F1 2025 Qatar F1 Grand Prix

[Pure_Ownage]

Lando is not finishing fifth unless there is an incident

Enter max.

 

[Coasters7]

Lando is not finishing fifth unless there is an incident

Definitely possible at turn 1 with who’s behind him. Both could cause mayhem. Max especially has nothing to lose and plenty to gain by being reckless.

 

[Barrybran]

Definitely possible at turn 1 with who’s behind him. Both could cause mayhem. Max especially has nothing to lose and plenty to gain by being reckless.

Max doesn't even have to be reckless. Oscar will likely come inside to cover off Lando. Lando will likely move outside to try and get around Oscar because he has far more confidence fighting Oscar than Max. Max can then follow Oscar inside and take the widest line possible to force Lando off track. If Lando is ahead, Max and Lando make contact and it is deemed a turn 1 incident, assuming the stewards are consistent. At worst, Max gets a penalty and Russell and maybe even Antonelli have passed Lando.

If Lando is smart, he accepts Oscar moving across, keeps the inside line and forces Max around the outside. Max likely gets him anyway but it's a better outcome for Lando than being forced off track or binning it.

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[Not Important]

Enter max.

i feel terrible about hoping lando gets wiped out - safely of course. just terrible. sadly, cos he has the ascendency with the numbers, he can afford more caution.

 

[Rod Stroker]

Definitely possible at turn 1 with who’s behind him. Both could cause mayhem. Max especially has nothing to lose and plenty to gain by being reckless.

nothing to lose? he's still a chance to win the championship.

It's for this reason he won't be doing any wheel banging or sending drivers into walls. He needs to keep it on the track, with no penalties, gaining maximum points to stay alive.

 

[Coasters7]

Max doesn't even have to be reckless. Oscar will likely come inside to cover off Lando. Lando will likely move outside to try and get around Oscar because he has far more confidence fighting Oscar than Max. Max can then follow Oscar inside and take the widest line possible to force Lando off track. If Lando is ahead, Max and Lando make contact and it is deemed a turn 1 incident, assuming the stewards are consistent. At worst, Max gets a penalty and Russell and maybe even Antonelli have passed Lando.

If Lando is smart, he accepts Oscar moving across, keeps the inside line and forces Max around the outside. Max likely gets him anyway but it's a better outcome for Lando than being forced off track or binning it.

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Will be very interesting because there’s plenty of egos at play and they’re all racing drivers so conceding ground intentionally isn’t natural. Just need to hope Oscar gets a good start first and foremost then the carnage can take place behind him.

 

[Coasters7]

nothing to lose? he's still a chance to win the championship.

It's for this reason he won't be doing any wheel banging or sending drivers into walls. He needs to keep it on the track, with no penalties, gaining maximum points to stay alive.

If he’s behind Lando at turn 1 his championship aspirations are over and I think he knows that too.

 

[happy_eagle]

with his team costing him more than that through team orders alone.

Outside of Monza when else has Oscar lost points to Lando via Team Orders

(Team Orders = when the team instruct drivers to invert position)

 

[Duck Farmer]

Outside of Monza when else has Oscar lost points to Lando via Team Orders

(Team Orders = when the team instruct drivers to invert position)

I think people also thought they could've swapped them at Silverstone since the team thought Oscar's penalty was harsh but, yeah, that's a bit of wishful thinking.

 

[dazbroncos]

Only Stroll would try driving when suspended in the air in said pits.

when he's 20th and last and only going out to do some data recon work for Quali.... hes such a tool.

 

[dazbroncos]

Oscar to drive off into the distance
Lando Max and GR to get spicy at T1....

Want Op to win
Max 2nd
GR third and Lando 4th.

And then that whole 6 points "give Lando the place back bullshit" gets more attention as the WDC would be hella closer...

But.. OP just needs to win it and not get effed over by gravel red flags or shit Mclaren pitstops.

 

[Forward Press]

Based on my crystal ball, I think Oscar 1, Lando 2, Max 3.

Max will of course have to take a little risk to stay in front of Lando, but Lando does not mind losing 3 points to Max, so I think he will get it done in turn 1 and Lando doesn't need to push hard to get the place back. Game theory and all.

McLaren this weekend is clearly the fastest car but there is no incentive to get tangled up with Max, Lando just needs a podium really and then backing it up at Abu Dhabi will get the job done.

Of course, still hoping they take each other out.

 

[Forward Press]

Outside of Monza when else has Oscar lost points to Lando via Team Orders

(Team Orders = when the team instruct drivers to invert position)

I don't bother with those kind of posters any more tbh. Facts don't matter to them.

 

[Forward Press]

I think people also thought they could've swapped them at Silverstone since the team thought Oscar's penalty was harsh but, yeah, that's a bit of wishful thinking.

And if we're talking bad luck, Lando's had more.

But I take the view anyway that no matter what, whoever is leading the points tally by the time Abu Dhabi finishes is a deserved winner of the WDC - and I still somewhat hope Max can get it done because the lulz would be hilarious.

 

[barrackers]

Outside of Monza when else has Oscar lost points to Lando via Team Orders

(Team Orders = when the team instruct drivers to invert position)

It’s more than just asking to swap positions. Off the top of my head,

Melb - orders to Piastri free to race, hold positions, free to race.

