Anthony Albanese - How long? -3-

[Dogs_R_Us]

It is 100 per cent being driven by them, though. They keep repeating that the community is outraged and angry. That's not what I am seeing, though, in my workplace or my community. People are saddened, frustrated even that religious conflicts that we have largely tried to steer our country away from are finding their way here, but despite the rhetoric from the Opposition and press, I'm not seeing anyone else call Albanese a murderer.

The fact is, this was an attack inspired by IS ideology, not Hamas, there's no evidence that the two gunmen ever attended a Palestinian rally, supported Palestinian statehood or were inspired by the government's announcement it would recognise a future Palestine state. The bow that is being drawn here is impossibly long. Anti-Semitism is on the rise globally, that's not Albanese's fault either. In fact, the only world leader that could immediately do something to bring the temperature down is Benjamin Netanyahu and he doesn't care to.

Netanyahu is a convenient excuse for "Well, Zionists are awful", but he is not driving antisemitism. And it doesn't come out of fresh air. It is stoked by a worldwide network of countless groups such as the ones who fund the coordinated marches we see weekly on our streets, as well as listed terrorist organisations that inflitrate communities via the internet and particularly target young men, ie

Australian National Security Website

The Australian Government's first priority is to keep our community safe from people who seek to do us harm.

www.nationalsecurity.gov.au

Our educational institutions, universities, are also culpable as has been acknowledged.

Of course, Albo is not a murderer, but he is a dodger, he hands off problems instead of facing them. We can't look to him for inspired leadership. He hopes fine words will look as if he is doing something but his record tells us not to get our hopes up. Reviews, enquiries, plans - "clear plans!" - look busy, but melt away after a while and he hopes everything will blow over.

 

[Gralin]

A state Royal Commission cannot inquire into issues in another jurisdiction; that's why there are calls for a federal Royal Commission.

And it is not bulltish to say we need a Federal RC given at least 2 states have experienced serious acts of antisemitism. There are lessons to be learned that a RC in one jurisdiction is unlikely to achieve for obvious reasons.

There should not be a RC into this event.

The guys were on a terrorist watch list and nothing was done about them stockpiling guns

They had known links to ISIS and the government who dropped the ball is blaming antigenocide protests so they can ban our right to protest

You think an RC is going to fix the problem?

There wasn't a RC after Port Arthur or after the Lindt Cafe so why should this one be treated differently?

You think we'd be getting these calls if a they'd targeted a mosque?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

There should not be a RC into this event.

The guys were on a terrorist watch list and nothing was done about them stockpiling guns

They had known links to ISIS and the government who dropped the ball is blaming antigenocide protests so they can ban our right to protest

You think an RC is going to fix the problem?

There wasn't a RC after Port Arthur or after the Lindt Cafe so why should this one be treated differently?

You think we'd be getting these calls if a they'd targeted a mosque?

Why would a radical Islamist target a mosque?

 

[Gough]

Why would a radical Islamist target a mosque?

They see most Australian Muslims that don't subscribe to their lunacy as just much of an enemy as anyone else.

 

[Gralin]

They see most Australian Muslims that don't subscribe to their lunacy as just much of an enemy as anyone else.

Why would terrorists commit an act of terror sure is a dumb question but here we are

 

[JackOutback]

Netanyahu is a convenient excuse for "Well, Zionists are awful", but he is not driving antisemitism. And it doesn't come out of fresh air. It is stoked by a worldwide network of countless groups such as the ones who fund the coordinated marches we see weekly on our streets, as well as listed terrorist organisations that inflitrate communities via the internet and particularly target young men, ie

Australian National Security Website

The Australian Government's first priority is to keep our community safe from people who seek to do us harm.

www.nationalsecurity.gov.au

Our educational institutions, universities, are also culpable as has been acknowledged.

Of course, Albo is not a murderer, but he is a dodger, he hands off problems instead of facing them. We can't look to him for inspired leadership. He hopes fine words will look as if he is doing something but his record tells us not to get our hopes up. Reviews, enquiries, plans - "clear plans!" - look busy, but melt away after a while and he hopes everything will blow over.

Netanyahu is committing a genocide that is stirring up anger worldwide, then conflating Israel with all Jews as an attempt to deflect from criticism. If he stopped murdering women, children, doctors and journalists tomorrow, I guarantee you the temperature would cool almost immediately. It won't change the opinions of the dedicated bigots but it will remove the cover they seek amongst genuine outrage.

