Training 2026 Preseason

[s_wd6]

If you are in a conversation where someone calls a shovel a spade by all means correct them. If you are continually bringing spades into conversations without a segue you are just being a dick.

Too many analogies there for me to decipher after night shift

 

[Paracleet]

Too many analogies there for me to decipher after night shift

0 is a pretty low analogy tolerance.

 

[freo84]

Whatever role Jye has needs to involve space in front. His best work is good strong leads at the ball carrier. I suspect he moves a bit further out from goal square and ends up leading up hard to HFF/Wing. Him wrestling is not his go - plus backmen illegally scrag him.

100% agree with you there.

Voss is the monster we need wrestling. Amiss has the pace and endurance to burn off his opponents. Treacy is just a beast in every aspect.

 

[jusjoshin]

Why though? He’s not big, so I’m guessing they’ll change his role? CHF leading with Voss and Treacy the main full forwards ?

Agree - always had him pegged as the one that pushes up. He should be modelling his game on Jeremy Cameron.

 

[GingerDocker]

Agree - always had him pegged as the one that pushes up. He should be modelling his game on Jeremy Cameron.

 

[Andy Brennan]

Why though? He’s not big, so I’m guessing they’ll change his role? CHF leading with Voss and Treacy the main full forwards ?

Yeah I'd imagine more leading and getting up the hff more with others deeper

 

[apuchar]

Yeah I'd imagine more leading and getting up the hff more with others deeper

Hopefully that means we leave a couple of our smalls in the forward fifty instead of them all being up the ground most of the time.

 

[theGav56]

The coaches did JOM and NOD in the final. Massive fail. I’m sure anything and everything should be looked at on the wing.

We have an aversion to drafting wingers, and undervalue them in our game plan under Longmuir.

With our current options I'm not sure that can change, but I am optimistic.

 

[Taylor]

I think every club values the contest more than the wingers, such that they play guys who can rotate through the stoppages. The last one that jumps to mind is the Demons with Langdon as a pure winger, played 100% TOG, but there was also a small army of midfielders that didn't need him rotating through there.

The other winger that comes to mind if McCluggage but even he plays at the stoppage plenty.

So I would expect that a player who can win a hard ball will get the nod over the role over a player who can just run and kick, and maybe just run.

 

[BettercallSaul]

Would the regular training watchers be so kind as to let me know the better days/times to go and watch? A mate and I are planning to head down next week.

 

[theGav56]

I think every club values the contest more than the wingers, such that they play guys who can rotate through the stoppages. The last one that jumps to mind is the Demons with Langdon as a pure winger, played 100% TOG, but there was also a small army of midfielders that didn't need him rotating through there.

The other winger that comes to mind if McCluggage but even he plays at the stoppage plenty.

So I would expect that a player who can win a hard ball will get the nod over the role over a player who can just run and kick, and maybe just run.

You are highlighting the problem with Sharp.

Geelong run Dempsey through the wing and he is a matchwinner. They also just drafted Barker. Holmes, Smith and Blicavs often roll through there. That kind of quality tells you the importance of the position to their game plan.

Sharp, O'Meara and Banfield tell you the same for us.

A winger isn't defined by just being able to run and kick.

 

[Taylor]

You are highlighting the problem with Sharp.

Geelong run Dempsey through the wing and he is a matchwinner. They also just drafted Barker. Holmes, Smith and Blicavs often roll through there. That kind of quality tells you the importance of the position to their game plan.

Sharp, O'Meara and Banfield tell you the same for us.

A winger isn't defined by just being able to run and kick.

I think we are agreeing. Smith, Holmes are the top two centre clearance players at Geelong, even Dempsey registered a centre clearance every five games.

I think we need players who are good at winning a contest or a ground ball who then rotate through the wing to cover that space role.

 

[Stevooo3940]

Get a wingman who is a beast in a 1 on 1 in the air. Clark and McVee are exactly that. And can both use the ball. Its a great out kick from defence and if they time it right can push forward and get easy shots on goal if they can find the space and force a 1 on 1 inside 50.

 

[Mags98]

Get a wingman who is a beast in a 1 on 1 in the air. Clark and McVee are exactly that. And can both use the ball. Its a great out kick from defence and if they time it right can push forward and get easy shots on goal if they can find the space and force a 1 on 1 inside 50.

im sure theres a world were all 3 of clark, mcvee and simpson are in the team and can rotate through that wing role as well.

 

[jusjoshin]

im sure theres a world were all 3 of clark, mcvee and simpson are in the team and can rotate through that wing role as well.

I'd like to see a more dynamic gameplan. We need some way to signal specific players on field to change roles.

 

[FreoRicci]

I'd like to see a more dynamic gameplan. We need some way to signal specific players on field to change roles.

If the team ever wants to push for top 2/top 4, it has to find a way to play their best and rotate through
Brisbane have done that really well with McCluggage, Rayner, Ashcrofts, Zac Bailey. McCluggage is an elite AA wingman but with Neale out he was an ever better inside mid.

 

[theGav56]

I think we are agreeing. Smith, Holmes are the top two centre clearance players at Geelong, even Dempsey registered a centre clearance every five games.

