Test The Ashes Third Test December 17-21 1000hrs @ The Adelaide Oval

[AJ_2000]

Marto copping strays in here. Was a fantastic batter

The 1994 SCG Test against South Africa still cuts deep... plus they pushed him in ahead of Deano.

 

[AJ_2000]

Maybe not a metre but they were humungous no-balls (you can see on the video)
The video doesn't zoom in on the crease after ball one but you can see the location his gather step and bowling action relative to the stumps/others standing around and they're at least just as bad as the first ball

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Jason Gillespie was asked about the net bowlers who were chronic oversteppers - B Lee and S Watson

 

[Gough]

The 1994 SCG Test against South Africa still cuts deep... plus they pushed him in ahead of Deano.

It was plain embarrassing we lost to those hicks.

 

[AJ_2000]

www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/articles/c79xynw7e39o

Truly some top tier receipt keeping going on here. Basically every English counterpoint shut down.

England said their four nights in the beach resort of Noosa had been scheduled for more than a year, which possibly leaves it as one of the best-planned parts of the tour.

Some used it in the spirit it was intended. Root, for example, had accommodation with his family away from the main drag and was never spotted near a bar. It was curious that more family members were not present for what was billed as a break from the Ashes.

For others, it was a glorified stag do. Some members of the team followed two days of drinking in Brisbane with four more in Noosa – six in total, as many days as there had been of Test cricket at this point in the tour.

Sharp stuff from he Beeb

 

[the_interloper]

Marto copping strays in here. Was a fantastic batter

I feel like he's rated higher by those who played with/against him than your common cricket fan. Amazing timer of it, unlucky we had that Steve Waugh team in his prime, hard to get a game. And he missed T20 pretty much but he would have been one of the best at that format IMO.

 

[icyflakes]

England said their four nights in the beach resort of Noosa had been scheduled for more than a year, which possibly leaves it as one of the best-planned parts of the tour.

Some used it in the spirit it was intended. Root, for example, had accommodation with his family away from the main drag and was never spotted near a bar. It was curious that more family members were not present for what was billed as a break from the Ashes.

For others, it was a glorified stag do. Some members of the team followed two days of drinking in Brisbane with four more in Noosa – six in total, as many days as there had been of Test cricket at this point in the tour.

Sharp stuff from he Beeb

The lack of family members is incredibly interesting - after all, they love to go on about how they were so isolated during their last tour here.

 

[BGman]

At the Pres/Cer Ben Stokes told Isa Guha that Australia ''executed things more consistently than us''. That is a massive understatement Stokes. Australia were more clinical, smarter, ruthless plus better tactically in all the important moments of each Test. Just when your guys sensed the ascendancy our guys came back with a killer blow such as a vital partnership or a swag of wickets or your guys threw away that ascendancy with a brain dead shot from a form of aggressive batting instigated by your coach because that is the way he played his Test cricket. England will now have to live with the fact that they have beaten us only once on Aussie soil since 1986/7.

 

[Gough]

I feel like he's rated higher by those who played with/against him than your common cricket fan. Amazing timer of it, unlucky we had that Steve Waugh team in his prime, hard to get a game. And he missed T20 pretty much but he would have been one of the best at that format IMO.

In keeping with the rest of my existence I'm a slacker cricket fan and he was just so easy on the eye.

 

[revo333]

No we don't. This isn't a freaking football team that can no longer make finals ffs! It's international test cricket and you pick people who are ready and deserve it. The future will take care of itself. Neser should most definitely be coming in if a pace bowler is out.

Good grief I'm seeing some utter horse sh!t here regarding possible changes.

Win the series and people suddenly want to make 4-5 changes to the them.

 

[hugecannon]

Issue for England is two changes they could make - Namely Bethell and Bashir - barely play FC cricket. Bethell is on the white ball scene and Bashir doesn't have a county club atm given his place at Somerset saw him loaned to another county as he was behind Leach and Vaughan.

So their best reserve bat doesn't play much FC cricket and their reserve spinner is 3rd in line at his county. Sound selection strategy from England.

Is there a specific reason they went away from Leach? His record is reasonably solid.

Does he just not bazball enough??

 

[chunkylover]

At the Presentation Ceremony Ben Stokes told Isa Guha that Australia ''executed things more consistently than us''. That is a massive understatement Stokes. Australia were more clinical, smarter, ruthless, and better tactically in all the important moments of each Test. Just when your guys sensed the ascendancy our guys came back with a killer blow such as a vital partnership or a swag of wickets or your guys threw away that ascendancy with a brain dead shot from a form of aggressive batting instigated by your coach because that is the way he played his Test cricket. England will now have to live with the fact that they have not beaten us on Aussie soil since 1990/91. That is 10 consecutive series over more than a generation.

1986/87 and did 2010/11 never happen?

 

[icyflakes]

Is there a specific reason they went away from Leach? His record is reasonably solid.

Does he just not bazball enough??

Only 3 matches in Aus and you can't really blame him for being shit in that covid tour given the dross the batters were putting up for him to defend.

His golf handicap must be as poor as Foakes'

 

[Coasters7]

For Test cricket my philosophy is different, and simpler. Always pick the best fit and available eleven to win the next match.
Where selectors often fail imo is not dropping veterans who aren't performing because it ends their careers. As far as I'm concerned, if they can earn their way back through form they can come back in.
"If you're good enough you're old enough" the saying goes; but add also you're young enough. The point is you have to be good enough, not perhaps good enough in two years time.

