Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[T2B_]

They genuinely must just browse Bigfooty and Facebook and think there is this massive contingent of the Australian population that will nod their heads along with what they are saying.

As if that worked the last election.

It's kind of funny some people obviously only read Murdoch owned rags and Facebook echo chambers etc, think everyone thinks like that, and then have a surprised Pikachu face that the election went the way it did lol

 

[Demons09]

Frydenburg was brilliant shock horror that the lefties on here don’t agree with it, stick with the slime ball Albo and his side kick Wong who has gone into hiding.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I know it was about Pauline and Barnaby?

How do you know they have been contacted by members within their own party for action?

It usually occurs.

Take personal bias out of it regarding those two for a single second.

I have no doubt the Jewish community contacted every man and his dingo in the media. But Hanson and Joyce are so toxic to calm debate that perhaps they should not have reached out to them. It's not like they're His Majesty's opposition.

 

[Demons09]

this right wing 'edgelord sarcasm' is tiring .... and offensive

Did it hit a nerve.

 

[Norwegian Blue]

Unlike Albo, Chris Minns is showing leadership. Recalling parliament, updating gun laws, and banning inflammatory protests. Naturally, the Palestine Action Group is concerned they won't be able to spew hate anymore, but they can GAGF.

Cap on guns, ban on protests during terror events: How Bondi massacre will change NSW laws

The premier will move to cap gun ownership, and mass protests during a declaration of terrorism would be banned in a suite of measures parliament will debate next week.

www.smh.com.au

And to all those asking what Albo could or should do: read this article: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...sn-t-dithering-on-terror-20251217-p5nogc.html

The author makes many good points as to what the government should have done in the past and could do in the future, but this is the most salient bit:

Third and most importantly, Labor can finally take on the preachers who have for too long manipulated young men in Australia’s suburbs, preaching hostility towards anyone Jewish, gay, or simply infidel. It’s a national scandal that a small group of radicals has been allowed to spew hatred in such a brazen manner.

And Labor is actually best placed to do this. It's happening in their electoral heartland, and if the LNP were to in power and tried to do it, they'd be faced with cries of racism. But I suspect they'll be too timid.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Frydenburg was brilliant shock horror that the lefties on here don’t agree with it, stick with the slime ball Albo and his side kick Wong who has gone into hiding.

At least try and spell his name correctly. Otherwise just call him Josh or Frydo

 

[Demonic Ascent]

not ban the clerics

ban the EXTREMIST clerics.

These guys are posting this shit on Instagram, they aren't exactly hiding from view.

Make calling for Jihad, Sharia law etc hate speech, and ****in put them behind bars if they are Australian, or deport them if they are not.

How hard is it

this is a fit in for **** off moment if there ever was one.

I agree, anyone who is found to be inciting violence should be held to account.

 

[1990crow]

I agree, anyone who is found to be inciting violence should be held to account.

So Frydo, Hanson, Howard, Abbott, Ley, Morrison etc should all be locked up?
Because that's what they're doing.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Its what the left do. They dig as deep as possible to find anything to discredit people they dislike. If that fails they start with blatant lies (see the AI circulating)

It’s also what the right do.

 

[ElectricG]

So Frydo, Hanson, Howard, Abbott, Ley, Morrison etc should all be locked up?
Because that's what they're doing.

Give it a rest. They are not.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Barely a word about rampant homophobia and racism during the Marriage Equality and Voice debate from the same people who've now decided words matter.

Sadly with social media and the internet now completely dominating how we humans communicate with each other, the arrival of any contentious topic is immediately marked by desperate attempts to dictate who gets to say who gets to say.

 

[Festerz]

Chris Minns is showing leadership. Recalling parliament, updating gun laws, and banning inflammatory protests. Naturally, the Palestine Action Group is concerned they won't be able to spew hate anymore, but they can GAGF.

Under our Constitution it is up to the States to impose restrictions on those things of course. Although legislative mechanisms including referrals of powers and all states agreeing to pass model legislation under the co-operative federalism model has been used in many areas where the Commonwealth lacks constitutional authority.

Albanese convened a meeting of state and territory leaders to discuss these things within two days of the Bondi massacre and all states are now working closely with the Minns Government to determine if the model being proposed there is appropriate for their jurisdictions.

The exact details of what Minns is proposing are not yet available but it does appear to be almost identical to legislative changes passed by the Malinauskaes Labor Government in South Australia in 2023 banning hate speech, provocative racist and nazi symbols and placing limitations on the conduct of public protests under the Summary Offences (obstruction of Public Places) Amendment Act 2023 (SA).

It should be noted that this legislation was passed with the support of the then Liberal Opposition but vehemently opposed by the Greens (and an array of public interest groups such as Amnesty International and the Human Rights Commission). I am yet to hear the Greens position on what is being proposed by the Minns Government. In any case it is important to avoid a knee jerk reaction to tragic events and impose restrictive freedoms on the right to protest that provide additional powers to state and territory police forces that restrict freedoms and would be very difficult to wind back.

SA Premier Malinauskas was on the ABC today talking about his legislation, which is the strongest in Australia, where he talked about that need to tread the line very carefully to preserve the right to protest as a basic freedom in Australia.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

So Frydo, Hanson, Howard, Abbott, Ley, Morrison etc should all be locked up?
Because that's what they're doing.

Well thats the difficulty isn't it, who is the arbiter and what is the threshold for inciting violence? Anyone specifically promoting violence is different to politicians marginalising/scapegoating minority groups but politicians also have the power of the state behind them so their less direct comments could still be seen as problematic.

