Shooting at a Jewish event in Bondi

[_Mike_]

MOD NOTE: leave the hateful comments out of the thread, this is not the place for it

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Are you still defending terrorists, GP?

No Lebbo. I'm just worried that you might shoot yourself in the foot again.

 

[jannissary]

Only one n in Janissary.

I guess the religious people from that country are pretty brain dead too.

well aware, i was drunk when i changed it.

 

[Cactus_]

Australia will never be united ever again.

Society is breaking down right before our very eyes.

Nonsense

There have been massive divisions in Australia all throughout our history, including lots of violence

Irish Catholics vs English Protestants

Colonists vs Indigenous Australian

Communists vs Anti-communists

Gay people being targeted by violently homophobic people

The list goes on

(Not to mention previous targeting of Jewish Australians)

These examples are not meant to in any way diminish the fear and outrage Jewish people are feeling at this time, but implying this is society “breaking down”? No.

The vast majority of Australians are outraged but what happened at Bondi and stand with the Jewish community that was targeted

(And yes there are a few vocal antisemites and they are rightly condemned but they do not represent Australians in general)

 

[Tigerat2020]

 

[Goroyals22]

Albo needs to come out tomorrow and call out this hateful division the Libs and Nats are peddling, that unity is important in times like this with their political point scoring not in the nation's interests.

So you want the bloke who stands infront of three flags and spent 400million on a divisive referendum to suddenly care about unity?? Ok

 

[1990crow]

So you want the bloke who stands infront of three flags and spent 400million on a divisive referendum to suddenly care about unity?? Ok

It was only divisive because of all the racists in this country. Your attitude on that says a lot.
The no vote was a stain on our nation's continuing oppression of indigenous people.

 

[pjcrows]

So you want the bloke who stands infront of three flags and spent 400million on a divisive referendum to suddenly care about unity?? Ok

You mean the Referendum that had bi-partisan support for years, up until the LNP needed a culture war to rail against because they had nothing to offer?

 

[Boomerfan99]

No, I just say it when the same predictable people use the same predictable opportunities to roll out the same predictable racism against Muslims.

If you were providing a nuanced criticism of Islam, I wouldn't call you Islamophobic. But you're not.

There's a couple of you who pop up with the same thing whenever the opportunity presents itself, and often when it doesn't but you can try to shoehorn in a criticism of Muslims anyway.

Racism???

 

[Bostonian]

Nonsense

There have been massive divisions in Australia all throughout our history, including lots of violence

Irish Catholics vs English Protestants

Colonists vs Indigenous Australian

Communists vs Anti-communists

Gay people being targeted by violently homophobic people

The list goes on

(Not to mention previous targeting of Jewish Australians)

These examples are not meant to in any way diminish the fear and outrage Jewish people are feeling at this time, but implying this is society “breaking down”? No.

The vast majority of Australians are outraged but what happened at Bondi and stand with the Jewish community that was targeted

(And yes there are a few vocal antisemites and they are rightly condemned but they do not represent Australians in general)

I wasn't referring specifically to this one incident in Bondi.

I am referring to all the garbage happening in society TODAY.

We just had several hundred mini morons rioting through a supermarket in Melbourne.

That NEVER happened when I was growing up.

The levels of violence, lawlessness and crime on the streets were never like this in previous generations.

The complete disrespect and treatment of our elderly has NEVER been like it is now in our history.

The utter disrespect and danger our emergency services have to face was NEVER like this in the past.

The list goes on.

 

[pjcrows]

I wasn't referring specifically to this one incident in Bondi.

I am referring to all the garbage happening in society TODAY.

We just had several hundred mini morons rioting through a supermarket in Melbourne.

That NEVER happened when I was growing up.

The levels of violence, lawlessness and crime on the streets were never like this in previous generations.

The complete disrespect and treatment of our elderly has NEVER been like it is now in our history.

The utter disrespect and danger our emergency services have to face was NEVER like this in the past.

The list goes on.

 

[Bostonian]

What a clownish response.

You're basically mocking things that impact fellow Australians lives daily.

 

[pjcrows]

What a clownish response.

You're basically mocking things that impact fellow Australians lives daily.

No, I'm mocking you.

 

[Bostonian]

No, I'm mocking you.

No you're not.

You're mocking the points I raised.

Which means you think it's funny, it's a big old nothing to be worried about.

Don't worry emergency services if you feel unsafe while doing your job like never before.

Pjcrows is there to mock your fears and diminish them with his clown memes.

 

[pjcrows]

No you're not.

You're mocking the points I raised.

Which means you think it's funny, it's a big old nothing to be worried about.

Don't worry emergency services if you feel unsafe while doing your job like never before.

Pjcrows is there to mock your fears and diminish them with his clown memes.

If we zoom out far enough, every generation can find a headline that proves “society is collapsing.” That’s not analysis, that’s vibes.

Previous generations had full-scale race riots, biker wars, and plenty of hooligans - just without smartphones to immortalise it.

“That NEVER happened when I was growing up” - Neither did 24/7 news, viral videos, or instant outrage delivery. The chaos didn’t start recently, we just started filming it.

Objectively false re: crime. Violent crime peaked decades ago. The past just feels calmer because you only remember the good bits and forgot the mugging stats, domestic violence, and vehicle deaths.

Previous generations stuck the elderly in institutions, ignored abuse, and called it “how things are.”

Ultimately I'm not clear what this has to do with two Muslim extremists slaughtering 15 Jewish people.