Monza - Part of the argument for swapping positions was Norris being dominant, but Piastri was asked to give Norris to tow to get him through Q2. Without that tow Piastri doesn’t start behind Norris. No returning the favour with a tow when Piastri was struggling for qualifying pace late in the season.

Hungry - Piastri fighting Leclerc for 1st & 2nd. Asks about a 1 stop, told it’s not possible. Piastri says he wants to cover Norris & doesn’t care about Leclerc. McLaren tells him to pit to cover Leclerc. Norris 1 stops, & jumps both Piastri & Leclerc to win.

I think people also thought they could've swapped them at Silverstone since the team thought Oscar's penalty was harsh but, yeah, that's a bit of wishful thinking.

For mine you either swap at both Monza & Silverstone or swap at neither.

They should have swapped Singapore though when Norris bounced off Verstappen and collected Piastri while trying to overtake both.


Edit: if you only consider those that are easy to determine points alternatives (not Melb or the tow to get Norris out of Q2),

Monza/Silverstone swap/non-swap, one win each, instead of 2 wins to Norris. 14 point turnaround.

Singapore swap, 6 point turnaround. Potentially Piastri doesn’t subsequently lunge & take Norris out in the US sprint with a position swap, 5 point turnaround.

Hungry Piastri covers Norris not Leclerc, with a McLaren 1-2 it’s a 14 point turnaround. With a Leclerc win it’s a 6 point turnaround.

 

[nohairandfair]

Oscar's only chance for the WDC is for a Lando DNF. Lets hope Max barrels into him at turn 1.

 

[Rod Stroker]

Oscar's only chance for the WDC is for a Lando DNF. Lets hope Max barrels into him at turn 1.

Max ain't going to do that and destroy his own chances

 

[Forward Press]

It’s more than just asking to swap positions. Off the top of my head,

Melb - orders to Piastri free to race, hold positions, free to race.

Monza - Part of the argument for swapping positions was Norris being dominant, but Piastri was asked to give Norris to tow to get him through Q2. Without that tow Piastri doesn’t start behind Norris. No returning the favour with a tow when Piastri was struggling for qualifying pace late in the season.

Hungry - Piastri fighting Leclerc for 1st & 2nd. Asks about a 1 stop, told it’s not possible. Piastri says he wants to cover Norris & doesn’t care about Leclerc. McLaren tells him to pit to cover Leclerc. Norris 1 stops, & jumps both Piastri & Leclerc to win.



For mine you either swap at both Monza & Silverstone or swap at neither.

They should have swapped Singapore though when Norris bounced off Verstappen and collected Piastri while trying to overtake both.


Edit: if you only consider those that are easy to determine points alternatives (not Melb or the tow to get Norris out of Q2),

Monza/Silverstone swap/non-swap, one win each, instead of 2 wins to Norris. 14 point turnaround.

Singapore swap, 6 point turnaround. Potentially Piastri doesn’t subsequently lunge & take Norris out in the US sprint with a position swap, 5 point turnaround.

Hungry Piastri covers Norris not Leclerc, with a McLaren 1-2 it’s a 14 point turnaround. With a Leclerc win it’s a 6 point turnaround.

Yeah and if my aunty had balls she'd be my uncle.

Too many hypotheticals or decisions based on the best available evidence at the time, the only actual team order was in Monza where the team decided to favour one driver clearly. Errors in strategy and covering and undercut attempts are not evidence of favouritism.

Even in Melbourne, that was a Piastri error that led to him finishing well down the order and Lando and the team had zero to do with that. But yet, an error in strategy is used as evidence that Oscar should've had more points.

Actually, why do I even bother with this. Meh.

 

[happy_eagle]

Oscar's only chance for the WDC is for a Lando DNF. Lets hope Max barrels into him at turn 1.

A bad start would be good enough given the likely lack of overtaking.

If Lando were to fall to say 4th then the gap would be 9 points which would be enough for a Lando 3rd, Oscar race win in Abu Dhabi.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Time for a few hours kip. See you all in the early morning.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Max doesn't even have to be reckless. Oscar will likely come inside to cover off Lando. Lando will likely move outside to try and get around Oscar because he has far more confidence fighting Oscar than Max. Max can then follow Oscar inside and take the widest line possible to force Lando off track. If Lando is ahead, Max and Lando make contact and it is deemed a turn 1 incident, assuming the stewards are consistent. At worst, Max gets a penalty and Russell and maybe even Antonelli have passed Lando.

If Lando is smart, he accepts Oscar moving across, keeps the inside line and forces Max around the outside. Max likely gets him anyway but it's a better outcome for Lando than being forced off track or binning it.

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Surely lando just let's Max go and accepts 3rd. So long as he can keep the 2 Mercedes behind him he is in the best spot to win the title next week.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

nothing to lose? he's still a chance to win the championship.

It's for this reason he won't be doing any wheel banging or sending drivers into walls. He needs to keep it on the track, with no penalties, gaining maximum points to stay alive.

He doesnt want a penalty but its hard to pass here. If he doesnt pass lando on lap 1 his championship is done so he will try everything legally to pressure him off the track and get by him. Max has form on being aggressive here.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Max ain't going to do that and destroy his own chances

He will if he can do it legally. Max knows the limit of the rules with how far he can and cant push it.

 

[DamoESP]

Will be hilarious to see how McLaren handle a slow pit stop for PIA if it gifts NOR the lead.

You just know they won’t have the balls to swap them back like in Monza…..

 

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