Test caps aren't to be given out on potential or to blood someone. Let them earn their spot by learning their game first. If they earn their place, then the adjustments are not so much technical but the added scrutiny (opposition and public) that comes with the higher level.
You're not building a club to a premiership window. Every Test is a grand final.

Yeah still has to be someone who’s got good shield form for sure, and I’m not saying to gut the squad and replace them with kids.

But with how our selection policy seems to be, someone like Webster will get picked for the next 5 years and have a middling career, rather than picking guys with high potential that have an opportunity to face international quality bowlers and improve, rather than face the current state of the shield squads.

If we currently have Inglis at 7 then we can sure as hell afford to have Kellaway or someone in there instead. Same with Neser and Doggett, both just placeholders so why not go with an O’Neill or someone who still has a fantastic shield record but with one eye on him potentially being a long term option.

 

[hugecannon]

Any updates on McSweeney’s injury?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Any updates on McSweeney’s injury?

No timeline yet

 

[Kapow!!!]

And both too cheap for hotspot

Meh, Hotspot roundly embarrassed itself with the Stuart Broad non dismissal in 2013.

If we wanted the best results following the scientific method you'd employ both knowing they're both fallible but using hotspot only as a backup to snicko. But if we're leaving it outside the control of a regulatory body and in the hands of a broadcaster (aka a business) then we get what they pay for.

 

[icyflakes]

Meh, Hotspot roundly embarrassed itself with the Stuart Broad non dismissal in 2013.

If we wanted the best results following the scientific method you'd employ both knowing they're both fallible but using hotspot only as a backup to snicko. But if we're leaving it outside the control of a regulatory body and in the hands of a broadcaster (aka a business) then we get what they pay for.

Hotspot was never supposed to be a replacement to snicko/ultraedge, but a complementary product. But yes, it's pathetic that its up to the broadcaster and not the board or even just the ICC

Wasn't the whole problem with hotspot that players had found ways to use special stickers/tape on their bats to make hotspot less likely to work?

 

[kickazz]

With our injuries and Crawley and perhaps even Smith getting some confidence, it may well be game on in Melbourne.


I truly think their bowling is weak though. If we can get our bats improving just a little then we can win comfortably

 

[kickazz]

Hotspot was never supposed to be a replacement to snicko/ultraedge, but a complementary product. But yes, it's pathetic that its up to the broadcaster and not the board or even just the ICC

Wasn't the whole problem with hotspot that players had found ways to use special stickers/tape on their bats to make hotspot less likely to work?

This is true.

But how hard would it be to ban those stickers?

 

[grumbleguts]

And again cricenglandfo load the bias gun and fire:

They can even rue the drop on 5 of Usman Khawaja, who went on to 82, and the Snicko mistake that allowed Alex Carey to move from 72 to 106. But even this fight, called for by Stokes in the lead-up but only administered in the final, meaningful round, just served to make Australia's victory sweeter.

How many times are those idiots going to blithely ignore the fact that there was a clear gap between bat and ball in that instance.

 

[Gough]

Apropos of nothing, Dougie Walters is 80 today.

 

[icyflakes]

This is true.

But how hard would it be to ban those stickers?

I guess if someone invented stickers like 10 years ago, if the technology continued, you'd assume someone would've invented a spray variant or something less detectable relatively quickly. Pretty sure there's a few ways of doing that, that the militaries around the world already use. It's not foolproof but when its a feather edge you only need something to be mildly effective

 

[cats_09]

And both too cheap for hotspot

There's 2 main reasons hotspot really isn't used anymore - cost & it was never officially part of the DRS technology to be used

Why is Hotspot not used extensively when making DRS calls?​

To be clear, cricket's governing body, the International Cricket Council have never included the Hotspot as one of the technologies to be used in Decision Review System calls for any of their tournaments.

The decision to use it in bilateral series is entirely left to the individual boards and broadcasters.

The usage of Hotspot has decreased in recent years as it is a military technology and is very expensive (which costs around $10,000 per day) for the broadcasters.

Why is Hotspot technology not a part of the India vs Australia Test series? | Sporting News Australia

KL Rahul's wicket against Mitchell Starc in Perth sparks controversy as the question arises about the unavailability and non-usage of hotspot technology.

www.sportingnews.com

 

[Bedi]

With our injuries and Crawley and perhaps even Smith getting some confidence, it may well be game on in Melbourne.


I truly think their bowling is weak though. If we can get our bats improving just a little then we can win comfortably

Not actually sure we would've won that test without Cummins and Lyon. Both dug deep for crucial wickets at big moments. They are big outs but we were already 2-0 up without them (Lyon little influence 1st test), so no doubt we can cover them. But am wondering how Starc's body is holding up -- esp with short turnaround and having bowled in that heat. Has had a big workload this month. But with no Hazlewood or Cummins it would need to be more than general soreness to rest him. Plus it doesnt get any bigger than playing Eng in front of 95,000 people so good luck trying to get that ball out of his hand

 

[badgrill]

Same with Brook's dismissal too. His shot was so mind-numbingly stupid. Paid no regard to the context of the game.

I reckon Brook is the face of bazball.

I don't necessarily agree that Smith or Brooks shots were 100% Bazball, players having been getting out to stupid shots even when set since, I dunno, forever?

Bazball comes in when they don't take accountability for it and admit anything is wrong with it.

A cult.

IMHO