 

[Bostonian]

If we zoom out far enough, every generation can find a headline that proves “society is collapsing.” That’s not analysis, that’s vibes.
Previous generations had full-scale race riots, biker wars, and plenty of hooligans - just without smartphones to immortalise it.

“That NEVER happened when I was growing up” - Neither did 24/7 news, viral videos, or instant outrage delivery. The chaos didn’t start recently, we just started filming it.

Objectively false re: crime. Violent crime peaked decades ago. The past just feels calmer because you only remember the good bits and forgot the mugging stats, domestic violence, and vehicle deaths.

Previous generations stuck the elderly in institutions, ignored abuse, and called it “how things are.”

Ultimately I'm not clear what this has to do with two Muslim extremists slaughtering 15 Jewish people.

Is that you Jacinta Allen?

You must be wet behind the ears if you think we're as united as a nation as we ever were, you're deluded.

My wife is a paramedic so don't talk shit to me about how it's no less safe for people than it was 20/30 years ago even.

She's seen first hand how things have gotten worse and far more unsafe than when she started way back when.

The past feels calmer because my mother, my grandmother would walk the streets feeling safe.

My grandmother felt safe waking the streets at night when she was even in her middle age.

You think she feels the same now?

 

[Percel]

So you want the bloke who stands infront of three flags and spent 400million on a divisive referendum to suddenly care about unity?? Ok

Understanding Unity is not in your bailiwick friend.

 

[Percel]

What a clownish response.

You're basically mocking things that impact fellow Australians lives daily.

Pretty much the world unfortunately Bosto, things are changing

 

[pjcrows]

Is that you Jacinta Allen?

You must be wet behind the ears if you think we're as united as a nation as we ever were, you're deluded.

My wife is a paramedic so don't talk shit to me about how it's no less safe for people than it was 20/30 years ago even.

She's seen first hand how things have gotten worse and far more unsafe than when she started way back when.

The past feels calmer because my mother, my grandmother would walk the streets feeling safe.

My grandmother felt safe waking the streets at night when she was even in her middle age.

You think she feels the same now?

I didn't realise whether we are "united as a nation" was tied to crime stats. I think we're more politically polarised and less united in that sense, certainly. In the past, incidents like Bondi would have brought leaders together, for example.

As far as safety goes, I've got no doubt that people's perceptions of safety are worse than the past (there's probably a stat on this, I'll try find it). In Melbourne there has likely been a rise in some street crimes (again, stats would probably show this but I don't know) but Australia as a nation isn't Melbourne.

Australia was and continues to be one of the safest places in the world to live, and even though there are variations, overall crime isn't getting worse.

Again, how is this related to Bondi? Muslims are bringing in the violence? Genuinely want to know.

 

[Bostonian]

I didn't realise whether we are "united as a nation" was tied to crime stats. I think we're more politically polarised and less united in that sense, certainly. In the past, incidents like Bondi would have brought leaders together, for example.

As far as safety goes, I've got no doubt that people's perceptions of safety are worse than the past (there's probably a stat on this, I'll try find it). In Melbourne there has likely been a rise in some street crimes (again, stats would probably show this but I don't know) but Australia as a nation isn't Melbourne.

Australia was and continues to be one of the safest places in the world to live, and even though there are variations, overall crime isn't getting worse.

The people who go reaching for stats don't live in reality.

It's normally slime ball politicians who try to use stats to tell people their feelings are invalid and that they are wrong about how they feel.

Go look up the stats for volunteering.

There's community breaking down which is part of a society breaking down.

If people aren't bothered to get out there and help others then they aren't caring one bit about being "uniting" with others.

 

[Bostonian]

Pretty much the world unfortunately Bosto, things are changing

Seems so.

How people treat the Police/Ambos etc is a good indication of how society is going.

 

[ZEV]

Cheap from Frydenberg. Cheap nasty grandstanding whilst the Jewish community is mourning. An absolute Liberal stunt to politicise and weaponise this incident against Albanese and Labor. Absolutely piss poor from a person that should be genuinely mourning.

Did he have the same things to say about Howard after Port Arthur?

Take your crocodile tears and **** off.

Josh is part of the Jewish community and is voicing how we feel.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

The people who go reaching for stats don't live in reality.

It's normally slime ball politicians who try to use stats to tell people their feelings are invalid and that they are wrong about how they feel.

Go look up the stats for volunteering.

There's community breaking down which is part of a society breaking down.

If people aren't bothered to get out there and help others then they aren't caring one bit about being "uniting" with others.

End stages of capitalism.

I’d expect there will be more supermarket riots.

 

[pjcrows]

The people who go reaching for stats don't live in reality.

It's normally slime ball politicians who try to use stats to tell people their feelings are invalid and that they are wrong about how they feel.

Go look up the stats for volunteering.

There's community breaking down which is part of a society breaking down.

If people aren't bothered to get out there and help others then they aren't caring one bit about being "uniting" with others.

Okay, so now we're not talking about crime stats as an indicator of unity, because a) you don't believe them and b) we shouldn't use stats.

So you've referred me to look at volunteering stats as an indicator of unity (ironic but I'll go with it).

Alright, let's discuss volunteering. This requires an individual to have time to give. Most people these days need paid employment to put food on the table, with less time for not only volunteering but other activities such as recreation. How are volunteering stats related to national unity?

 

[Bostonian]

End stages of capitalism.

I’d expect there will be more supermarket riots.

To be replaced by left or right wing Authoritarianism?

 

[T2B_]

If people aren't bothered to get out there and help others then they aren't caring one bit about being "uniting" with others.

And you do this I assume? Hopefully including with our LGBT members of society