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Scandal Tom Silvagni convicted of rape

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ExchangeStatMan said:
Its the first time I have listened to the whole verdict.

I general didn't know what 'digital rape' until today.




I'd say he got off a few years due to the age at the time he committed the offence, 21 years of age. Im surprised he went to uni- Monash University. He doesn't seem like the brightest spark to me despite being uni educated. Where I studied at this year they had a whole module for 1st years to do in regards to sexual misconduct on campus- im gathering its a new thing, especially this year at my university. Feels like the private school system, parents at home don't educate their young folk enough.


Genuinely didnt know Kennett had mates in prison. First I have heard of that.
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The crime you didn't know about helps put him at the bottom tier of rape crimes.
Some people here just seem to spout the word "Rape " "Rapist," As if its all defining.

  • the nature of the conduct, Deceptive Coercive.
  • level of violence, Low. ( No punching, or worse ).
  • degree of planning, The court probably determined this.
  • presence of threats or coercion, Court probably determined this.
  • victim vulnerability Court probably determined this.
  • and any lasting psychological or physical harm. Court probably determined this.
In Australia they do not differentiate between digital rape and any other form of rape.

The term Digital rape is starting to be used to refer to online victims who are co-erced or blackmailed into performing sex acts.
 
i find it interesting looking at this seriously

how does tom live again when he is released surely if your him you can’t stay in melbourne you would have to live like a recluse or go to another state/country start fresh.

how do you even step out in public again in melbourne with majority of the population knowing who he is.

with a conviction like rape i don’t think you can redeem yourself in terms of perception and reputation.
 

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cblues4864 said:
i find it interesting looking at this seriously

how does tom live again when he is released surely if your him you can’t stay in melbourne you would have to live like a recluse or go to another state/country start fresh.

how do you even step out in public again in melbourne with majority of the now population knowing who he is

with a conviction like rape i don’t think you can redeem yourself in terms of perception and reputation.
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Maybe he could go and live with Andrew.
 
cblues4864 said:
i find it interesting looking at this seriously

how does tom live again when he is released surely if your him you can’t stay in melbourne you would have to live like a recluse or go to another state/country start fresh.

how do you even step out in public again in melbourne with majority of the population knowing who he is.

with a conviction like rape i don’t think you can redeem yourself in terms of perception and reputation.
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Sounds like a Tom problem to me
 
SaintsSeptember said:
An entire module for a topic not part of your final educational requirements?
That seems kind of out there.
Not saying its not a good cause. but when you look at the education time for the likes of medical doctors, extending it for stuff like that is not .......likely to be broadly accepted.

Kid is 22, i hope that the punishment, along with the programs in place at prison, make him turn around his attitude and come back a better person.
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At Sydney University we had a module that made students aware of the consequences of what’s sexual harassment was like. It is quite clear that a lot of students especially coming from high school aren’t aware of what they should or shouldn’t be allowed to do. I’m aware that the modules was probably something along the lines of a of a 5 to 6 hour course.

I am a mature age student when I started this course over eight years ago the sexual awareness course wasn’t there. It was introduced in the last year or so to make it clear to students of the conduct they could do on campus.
 
ExchangeStatMan said:
At Sydney University we had a module that made students aware of the consequences of what’s sexual harassment was like. It is quite clear that a lot of students especially coming from high school aren’t aware of what they should or shouldn’t be allowed to do. I’m aware that the modules was probably something along the lines of a of a 5 to 6 hour course.

I am a mature age student when I started this course over eight years ago the sexual awareness course wasn’t there. It was introduced in the last year or so to make it clear to students of the conduct they could do on campus.
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Does it extend the length of the course , or does it reduce the amount of specialist education you receive ?
I can see why they have it.
And my personal experiences with high school, ( long time ago ) was that it was a sexual free for all. ( Not meaning everone was doing it with each other, just that the behavior was dreadfully worse than that in the outside world. ).
Perhaps it should be year 11 rather than uni. ( Also Uni only hits a small section of society).
 
SaintsSeptember said:
I have trouble getting gleeful at Tom Silvagni being Jailed, when the likes of Andrew Tate lives the life he lives.

Tell me he hasn't done far worse.
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What crimes has Andrew Tate committed in Australia?
 
SaintsSeptember said:
The crime you didn't know about helps put him at the bottom tier of rape crimes.
Some people here just seem to spout the word "Rape " "Rapist," As if its all defining.