 

[Sttew]

There should not be a RC into this event.

The guys were on a terrorist watch list and nothing was done about them stockpiling guns

They had known links to ISIS and the government who dropped the ball is blaming antigenocide protests so they can ban our right to protest

You think an RC is going to fix the problem?

There wasn't a RC after Port Arthur or after the Lindt Cafe so why should this one be treated differently?

You think we'd be getting these calls if a they'd targeted a mosque?

In your opinion.

And don't put words in my mouth. I have never said a RC is going to fix a problem, but if done properly and cooperatively they sure as hell flush out the issues instead of internal departmental investigations that are a complete waste of time. What makes a Royal Commission useful is that it is in the public domain, run independently and can compel individuals to give evidence under oath. Of course the government can ignore recommendations but at least we know what they end up ignoring instead of a complete lack of transparency,

As you have previously pointed out a mass shooting in Australia is uncommon. In my lifetime we've had a handful, if that. You don't think any lessons can be learned from what happened on 14 December 2025, or about how agencies share information; how police in different jurisdictions share information?

Why should we have one now? Probably because Bondi was the culmination of something that has been brewing for about two years.

 

[Gralin]

In your opinion.

And don't put words in my mouth. I have never said a RC is going to fix a problem, but if done properly and cooperatively they sure as hell flush out the issues instead of judicial inquiries or departmental investigations that are a complete waste of time. What makes a Royal Commission useful is that it is in the public domain and run independently. Of course the government can ignore recommendations but at least we know what they end up ignoring instead of a complete lack of transparency,

As you have previously pointed out a mass shooting in Australia is uncommon. In my lifetime we've had a handful, if that. You don't think any lessons can be learned from what happened on 14 December 2025, or about how agencies share information; how police in different jurisdictions share information?

Why should we have one now? Probably because Bondi was the culmination of something that has been brewing for about two years.

I don't think having a royal Commission into antisemitism is going to help anything at all no

Nor do I think its warranted when two ISIS recruited terrorists on a watch list for 6 years were allowed to legally stockpile guns

 

[Sttew]

I don't think having a royal Commission into antisemitism is going to help anything at all no

Nor do I think its warranted when two ISIS recruited terrorists on a watch list for 6 years were allowed to legally stockpile guns

That is probably THE reason for a RC. How is that ASIO and the Federal Police were caught napping? What other systemic failures are there that we the public don't know about? Do we need a complete overhaul of the Home Affairs security system? That's what RC's are for. And the RC doesn't have to be just about antisemitism

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Very good selection, especially Wistrich. No doubt you've read them all and are able to grasp why this hatred is unique and at least equally worthy of fighting at all costs.

Having read more than two or three history books I'm aware of other people having suffered from discrimination, persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity etc etc

Can you specify what is unique about antisemitism vs any other form of persecution or bigotry?

I agree it is equally worthy of fighting it, that's my point. Any form of discrimination should be addressed. My belief is it starts with education and exposure, you can prosecute hate speech etc but by then it's too late. You have to stop it getting to that point in the first place. Some of the shit I hear from people I know and some of the stuff I see them share/post online makes me sick and I just think, what hope to their kids have of growing up without that racism/bigotry passed down?

I'm not sure what the government is planning, it's an extremely difficult thing to overcome. As you said, racism and bigotry have been around for thousands of years. I doubt whether banning a couple of slogans is going to be the silver bullet some seem to think or be hoping for.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

If I was doing marketing for GyG, I would run a Globalise the Enchilada campaign.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Having read more than two or three history books I'm aware of other people having suffered from discrimination, persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity etc etc

Can you specify what is unique about antisemitism vs any other form of persecution or bigotry?

I agree it is equally worthy of fighting it, that's my point. Any form of discrimination should be addressed. My belief is it starts with education and exposure, you can prosecute hate speech etc but by then it's too late. You have to stop it getting to that point in the first place. Some of the shit I hear from people I know and some of the stuff I see them share/post online makes me sick and I just think, what hope to their kids have of growing up without that racism/bigotry passed down?

I'm not sure what the government is planning, it's an extremely difficult thing to overcome. As you said, racism and bigotry have been around for thousands of years. I doubt whether banning a couple of slogans is going to be the silver bullet some seem to think or be hoping for.

I have already in several posts tried to do that, but I’m obviously not articulate enough; others can explain it better than me.

