Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[bzparkes]

this is going down the path of the charlie kirk thread [if it hasnt already] .... some new contributors but the same old self righteous angst

Nowhere near as much celebrating someone being killed in this thread as the Charlie Kirk one, thankfully.

Some truly vile comments in there.

 

[Gavin Excell]

I'm glad you think you are getting something out of this tragedy, but there is definitley legitimate critisism that the government did nothing and demanding accountability is reasonable. You're right, it's not about politics. Its about accountability.

Time and time again they are saying the right things after the fact, but they have done nothing proactive and avoided all warnings and concerns.

It does raise the question about what point the right to protest remains sacrosanct, if theres a view that these constant protests create division and hate. I used to be firmly in right to protest camp, but im not so sure now.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

this is going down the path of the charlie kirk thread [if it hasnt already] .... some new contributors but the same old self righteous angst

Not really, seems to be far less people in here celebrating death like in the Kirk thread.

Hopefully those nut jobs stay out of it.

 

[kalex6251]

It does raise the question about what point the right to protest remains sacrosanct, if theres a view that these constant protests create division and hate. I used to be firmly in right to protest camp, but im not so sure now.

id happily ban the unhinged newscorp reactionaries using [abusing] this tragedy to further their RWNJ agenda

 

[2 eazy]

We have to locate this radical and extreme teachers who brainwash people do this stuff

 

[Coasters7]

They should when they are trained to do so. And when they also have a gun.

I'm not sure yet what happened with the cops, but IF they did stand by, they should be sacked. Period.

Can’t really do much when there’s an unknown amount of active shooters on the loose unless you happened to be in the immediate vicinity like a few civilians were.

Doesnt matter who you are, trying to run down a bloke from more than 10 metres away swinging a shotgun around on an open field is suicidal, unless you’re the army or special forces. Cops are civilians with a pistol in situations like this.

 

[The Sultan]

I have fired handguns from 10M and hit the bullseye.

i've fired hand guns at shooting range and hit the target. didnt have some MFr shooting at me, along with people running and screaming, and dead bodies on the ground..

but yeah, the cops shouldve run at the gunmen whilst duel welding their guns and head shotted them.

 

[10571z]

I wouldn't expect the average police officer to respond in an optimal fashion in that kind of situation. They might have some level of training for it, but we're not talking Special Operations Group (or whatever the NSW equivalent is).

People severely overate the effectiveness of a hand gun vs a rifle at range.

 

[peternorth]

These campaigners are going to love this incident, I'm sure we'll be hearing from them.

enemy of my enemy is my friend.

ergo these extremists are friends of the nazis?

 

[ferball]

No, but being anti-Jewish is not the same as being Pro-Palestinian.

What has "wanting a Palestinian state" got to do with two Pakistani-Australians killing Jewish people? That they blame innocent Jewish Australians for the crimes of Israel? Nobody should blame innocent Jewish people for the crimes of the state of Israel.

Unless you conflate being Jewish with the state of Israel, which is what terrorists do and clearly what these shooters want you to do.

I know of one Jewish poster on this site who is completely opposed to the genocide Israel is committing in his name. Mostly because its a brutal genocide but also he also acknowledged stuff like this would happen in response to such an extreme level of slaughter. He reckons it increases the risk he and his family face just being alive in Australia.

There's probably more.

Poster's on here carrying on that him and people like him support slaughtering Jewish people.

What happened yesterday is ****en appalling but its not much better when people are already using it to score political points. There are still people in hospital who might not make it and people are doing this?

 

[HirdsTheWord]

They should when they are trained to do so. And when they also have a gun.

I'm not sure yet what happened with the cops, but IF they did stand by, they should be sacked. Period.

you need a break from the thread guy

 

[HairyO]

don't think you can really get any tighter gun laws in Australia, without just plainly removing them all from existence.

The guy was allowed to keep 6 guns at his home and drive around with them.

He only broke a law once he started shooting at people (other than the planning, obviously).

So I reckon we can do a little tightening.

 

[beside the seaside]

I'm glad you think you are getting something out of this tragedy, but there is definitley legitimate critisism that the government did nothing and demanding accountability is reasonable. You're right, it's not about politics. Its about accountability.

Time and time again they are saying the right things after the fact, but they have done nothing proactive and avoided all warnings and concerns.

I'm curious as to what more they could have done? How could they have stopped this from happening?

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Identities being released. Victims include 10y/o child, French nationals, Israeli nationals, a Holocaust survivor, a rabbi with a 2 month old child.