  • the nature of the conduct, Deceptive Coercive.
  • level of violence, Low. ( No punching, or worse ).
  • degree of planning, The court probably determined this.
  • presence of threats or coercion, Court probably determined this.
  • victim vulnerability Court probably determined this.
  • and any lasting psychological or physical harm. Court probably determined this.
In Australia they do not differentiate between digital rape and any other form of rape.

The term Digital rape is starting to be used to refer to online victims who are co-erced or blackmailed into performing sex acts.
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Any time in jail is a major penalty for Tom Silvagni.
I have said before that in rape trials , there should be a balance between onus of proof and sentencing. That is, less onus of proof needed and slighly lesser sentencing.
Eg It would have been far better if Bruce Lehrman got 24 months jail than nothing at all.
Having said that, the more I think about the Silvagni case, and having heard the victim impact statement, he deserves what he got.
Maybe there should be a mechanism for lesser time with a guilty plea , like for most other crimes.This would result is more convictions.
Silvagni's behaviour was sociopathic and we dont know how agressive he was with the action of rape.
The girl obviously felt completely violated.
 
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SaintsSeptember said:
Does it extend the length of the course , or does it reduce the amount of specialist education you receive ?
I can see why they have it.
And my personal experiences with high school, ( long time ago ) was that it was a sexual free for all. ( Not meaning everone was doing it with each other, just that the behavior was dreadfully worse than that in the outside world. ).
Perhaps it should be year 11 rather than uni. ( Also Uni only hits a small section of society).
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There is no specific timeframe to complete the course or time limit. If one wishes to access the exam results, however they do need to complete that course. I think sometimes when your a college graduate straight out of high school at 17 or 18 years old and I probably put myself in this boat is some people may not know the consequences of their actions so it was a course to get knowledgeable about the actions one takes when. For every action there we live in a society and what you’ll find in the especially in the university setting is he just gotta be a little bit careful about what you can say- everything is bit closely monitored

Reading your posts on this thread it seems like you’re thinking that they are possibly two sides of a story and that the offence was be fitting of the crime committed by the perpetrator in this case with Silvagni. I am sure given how High profile how successful the Silvagni family is in the Melbourne social circle that Tom will be a different man and change man after this experience.


cblues4864 said:
how does tom live again when he is released surely if your him you can’t stay in melbourne you would have to live like a recluse or go to another state/country start fresh.

how do you even step out in public again in melbourne with majority of the population knowing who he is.
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Why can’t he change his life like someone like Ben Cousins did in Perth? Cousins went to prison and there was a time where people just wanted to see him escape his addiction. They wanted to see him turn his life around. People were cheering for him to get back to normality in life and from what I’ve heard is He’s on that pathway. Sometimes you need a setback in order to change. Did I say I reckon there might be some people that have sympathy for the Silvagni family and what they’re going through right now.
 
cblues4864 said:
i find it interesting looking at this seriously

how does tom live again when he is released surely if your him you can’t stay in melbourne you would have to live like a recluse or go to another state/country start fresh.

how do you even step out in public again in melbourne with majority of the population knowing who he is.

with a conviction like rape i don’t think you can redeem yourself in terms of perception and reputation.
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Should has thought about that before committing a heinous act that impacts the victim not just now the rest of her life.

The narcissistic bloke will still have his rich parents after release let’s not feel sorry for the bloke
 

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ExchangeStatMan said:
There is no specific timeframe to complete the course or time limit. If one wishes to access the exam results, however they do need to complete that course. I think sometimes when your a college graduate straight out of high school at 17 or 18 years old and I probably put myself in this boat is some people may not know the consequences of their actions so it was a course to get knowledgeable about the actions one takes when. For every action there we live in a society and what you’ll find in the especially in the university setting is he just gotta be a little bit careful about what you can say- everything is bit closely monitored

Reading your posts on this thread it seems like you’re thinking that they are possibly two sides of a story and that the offence was be fitting of the crime committed by the perpetrator in this case with Silvagni. I am sure given how High profile how successful the Silvagni family is in the Melbourne social circle that Tom will be a different man and change man after this experience.