Antisemitism: how the origins of history’s oldest hatred still hold sway today

Antisemitic incidents are on the rise across the globe. To understand this modern hatred we need to look into the past and understand its origins.

theconversation.com

It’s ok to line up antisemitism with all the other prejudices in the world but right now, when it is the issue of intense focus right now, don’t you think it deserves to be concentrated on exclusively without looking for equivalences to downplay it?

 

[JackOutback]

It’s ok to line up antisemitism with all the other prejudices in the world but right now, when it is the issue of intense focus right now, don’t you think it deserves to be concentrated on exclusively without looking for equivalences to downplay it?

No. While what happened was an absolute tragedy and we should do what we can to ensure it doesn't happen again, it does not supersede everything else. I certainly do not care for the implication from some on the conservative side of politics (your Joyces, Hansons, Erin Molan) that we should start demonising Muslims in response. We can walk and chew gum at the same time and address bigotry where and when we see it.

I would also suggest the average Aboriginal person, you know, the original inhabitants of this land, suffer more racism in their day-to-day lives than anyone else in this nation, it permeates everything, which is why they are disproportionately represented when it comes to prison, poverty, lack of education etc. But this country does a great job of pretending we don't need to concentrate on that. And that's not an equivalence to downplay Bondi, though it is a test of whether people are actually against bigotry in all its forms, or pick and choose where to direct their outrage.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

No. While what happened was an absolute tragedy and we should do what we can to ensure it doesn't happen again, it does not supersede everything else. I certainly do not care for the implication from some on the conservative side of politics (your Joyces, Hansons, Erin Molan) that we should start demonising Muslims in response. We can walk and chew gum at the same time and address bigotry where and when we see it.

I would also suggest the average Aboriginal person, you know, the original inhabitants of this land, suffer more racism in their day-to-day lives than anyone else in this nation, it permeates everything, which is why they are disproportionately represented when it comes to prison, poverty, lack of education etc. But this country does a great job of pretending we don't need to concentrate on that. And that's not an equivalence to downplay Bondi, though it is a test of whether people are actually against bigotry in all its forms, or pick and choose where to direct their outrage.

So there’s a hierarchy of prejudices and antisemitism is low priority?

 

[Kram]

Indigenous Australians can hold a public event in this country confident that it will be in safety.

If I was Jewish I wouldn't even tell anyone the way things are atm.

 

[Kyptastic]

Indigenous Australians can hold a public event in this country confident that it will be in safety.

If I was Jewish I wouldn't even tell anyone the way things are atm.

You sure about that?

Calls for attack on Aboriginal site to be declared hate crime

The attack on Aboriginal protest site Camp Sovereignty is just the latest attack on First Nations sites and people. Indigenous leaders want it declared an act of terror.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Kram]

You sure about that?

Calls for attack on Aboriginal site to be declared hate crime

The attack on Aboriginal protest site Camp Sovereignty is just the latest attack on First Nations sites and people. Indigenous leaders want it declared an act of terror.

www.abc.net.au

Damn Victorian Nazis.

 

[Romeoh1]

Netanyahu is a convenient excuse for "Well, Zionists are awful", but he is not driving antisemitism. And it doesn't come out of fresh air. It is stoked by a worldwide network of countless groups such as the ones who fund the coordinated marches we see weekly on our streets, as well as listed terrorist organisations that inflitrate communities via the internet and particularly target young men, ie

Australian National Security Website

The Australian Government's first priority is to keep our community safe from people who seek to do us harm.

www.nationalsecurity.gov.au

Our educational institutions, universities, are also culpable as has been acknowledged.

Of course, Albo is not a murderer, but he is a dodger, he hands off problems instead of facing them. We can't look to him for inspired leadership. He hopes fine words will look as if he is doing something but his record tells us not to get our hopes up. Reviews, enquiries, plans - "clear plans!" - look busy, but melt away after a while and he hopes everything will blow over.

It’s not fair or accurate really-albo has been quite sensible and measured. There has been a disproportionate response for some parts of the community. He keeps things steady whilst others lose the plot. He is responding with reasonable measures.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

This is all true.

Which is why so many Jewish people, including rabbis and scholars, are disgusted with Netanyahu and what is happening to innocents in Gaza. They have the self-awareness to know. It's also why so many non-Jewish people should be able to make an obvious observation about Netanyahu's actions and call it out, without being labelled antisemitic.

Just helping out the local zionists as they seemed to have missed this one.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

I have already in several posts tried to do that, but I’m obviously not articulate enough; others can explain it better than me.

