List Mgmt. AFLW List Management, Trades, Draft, Expansion Thread

[Firewalker]

I'm just guessing tbh, do we know if Smith got re-contracted?

Neither Smith or Leuzzi’s status has been announced so both are actually without a contract - Smith with the stronger connections in the club though.

 

[Firewalker]

Probably won’t find out if Stewart is any good for 3+ years given her frame and skill level and will probably be off the list by then.

I know I’m a broken record but no one will ever convince me in this AFLW competition selecting not ready bodies like; Blizard, Stewart and Gorman and needing to wait multiple years to get ready for little to no output at AFLW level is better for the team then having strong bodied SANFLW guns like Mel Anderson, Kiana Lee, Zoe Venning or Katelyn Rosenzweig who could be picked and ready to go right away.

Just more on this, very noticeable tonight that far too many (and this isn’t just a Crows issue) AFLW recruiters and list managers are far too busy trying to play mini-AFL recruiter with their AFLW role and simply do not grasp with a list of only 30 and having to cut players every year you simply can’t go trying to go full development player model and wait for multiple lighter framed ‘project’ players to develop over a 3-4 year period like you can in the men’s comp with 44 on the list.

North Melbourne the absolute best at having players ready to go on their list and look at how that’s helped them keep at a consistent level.

 

[Thunderstruck]

I'd be very disappointed if we didn't keep Leuzzi, is a quality talent.

Happy with our first 3 picks, especially Bown and Waye. Did want Eaton though.

 

[ContrarianCrow]

Will Chloe surpass Stuart as our greatest ever Bown? Fingers crossed.

 

[Cromulant]

Probably won’t find out if Stewart is any good for 3+ years given her frame and skill level and will probably be off the list by then.

I know I’m a broken record but no one will ever convince me in this AFLW competition selecting not ready bodies like; Blizard, Stewart and Gorman and needing to wait multiple years to get ready for little to no output at AFLW level is better for the team then having strong bodied SANFLW guns like Mel Anderson, Kiana Lee, Zoe Venning or Katelyn Rosenzweig who could be picked and ready to go right away.

Kiana wouldn't survive in AFLW football, nor Venning.

 

[Firewalker]

Kiana wouldn't survive in AFLW football, nor Venning.

Sometimes you just need to look past what they can’t do and see what they can do, they both know how to football and are better players then 18 year-olds right now. Kiana is still one of the most skillful players I’ve ever seen at any level by-far and Venning could find the football in the middle of the Indian Ocean - which is still better than only being able to touch it less then 5 times a game in my book.

I’d be ridiculously more confident in those 2 if there was injuries or if a spot opened up to being able to come in, play, contribute and actually help an AFLW team perform in 2026 and 2027 then having Gorman, Blizard and Stewart sitting there available who will take years upon years to be ready to play and contribute at AFLW level.

AFLW is not a child play crèche which our team management team treated it last night or a “she’ll be a very good a player in 5 years when she gets her body up to the level” visionary wannabe AFL men’s recruiter play-thing when the average time a player spends on an AFLW list is so short.

 

[Cromulant]

Sometimes you just need to look past what they can’t do and see what they can do, they both know how to football and are better players then 18 year-olds right now. Kiana is still one of the most skillful players I’ve ever seen at any level by-far and Venning could find the football in the middle of the Indian Ocean - which is still better than only being able to touch it less then 5 times a game in my book.

I’d be ridiculously more confident in those 2 if there was injuries or if a spot opened up to being able to come in, play, contribute and actually help an AFLW team perform in 2026 and 2027 then having Gorman, Blizard and Stewart sitting there available who will take years upon years to be ready to play and contribute at AFLW level.

AFLW is not a child play crèche which our team management team treated it last night or a “she’ll be a very good a player in 5 years when she gets her body up to the level” visionary wannabe AFL men’s recruiter play-thing when the average time a player spends on an AFLW list is so short.

You talk about not being ready physically, Zoe Venning would weigh 45kg on a fat day.

As for Kiana, she would get chewed up and spat out mentally from an AFLW system.

 

[Firewalker]

You talk about not being ready physically, Zoe Venning would weigh 45kg on a fat day.

Venning has played senior football against senior bodies for 5 years, and is a very fit individual, there’s a difference between hardened bodies and heavy bodies.

 

[Cromulant]

Venning has played senior football against senior bodies for 5 years, and is a very fit individual, there’s a difference between hardened bodies and heavy bodies.

And shes gotten smaller physically in that time. She would get beaten up in the AFLW

There's also the fact that the SANFLW has slipped in recent seasons, its not the level that it was. I really like Kiana Lee as a footballer in particular and shes a lovely human, but shes got some issues with mental fragility that would get exposed.

 

[Tas]

Just more on this, very noticeable tonight that far too many (and this isn’t just a Crows issue) AFLW recruiters and list managers are far too busy trying to play mini-AFL recruiter with their AFLW role and simply do not grasp with a list of only 30 and having to cut players every year you simply can’t go trying to go full development player model and wait for multiple lighter framed ‘project’ players to develop over a 3-4 year period like you can in the men’s comp with 44 on the list.

North Melbourne the absolute best at having players ready to go on their list and look at how that’s helped them keep at a consistent level.

I think everyone has project players but lists are pretty thin, you can't afford to have too many. It is hard to be an elite level football, it is just a lot harder if you are physically not ready for it.

I think we traded out all bar one player that wasn't at least a regular on the emergency list of games over the last couple of years. I think all of them can play and I think they will be good players for their new clubs. You just don't have three years to get on the park in a meaningful way, a lot of your development has to be done on the run.

There is definitely a type we have been recruiting since 2020, I think we are a bit thin in the key position department but it is hard to be critical atm.

I think there will eventually be a tipping point in the AFLW when everyone who is playing has elite level running ability and the variance is fairly small, like in the men's competition, you have to be almost Olympic level of speed to stand out. But atm there is a huge variance between the extreme ends of it in the AFLW and there is a significant advantage to be had if you focus in the good end of it. Carlton improved a lot in a short period of time by focusing more on it.