Why can’t he change his life like someone like Ben Cousins did in Perth? Cousins went to prison and there was a time where people just wanted to see him escape his addiction. They wanted to see him turn his life around. People were cheering for him to get back to normality in life and from what I’ve heard is He’s on that pathway. Sometimes you need a setback in order to change. Did I say I reckon there might be some people that have sympathy for the Silvagni family and what they’re going through right now.
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i get it but cousins technically did not harm anyone he may have come people distress like family and close friend.

where as tom did harm someone
big difference the public don’t like rapist and pedos anyone that harms children.
 
LukeParkerno1 said:
Should has thought about that before committing a heinous act that impacts the victim not just now the rest of her life.

The narcissistic bloke will still have his rich parents after release let’s not feel sorry for the bloke
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i get it and your right.

i just find interesting how interesting due to his profile and crime committed how he lives again and if he will have to
start a new life elsewhere
 
cblues4864 said:
i get it and your right.

i just find interesting how interesting due to his profile and crime committed how he lives again and if he will have to
start a new life elsewhere
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He will be fine like every well off criminal that’s released.

Unlike the victim who has to get on with her life whilst the perpetrator still doesn’t take ownership of his actions. She’s got a life sentence too which is why I am all for coming down harder on these acts.
 

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Tigerat2020 said:
Any time in jail is a major penalty for Tom Silvagni.
I have said before that in rape trials , there should be a balance between onus of proof and sentencing. That is, less onus of proof needed and slighly lesser sentencing.
Eg It would have been far better if Bruce Lehrman got 24 months jail than nothing at all.
Having said that, the more I think about the Silvagni case, and having heard the victim impact statement, he deserves what he got.
Maybe there should be a mechanism for lesser time with a guilty plea , like for most other crimes.This would result is more convictions.
Silvagni's behaviour was sociopathic and we dont know how agressive he was with the action of rape.
The girl obviously felt completely violated.
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lol sorry but this reeks of your first true crime case. No concept of the term sociopathic. You've used the wrong term. But hey, it's a trendy word so good job. Stick to the mainstream stuff.
 
Tigerat2020 said:
Any time in jail is a major penalty for Tom Silvagni.
I have said before that in rape trials , there should be a balance between onus of proof and sentencing. That is, less onus of proof needed and slighly lesser sentencing.
Eg It would have been far better if Bruce Lehrman got 24 months jail than nothing at all.
Having said that, the more I think about the Silvagni case, and having heard the victim impact statement, he deserves what he got.
Maybe there should be a mechanism for lesser time with a guilty plea , like for most other crimes.This would result is more convictions.
Silvagni's behaviour was sociopathic and we dont know how agressive he was with the action of rape.
The girl obviously felt completely violated.
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I think that's why some murderers end up with manslaughter.
Its because the evidence for the prosecutor is shaky, so they do the deal for manslaughter. Manslaughter is "supposed " to be accidental death, but they use it as..lesser murder. Somehow.
 
danster168 said:
lol sorry but this reeks of your first true crime case. No concept of the term sociopathic. You've used the wrong term. But hey, it's a trendy word so good job. Stick to the mainstream stuff.
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Oh look it's the resident psych and criminologist extraordinaire.

What other qualifications do you hold?
 
danster168 said:
lol sorry but this reeks of your first true crime case. No concept of the term sociopathic. You've used the wrong term. But hey, it's a trendy word so good job. Stick to the mainstream stuff.
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sociopath
/ˈsəʊʃ(i)ə(ʊ)paθ,ˈsəʊsiə(ʊ)paθ/

noun
  1. a person consistently exhibiting antisocial, impulsive, and manipulative behaviour (not in current technical use).
 
SaintsSeptember said:
The crime you didn't know about helps put him at the bottom tier of rape crimes.
Some people here just seem to spout the word "Rape " "Rapist," As if its all defining.

  • the nature of the conduct, Deceptive Coercive.
  • level of violence, Low. ( No punching, or worse ).
  • degree of planning, The court probably determined this.
  • presence of threats or coercion, Court probably determined this.
  • victim vulnerability Court probably determined this.
  • and any lasting psychological or physical harm. Court probably determined this.
In Australia they do not differentiate between digital rape and any other form of rape.

The term Digital rape is starting to be used to refer to online victims who are co-erced or blackmailed into performing sex acts.
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How does digital rape put him at the bottom tier of rape crimes, whilst in Australia they do not differentiate between digital rape and any other form of rape?
 

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