 

[Del203211]

this is going down the path of the charlie kirk thread [if it hasnt already] .... some new contributors but the same old self righteous angst

This is coming from someone who has shown no outrage about the shootings or condemned it. Has posted purely about right wing media

You are so part of the problem it’s not funny.

 

[Fire]

I'm curious as to what more they could have done? How could they have stopped this from happening?

I have a couple of sugegstions I might share in a different thread to this one, as I don't really want to create a discussion on policy here. But at the same time I don't really need to; because the answer comes from reversing the question. Given the clear backdrop of increasing antisemitism and attacks, what did they try to do to stop it happening?

 

[Del203211]

Identities being released. Victims include 10y/o child, French nationals, Israeli nationals, a Holocaust survivor, a rabbi with a 2 month old child.

Shocking. Utterly shocking.

 

[schneebly111]

I'm curious as to what more they could have done? How could they have stopped this from happening?

Since 2023 the government has appointed a special envoy against antisemitism, a special task force of the AFP solely dedicated to combating antisemitism, $60 million for synagogue and other Jewish site protection, a ban on N*zi symbols and strengthening hate crimes legislation, declared the IRGC a terrorist group, expelled Iranian diplomats and neo Nazis directing hate against the Jewish community, and (quite controversially) adopted the IHRA definition of antisemitism.

 

[faible]

I have a couple of sugegstions I might share in a different thread to this one, as I don't really want to create a discussion on policy here. But at the same time I don't really need to; because the answer comes from reversing the question. Given the clear backdrop of increasing antisemitism and attacks, what did they try to do to stop it happening?

We've also had multiple shooting incidents that weren't antisemitism related; Wieambilla and Porepunkah for example.

ASIO would do a lot we never hear about to stop these incidents before anything happens. I don't think it's reasonable to pretend that the government is doing nothing at all about antisemitism.

 

[Balls In]

Albo should resign because for two years he has allowed hatred to fester.

This is just an obvious fact. Our pathetic excuse for a foreign Minister had to get dragged kicking and screaming to even go to Israel then refused to go to the massacre sites. Says it all.

 

[Kapow!!!]

Yep. Their primary job there is telling kids on skateboards to stop rail-grinding on the stairs and make people pour out alcohol when they shouldn't be drinking in public.

Not exactly equipped to deal with the worst mass shooting since Port Arthur, both physically and mentally.

It'd be surprising if any of them had even been in a shootout before, being based in Bondi.

It's ridiculous to suggest they should charge a guy with a bolt action rifle from long distance, in the open, with nothing but a pistol meant to take down someone wielding a knife.

It's also pertinent to point out that the genuine selfless courage of some civilians isn't a negative reflection on police who have different levels of training or instruction in these scenarios (or indeed the response time of more capable agents to attend a once in a decade/generation terrorist situation). A state cop with limited training and a handgun is not much better equipped to handle a situation with a (then) unknown number of shooters with high powered rifles and terrain advantage than the unarmed civilian sneaking up behind them.

It's also concerning seeing how many people say "why didn't the civvie just put a round in his leg" with the rifle as if that's just an easy thing to do in that situation and should be standard practice. Adrenaline, inexperience, pressure, personal squeamishness all need to be factored in. It would be very difficult even at close range to do that with such a small target and no guarantee of a second shot.

 

[ferball]

Bloody hell. I reckon if the Australian government did any investigating of that and found it to be true, that would be deemed as a matter of classified "national security" that citizens don't need to know about.

It was Abdurrahman Wahid. He was actually a renowned Muslim religious leader as well and dedicated much of his presidency to protecting the rights of non Muslim minorities.

He seemed like a genuinely decent politician so naturally he was removed from power after only two years as president.

 

[Del203211]

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It's also concerning seeing how many people say "why didn't the civvie just put a round in his leg" with the rifle as if that's just an easy thing to do in that situation and should be standard practice. Adrenaline, inexperience, pressure, personal squeamishness all need to be factored in. It would be very difficult even at close range to do that with such a small target and no guarantee of a second shot.

So spot on. Nobody knows what theyd do in that situation. Easy to chirp on a keyboard. I’m just glad that hero was big enough to be able to wrap both arms around neck and weapon too.

 

[dean33]

Father and son shooters, terrible terrible stuff.

 

[carlton_99]

This is just an obvious fact. Allowing anti semite marches every week using our iconic landmarks as props. Our pathetic excuse for a foreign Minister had to get dragged kicking and screaming to even go to Israel then refused to go to the massacre sites. Says it all.

Think you are confusing people marching because they believe Palestinians have a right to exist and anti-Semitism.

Were there any anti-Semites marching? Probably. Was that why the vast vast vast majority of people were marching. No.

Being pro-Palestinian does not mean you are anti-Judaism.