I think we need players who are good at winning a contest or a ground ball who then rotate through the wing to cover that space role.

We seem to use the wing to try and constrict the opposition game plan. The Lost Opportunity attached to that is significant. We become predictable and easier to defend against.

We really don't seem to mind if wingers leave. We seem equally casual about the idea that O'Meara (insert multiple names on our list here) is a plausible option in that position.

The only one of a similar calibre to Smith and Holmes we more than occasionally put there is Brayshaw, and that is kind of rare.

And we don't draft for the position. O'Driscoll maybe the only guy who seems fit for purpose.

 

[Dockernut]

We seem to use the wing to try and constrict the opposition game plan. The Lost Opportunity attached to that is significant. We become predictable and easier to defend against.

We really don't seem to mind if wingers leave. We seem equally casual about the idea that O'Meara (insert multiple names on our list here) is a plausible option in that position.

The only one of a similar calibre to Smith and Holmes we more than occasionally put there is Brayshaw, and that is kind of rare.

And we don't draft for the position. O'Driscoll maybe the only guy who seems fit for purpose.

Honestly, I have cooled on Drizzy. Look at his hunger and involvement in games at the beginning of this year compared to his shitful finish to the season and insipid finals effort. Not sure he is consistently impactful enough to make it.

 

[Alfonz]

We seem to use the wing to try and constrict the opposition game plan. The Lost Opportunity attached to that is significant. We become predictable and easier to defend against.

We really don't seem to mind if wingers leave. We seem equally casual about the idea that O'Meara (insert multiple names on our list here) is a plausible option in that position.

The only one of a similar calibre to Smith and Holmes we more than occasionally put there is Brayshaw, and that is kind of rare.

And we don't draft for the position. O'Driscoll maybe the only guy who seems fit for purpose.

Smith and Holmes are not really wingers. They attend 70-75% of centre bounces. Same goes for McCluggage. They are simply midfielders.

Dempsey is a fantastic winger, no doubt. But Brisbane just plonked Ah Chee (a Mr Fix It type of player, not a top line winger) on him in the GF and tried to break even. It worked out well enough. Dempsey's goals mostly came in junk time.

The other starting wingers in the GF were Bowes v Marshall (according to fanfooty log) ... basically a non-event as far as impact on the game. Others would have rotated through, but I don't think the wing battles had much impact on the GF.

That's not to say it can't be an important position during the year, but I don't think it is the glaring need that some people make it out to be. I think it is sufficient to have our B or C grade wing options when we have A graders in defence, ruck/centre and forward.

 

[yakamoto]

Is the new viewing area for training at Cockburn up and running?

 

[largebus]

Honestly, I have cooled on Drizzy. Look at his hunger and involvement in games at the beginning of this year compared to his shitful finish to the season and insipid finals effort. Not sure he is consistently impactful enough to make it.

Its not that he doesn't put in the effort he's just fumbly and an average kick. Can't play inside like Johnson or Erasmus because he doesnt have the strength.

Notably his 3 highest disposal games this year were all losses when Young was out. He had 68% CBAs when we got smoked by Geelong (one of those high disposal games) and barely featured in the middle afterwards. That tells you what the coaches think of his on ball ability.

Is an athlete like Sharp but otherwise has little point of difference

 

[chaosball32]

Its not that he doesn't put in the effort he's just fumbly and an average kick. Can't play inside like Johnson or Erasmus because he doesnt have the strength.

Notably his 3 highest disposal games this year were all losses when Young was out. He had 68% CBAs when we got smoked by Geelong (one of those high disposal games) and barely featured in the middle afterwards. That tells you what the coaches think of his on ball ability.

Is an athlete like Sharp but otherwise has little point of difference

Still remember that pre-season game against Melbourne early this year, he looked like Chad Warner and I thought he was going to have a breakout season but it never materialised.

I still have hope for Noddy but he needs to have a massive year next year and really assert himself.

 

[theGav56]

Smith and Holmes are not really wingers. They attend 70-75% of centre bounces. Same goes for McCluggage. They are simply midfielders.

Dempsey is a fantastic winger, no doubt. But Brisbane just plonked Ah Chee (a Mr Fix It type of player, not a top line winger) on him in the GF and tried to break even. It worked out well enough. Dempsey's goals mostly came in junk time.

The other starting wingers in the GF were Bowes v Marshall (according to fanfooty log) ... basically a non-event as far as impact on the game. Others would have rotated through, but I don't think the wing battles had much impact on the GF.

That's not to say it can't be an important position during the year, but I don't think it is the glaring need that some people make it out to be. I think it is sufficient to have our B or C grade wing options when we have A graders in defence, ruck/centre and forward.

Every single one of the players you mentioned are better wing options than JOM, Johnson, Erasmus, Banfield or Sharp.

Grand Final is also a pretty narrow way to assess a position.

 

[apuchar]

I don't agree that NOD can't play inside mid. The best game I saw him play for Perth was inside mid and he almost won the game of his own efforts as a 17 year old. He just doesn't seem to be able to return from injury and pick up his previous good form. imo

 

[BettercallSaul]

Is the new viewing area for training at Cockburn up and running?

Yes. I believe so.