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You don’t think antisemitism existed before October 7? I can assure you it did.

As did every other form of racism. What is your point?

Antisemitism is rising globally at an unprecedented and alarming rate, reaching historic highs in many countries. Data from various Jewish organizations and law enforcement agencies shows significant increases in antisemitic incidents worldwide, particularly since the October 7, 2023, Hamas attack on Israel and the subsequent war in Gaza.

Key Global Data and Trends on Rising Anti semitism since the IDF invasion of Gaza:
  • Dramatic Surge in Incidents: In 2024, the number of antisemitic incidents globally increased by approximately 340% compared to 2022 and nearly 100% compared to 2023, according to a report by the World Zionist Organization and The Jewish Agency for Israel.
  • Record Highs: The United States, which has the largest Jewish population outside of Israel, has seen record numbers of antisemitic incidents reported by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) for several consecutive years. In 2023, the ADL recorded 8,873 incidents, a 140% increase over 2022.
  • Major Increase Post-October 7: A significant portion of the increase occurred after the October 7 attacks. For example, in the UK, a 1,353% increase in antisemitic offences was reported by London's Metropolitan Police in October 2023 compared to the previous year. Australia experienced a 316% increase in incidents in the year following October 1, 2023.
  • Geographic Scope: The rise is a global phenomenon affecting North America, Europe, Australia, and parts of Latin America and Asia. Countries like France, Germany, Canada, and Australia have all reported massive spikes in incidents, including physical assaults, vandalism (such as synagogue arsons), and online hate speech.
  • Online Antisemitism: Antisemitic content online has also increased drastically, with reports showing content on some platforms rising by over 300%.
And this is a graphic representation of the rise in anti semitic attacks in Australia over ten years:

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Source: Executive Council of Australia Jewry

Two obvious conclusions:

1. The sharp rise in antisemitism since October 2023 is a global phenomenon and strongly correlated to the actions of the Israeli Government subsequent to 7 October - most particularly the ongoing slaughter of civilians in Gaza and actions such as this announced in the past 24 hours:



2. Given the global nature of this sharp increase in anti-semitism and its correlation to rising global anger at the anti-humanitarian actions of the Netanyahu Government, it is not immediately apparent HOW a Federal Royal Commission in Australia could assist in combatting antisemitism beyond the actions already taken by the Federal Government and the NSW Royal Commission to which the government has already announced full support and cooperation.

And again, I point to the considered and measured response of the Jewish Council of Australia in the days after the October massacre:

“Our grief should not be used as a political weapon, nor as an excuse to pursue agendas that divide communities. We urge the Prime Minister to reject voices which seek to use this response to divide us and pursue anti-immigration or pro-Israel agendas, and instead focus on what is needed to keep us, and all racialised communities, safe from violent acts of racism”

"We are concerned that elements of today’s announcement resemble long-standing proposals from the pro-Israel lobby which have nothing to do with addressing violent extremism."

“Responses to this terrorist attack should be squarely focused on keeping Jewish people and all communities safe, not fulfilling a pro-Israel wishlist.”

“Jewish people, and people from every single racialised group, deserve safety, and we deserve solutions that truly deliver it. Our safety and the safety of every other marginalised group go hand in hand. We need to be strengthening connections between communities and cultivating grassroots efforts to tackle racism at its core.”
“Policy which points towards universities, the protest movement and migration as the problem will only lead to more demonisation. Our Muslim and Palestinian allies are now facing extreme abuse and threats. The Government must act immediately to head off this dangerous path”

Forms of ideological policing – particularly where they are used to limit legitimate criticism of Israel — they will only make Jews less safe, and do the opposite of combatting antisemitism,”

"The Jewish Council urges the Prime Minister to ensure that the Government’s response remains grounded in evidence, focused on prevention, the widest possible consultation and committed to unity."
 
two telling sentences from the great robert richter k c

"The tragedy at Bondi was the result of a stuff-up by ASIO in not red-flagging the man for overseas travel or anything of the kind, red-flagging his father,” he said. “It was a complete stuff-up by a combination of ASIO, the federal police, NSW Police and border control. We don’t need a royal commission for that."

"Richter argues if an inquiry were to be held, it should examine hate speech and discrimination holistically – across race, religion, sex and ethnicity – rather than isolating antisemitism as a standalone category."

 
this:
'Antisemitism is a real and dangerous phenomenon. Yet this reality has been politically exploited on a wide scale in... the weaponization of antisemitism... the accusation as a tool to silence legitimate criticism of Israel rather than to confront genuine hatred."
 
As did every other form of racism. What is your point?

Antisemitism is rising globally at an unprecedented and alarming rate, reaching historic highs in many countries. Data from various Jewish organizations and law enforcement agencies shows significant increases in antisemitic incidents worldwide, particularly since the October 7, 2023, Hamas attack on Israel and the subsequent war in Gaza.