I think anyone specifically calling for violence against a group of people should be held to account though, whether they be Muslim clerics, Neo-Nazis, Christian fundamentalists, far left atheists, members of Parliament, doesn't matter. People should never be targeted solely based on their protected attributes such as gender, race, sexual orientation, religious beliefs, disability etc

As long as the exercise of your freedom doesn't impinge on the freedom of others you should be left alone to live your life your own way. If you incite violence against others based on their attributes then you should be held accountable for that.

 

[ferball]

Wikipedia is not a reliable source.

Wikipedia is probably the most reliable source online these days.

Its open source, demands references that can be reviewed by anybody and keeps logs of all the changes to its pages and the discussions surrounding those changes. Anybody can work it and anybody can criticise decisions made and that criticism stays there in its talk pages.

Its the only mainstream site that isn't actively trying to monetise your search for information online.

 

[Deliverance]

So Katter and Babet have to go I guess, if antisemitism is as virulent as is being suggested we can't have guys who knock around with neo Nazis sitting in Parliament.

Post that on his FB page, see how quick he sooks and blocks you.

 

[Gough]

Post that on his FB page, see how quick he sooks and blocks you.

I've picked up a lot of bad habits in my life but somehow I avoided Facebook.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

I agree, anyone who is found to be inciting violence should be held to account.

i imagine this is a major reason why jews in Australia have the shits.

they are seeing extremist Islamic clerics calling openly for death in the western suburbs of Sydney and a government/police force too limp dicked to do anything about it.

monitor them, shut them down if they do it and **** them off or imprison them.

you call for Sharia law or Jihad, 5 years in prison. Stop it at the source before nitwit low IQ kids like this shooter get indoctrinated into extremist forms of Islam.

If i can see this shit on Instagram, wtf is ASIO and the authorities doing?

 

[ferball]

I would like to know where the various posters get their information from; for example we get The Age and The Australian delivered every day and read to try and get a balanced view, we listen to both the ABC and 3AW for the same reasons; but I get the impression that most posters here are left wing and believe everything they read or to what they listen. Try and get out a bit more.

Until last year the ultimate boss of the Age was Peter Costello.

The ABC board is run by former Murdoch staff and Liberal party supporters.

You're not getting a balanced view of anything from those sources these days. Its not 1995 anymore.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

i imagine this is a major reason why jews in Australia have the shits.

they are seeing extremist Islamic clerics calling openly for death and a government/police force too limp dicked to do anything about it.

monitor them, shut them down if they do it and **** them off or imprison them.

you call for Sharia law or Jihad, 5 years in Prison. Stop it at the source before nitwit loq iq kids like this shooter get indoctinrated into extremist forms of islam.

On the flip side, we see some Jewish leaders and even ‘charities’ supporting settler terrorists and an extreme far right war machine.

So yes, the problem is extremists of all sorts.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Unlike Albo, Chris Minns is showing leadership. Recalling parliament, updating gun laws, and banning inflammatory protests. Naturally, the Palestine Action Group is concerned they won't be able to spew hate anymore, but they can GAGF.

Cap on guns, ban on protests during terror events: How Bondi massacre will change NSW laws

The premier will move to cap gun ownership, and mass protests during a declaration of terrorism would be banned in a suite of measures parliament will debate next week.

www.smh.com.au

And to all those asking what Albo could or should do: read this article: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...sn-t-dithering-on-terror-20251217-p5nogc.html

The author makes many good points as to what the government should have done in the past and could do in the future, but this is the most salient bit:



And Labor is actually best placed to do this. It's happening in their electoral heartland, and if the LNP were to in power and tried to do it, they'd be faced with cries of racism. But I suspect they'll be too timid.

I thought Minns spoke well when he stuck up for the Police Force to some reckless and ill informed criticism

 

[campbell]

Give it a rest. They are not.

Take your blinkers off please.

 

[Gavin Excell]

i imagine this is a major reason why jews in Australia have the shits.

they are seeing extremist Islamic clerics calling openly for death in the western suburbs of Sydney and a government/police force too limp dicked to do anything about it.

monitor them, shut them down if they do it and **** them off or imprison them.

you call for Sharia law or Jihad, 5 years in prison. Stop it at the source before nitwit low IQ kids like this shooter get indoctrinated into extremist forms of Islam.

If i can see this shit on Instagram, wtf is ASIO and the authorities doing?

Yeah I think they need to be more public too about deportations which are happening

 

[Festerz]

Frydenburg was brilliant shock horror that the lefties on here don’t agree with it, stick with the slime ball Albo and his side kick Wong who has gone into hiding.

 

[Bloods86]

I agree now is not a time for a political fight.

I just think Frydenberg is one of the few politicians that can claim his is a personal one based on race rather than politics.

I think his statement was made as an Australian Jewish man.

Everyone focusing on one sentence and the instant dismissal of the rest of what he said is pretty evident in here. Which is wild considering the events of this week. It’s like it already didn’t happen.

I saw Frydenberg's speech as one impacted by emotion, which generally would be completely understandable. Unfortunately he made it publicly and very political.

It wasn't just one sentence and the whole thing doesn't need to be nonsense for him to receive criticism.

I'd hope over time he realises that some of his remarks were unreasonable.

 

[Gavin Excell]

I saw Frydenberg's speech as one impacted by emotion, which generally would be completely understandable. Unfortunately he made it publicly and very political.

It wasn't just one sentence and the whole thing doesn't need to be nonsense for him to receive criticism.

I'd hope over time he realises that some of his remarks were unreasonable.

Agree theres genuine emotion and its understandable but what tips it into the political also is that the sole target of his spite is not the gunmen (who rarely get a mention) but the PM