Antisemitism: how the origins of history’s oldest hatred still hold sway today

Antisemitic incidents are on the rise across the globe. To understand this modern hatred we need to look into the past and understand its origins.

theconversation.com

It’s ok to line up antisemitism with all the other prejudices in the world but right now, when it is the issue of intense focus right now, don’t you think it deserves to be concentrated on exclusively without looking for equivalences to downplay it?

I think it can be identified as a current specific example of prejudice in the context of prejudice as a whole, yes. But not addressed exclusively while discounting prejudice as a whole.

 

[Kram]

You sure about that?

Calls for attack on Aboriginal site to be declared hate crime

The attack on Aboriginal protest site Camp Sovereignty is just the latest attack on First Nations sites and people. Indigenous leaders want it declared an act of terror.

www.abc.net.au

It doesn't even make any sense, they are the migrants!

Cowards just want look for easy targets.

 

[Gralin]

It doesn't even make any sense, they are the migrants!

Cowards just want look for easy targets.

Yes the big tough master race went after the women when the cops and counter protestors weren't around

And it got **** all media coverage or polticial condemnation because they were all to busy defending the good people who turned up to those rallies and condemning the anti fascists who turned up to protest the nazis that did this

 

[JackOutback]

So there’s a hierarchy of prejudices and antisemitism is low priority?

That you would read what I wrote and reply with that suggests you are not debating in good faith and are, in fact, being deliberately disingenuous.

 

[Gralin]

That you would read what I wrote and reply with that suggests you are not debating in good faith and are, in fact, being deliberately disingenuous.

I think they believe in a hierarchy and disagree with the idea you might not

 

[Demonic Ascent]

According to the pinko lefties at the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, Australia is one of the lowest taxed countries in the developed world. Likewise, when our public debt is compared with our national income, the Albanese government is one of the least indebted governments in the world.

While it’s true our public debt is approaching $1 trillion – and this will no doubt alarm many – the MYEFO reminds us that debt represents barely a third of our GDP. And, of course, that debt is backed not just by hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth of gold, shares and holdings of foreign currencies but by all the physical assets belonging to the Commonwealth, ranging from highways and houses to office towers and satellites. Just as you can’t say whether someone with a $1 million mortgage is rich or poor without asking how much they earn and what assets they own, it makes no sense to suggest a country is broke without knowing the value of all its assets.

Australia is rich. The average income per person is the 12th highest in the world, and despite our small population we are the world’s 15th biggest economy. Despite this, our business community remains determined to keep this one of the lowest taxed countries in the world, which makes those of us who rely on public schools, public hospitals and public transport feel poor.

If Australia decided to leap from being a low-tax country to imposing the average tax rate of OECD countries, we would collect an additional $132 billion a year. If we wanted to copy the Norwegians by all but scrapping higher education fees, private health insurance and private schools, and amassing an enormous sovereign wealth fund, Jim Chalmers would need to collect an additional 10 per cent of GDP, or about $292 billion a year.

We could collect an extra $292 billion in tax and we still wouldn’t be the highest tax country in the world. But we would be in line with the country with one of the best health, education and welfare systems in the world, while also being one of the most productive economies. But who would aspire to that when we could copy the United States instead?
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Good policy, it’s often said, is good politics. Given the clear evidence that privatised health and education has failed in the US, and that the publicly funded option is a success in Europe, it should be obvious that more and better public services would drive both productivity growth and swing voters Labor’s way. Labor’s first-term energy supplements pushed inflation down and their vote up. They should double down on that approach and make childcare and dental care free. It would lower inflation and inequality all at once.

Where would the money come from? Apparently there’s no such thing as a free lunch – but in Australia there is. Jim Chalmers has already managed to convince voters for the first time in decades that Labor is the better economic manager, according to the latest Australian Election Study. If he now wants to have a greater impact than Paul Keating, then there’s just one fight he needs to have: with the biggest rent seekers in the country. He needs to make foreign-owned export gas multinationals pay for our gas.

More than half the gas exported from Australia is given away free. What little revenue is collected by the petroleum resource rent tax is dwarfed by HECS-HELP repayments – but no one expects to see the head of the student union barging into the prime minister’s office and demanding a better deal for young people.

The fight Chalmers has to have

ANALYSIS: Having finally persuaded most voters that it is the better economic manager, Labor is well placed to pursue an obvious solution to the problems to come.

www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au

2026 is time for Labor to tell the special interests to get stuffed and to get real with tax reform.