Brokeback Mountain was controversial though.

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[Forward Press]

I mean, this thread is titled 'Your Movie and TV Hot Takes'.

I disagree with the PSH opinion too but respect it.

Another of my hot takes - The Big Bang Theory was enjoyable enough and did not deserve anywhere near the amount of hate it got from what I call the terminally online. It is often deemed as 'nerd blackface' or 'comedy made by dumb people about what they think smart people are like' but it has heart, encouraged interest in science and 'nerd culture', and there were far dumber sitcoms out there (like Two and a Half Men as a prime example).

 

[JHF1870]

I mean, this thread is titled 'Your Movie and TV Hot Takes'.

I disagree with the PSH opinion too but respect it.

Another of my hot takes - The Big Bang Theory was enjoyable enough and did not deserve anywhere near the amount of hate it got from what I call the terminally online. It is often deemed as 'nerd blackface' or 'comedy made by dumb people about what they think smart people are like' but it has heart, encouraged interest in science and 'nerd culture', and there were far dumber sitcoms out there (like Two and a Half Men as a prime example).

I Think people may have misread my post. I asked IF his cult status was influenced by his death like other celebrities. I have come to love his movies but never even knew him in part not being a movie buff.

 

[Forward Press]

I Think people may have misread my post. I asked IF his cult status was influenced by his death like other celebrities. I have come to love his movies but never even knew him in part not being a movie buff.

I agree on that point.

Robin Williams is idolised but it also means his stinker movies have been largely forgotten as a result. Dying prematurely elevates your status in entertainment.

 

[JHF1870]

I agree on that point.

Robin Williams is idolised but it also means his stinker movies have been largely forgotten as a result. Dying prematurely elevates your status in entertainment.

I Appreciated his roles post death in RV, Final Cut and One Hour Photo. But he always had a wide range of roles. His creepiness in one hour photo, and shyness in Final cut were extraordinary

I did mention Nirvana and Jeff Buckley and there is some popular consensus that they are over apprecisted as a result of their deaths. Im unsure on the psychology behind it.

 

[Forward Press]

I Appreciated his roles post death in RV, Final Cut and One Hour Photo. But he always had a wide range of roles. His creepiness in one hour photo, and shyness in Final cut were extraordinary

I did mention Nirvana and Jeff Buckley and there is some popular consensus that they are over apprecisted as a result of their deaths. Im unsure on the psychology behind it.

The Eulogy Song by the Chaser was controversial when it was released but sums it up nicely. Google it if you wish. People are elevated and misdeeds and missteps downplayed when they die.

 

[JHF1870]

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[JackOutback]

They'd have gone one of the other three probably Hoffman who already had a best actor gong

Tend to agree, they would go the safe choice, but Ledger and RDJ's roles were ultimately more memorable and have stood the test of time.

 

[JackOutback]

I Appreciated his roles post death in RV, Final Cut and One Hour Photo. But he always had a wide range of roles. His creepiness in one hour photo, and shyness in Final cut were extraordinary

I did mention Nirvana and Jeff Buckley and there is some popular consensus that they are over apprecisted as a result of their deaths. Im unsure on the psychology behind it.

I don't think Nirvana are "over appreciated" because of Cobain's death, they were legitimately the biggest band in the world for a period. Hell, he deliberately tried to sabotage his fame ahead of his death and it didn't work.

 

[Gralin]

Tend to agree, they would go the safe choice, but Ledger and RDJ's roles were ultimately more memorable and have stood the test of time.

I mean it depends what circles you move in

RJD gets remembered because he did blackface

Ledger gets remembered because he died

Being memorable because you're part of online meme culture doesn't mean you gave the best performance either

 

[JackOutback]

I mean it depends what circles you move in

RJD gets remembered because he did blackface

Ledger gets remembered because he died

Being memorable because you're part of online meme culture doesn't mean you gave the best performance either

I think we have moved well past Ledger being remembered simply because he died. It's a fantastic performance in a fantastic film and is viewed by many as the definitive superhero villain performance. Likewise, I don't think RDJ is remembered solely because it was blackface. In fact, every so often, some young person comes along and tries to 'cancel' him online only to be schooled on just what the role was satirising and how effective it was. In less capable hands, it may not have worked. The fact he did the DVD commentary in character just to extend a joke it but one reason why it's such a brilliant performance.

 

[Gralin]

I think we have moved well past Ledger being remembered simply because he died. It's a fantastic performance in a fantastic film and is viewed by many as the definitive superhero villain performance. Likewise, I don't think RDJ is remembered solely because it was blackface. In fact, every so often, some young person comes along and tries to 'cancel' him online only to be schooled on just what the role was satirising and how effective it was. In less capable hands, it may not have worked. The fact he did the DVD commentary in character just to extend a joke it but one reason why it's such a brilliant performance.

I'm not saying either of the performances are bad, I'm saying they have reasons beyond the performance that make them memorable

And the blackface has always been a part of why that role is remembered

As good as Ledger was you just can't separate the impact from his death

 

[crafty_bernardo]

I've only watched The Lobster from his body of work but Yorgos Lanthimos are/seem meh

 

[Gralin]

I've only watched The Lobster from his body of work but Yorgos Lanthimos are/seem meh

I've seen The Lobster, The Favourite and Poor Things all of which I rate

He's one of those directors you're either going to like or not I think

Poor Things did the old time hollywood sets and made it look like old time hollywood, unlike Frankenstein

 

[MC Bad Genius]

I've only watched The Lobster from his body of work but Yorgos Lanthimos are/seem meh

I absolutely loved The Lobster, but a bunch of my friends didn't enjoy it at all. I think you've probably gotta give another of his movies a chance before you rule him out completely.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

I've watched (and enjoyed) The Lobster, The Favourite, Poor Things and Kinds of Kindness. A friend has warned me off watching a couple of his other movies (he knows what my limits are) but I'm off to see Bugonia tonight and looking forward to it.

 

[Trucker Tiger]

The great Rewatchables pod was borne out of discussing Heat. And I love it.

They've since done a re-Heat pod, which I also loved.

Hot take: the (recent) What Went Wrong pod on Heat is far superior.

 

[UltraEgo]

The Dune movies are severely overrated

 

[Forward Press]

The Dune movies are severely overrated

I gave you a thumbs up because actual hot takes shouldn't get a downwards thumb even if I don't agree.

 

[Sketi]

The Dune movies are severely overrated

Part one I can see an argument for. Part 2 is fully sick though.

 

[JackOutback]

I found them both... fine. That's it. And I love sci-fi, just not Dune, apparently.

 

[spinynorman]

The Dune movies are severely overrated

Not the 1984 one though.