Key Global Data and Trends on Rising Anti semitism since the IDF invasion of Gaza:
  • Dramatic Surge in Incidents: In 2024, the number of antisemitic incidents globally increased by approximately 340% compared to 2022 and nearly 100% compared to 2023, according to a report by the World Zionist Organization and The Jewish Agency for Israel.
  • Record Highs: The United States, which has the largest Jewish population outside of Israel, has seen record numbers of antisemitic incidents reported by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) for several consecutive years. In 2023, the ADL recorded 8,873 incidents, a 140% increase over 2022.
  • Major Increase Post-October 7: A significant portion of the increase occurred after the October 7 attacks. For example, in the UK, a 1,353% increase in antisemitic offences was reported by London's Metropolitan Police in October 2023 compared to the previous year. Australia experienced a 316% increase in incidents in the year following October 1, 2023.
  • Geographic Scope: The rise is a global phenomenon affecting North America, Europe, Australia, and parts of Latin America and Asia. Countries like France, Germany, Canada, and Australia have all reported massive spikes in incidents, including physical assaults, vandalism (such as synagogue arsons), and online hate speech.
  • Online Antisemitism: Antisemitic content online has also increased drastically, with reports showing content on some platforms rising by over 300%.
And this is a graphic representation of the rise in anti semitic attacks in Australia over ten years:

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Source: Executive Council of Australia Jewry

Two obvious conclusions:

1. The sharp rise in antisemitism since October 2023 is a global phenomenon and strongly correlated to the actions of the Israeli Government subsequent to 7 October - most particularly the ongoing slaughter of civilians in Gaza and actions such as this announced in the past 24 hours:



2. Given the global nature of this sharp increase in anti-semitism and its correlation to rising global anger at the anti-humanitarian actions of the Netanyahu Government, it is not immediately apparent HOW a Federal Royal Commission in Australia could assist in combatting antisemitism beyond the actions already taken by the Federal Government and the NSW Royal Commission to which the government has already announced full support and cooperation.

And again, I point to the considered and measured response of the Jewish Council of Australia in the days after the October massacre:

“Our grief should not be used as a political weapon, nor as an excuse to pursue agendas that divide communities. We urge the Prime Minister to reject voices which seek to use this response to divide us and pursue anti-immigration or pro-Israel agendas, and instead focus on what is needed to keep us, and all racialised communities, safe from violent acts of racism”

"We are concerned that elements of today’s announcement resemble long-standing proposals from the pro-Israel lobby which have nothing to do with addressing violent extremism."

“Responses to this terrorist attack should be squarely focused on keeping Jewish people and all communities safe, not fulfilling a pro-Israel wishlist.”

“Jewish people, and people from every single racialised group, deserve safety, and we deserve solutions that truly deliver it. Our safety and the safety of every other marginalised group go hand in hand. We need to be strengthening connections between communities and cultivating grassroots efforts to tackle racism at its core.”
“Policy which points towards universities, the protest movement and migration as the problem will only lead to more demonisation. Our Muslim and Palestinian allies are now facing extreme abuse and threats. The Government must act immediately to head off this dangerous path”

Forms of ideological policing – particularly where they are used to limit legitimate criticism of Israel — they will only make Jews less safe, and do the opposite of combatting antisemitism,”

"The Jewish Council urges the Prime Minister to ensure that the Government’s response remains grounded in evidence, focused on prevention, the widest possible consultation and committed to unity."

The third point is, what constitutes anti-semitism? I have no doubt harassment, vilification etc of Jewish people has risen. I also have no doubt that what some people are reporting as anti-Semitic is valid criticism of the nation-state of Israel.

Until this distinction is articulated and until people stop conflating criticism of Israel with anti-semitism it is difficult to trust the numbers being reported.
 

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Until this distinction is articulated and until people stop conflating criticism of Israel with anti-semitism it is difficult to trust the numbers being reported.

Great point and that's one of the sad realities of this situation and it also works the other way.

It's one of the main reasons this conflict has no end.
 
Personally i think the Royal commission into Rooftop Insulation was an expensvie bullshit witch hunt.
It was a subsidized product. Nothing more.
If rogue operators had unsafe work practices, there was a Public Service Agency meant to address that.
Of course it was always easier to visit a factory, and check the same machine guards every 6 months, than it was to keep up with all the small insulation installers.

But if you think we got our money's worth.


Lawyers and judiciary make a fortune while recommendations are ignored. They are usually a way for politicians to stall on action that is obvious.
 
Why do you need a politicians response for a major security issue? What outcomes are you hoping for?
Good heavens. Security is (ought to be but isn’t under this government) the first priority of a government. Protect the citizens. Their policies are then enacted by the agencies. We’d like to know the reasoning behind those policies.

Did you know that Albanese removed the Directors-General of ASIO and ASIS from the National Security Committee back in 2022? They were reinstated last year, but a Royal Commission would inevitably ask questions about that. You can bet those questions will be off limits in Albo’s inquiry.
 
IMV this is a problem with our 'liberal democracy', for want of a better term, our society is lenient and sympathetic to behaviours that are anti-social and or life threatening 'we'll give em a second chance to redeem' rather than punish as a view to future deterrence.

As a staunch liberal democrat, I believe our society is far too lenient, IMV if you're an isis sympathizer then you should be separated from society, full stop. - you ain't gonna reform and it's too much of a danger to the rest of society to 'hope' on that.

How that'd be implemented I don't know, another problem.


Groups like ISIS are often the result of western interests arming militias to bring down regimes who won't hand over their fossil fuel rights. Some suggestion that ISIS were supported by the US to destabilise the ME. Often we fight bad guys while supporting them.
 
Good heavens. Security is (ought to be but isn’t under this government) the first priority of a government. Protect the citizens. Their policies are then enacted by the agencies. We’d like to know the reasoning behind those policies.

Did you know that Albanese removed the Directors-General of ASIO and ASIS from the National Security Committee back in 2022? They were reinstated last year, but a Royal Commission would inevitably ask questions about that. You can bet those questions will be off limits in Albo’s inquiry.

You said Richardson inquiry would be limited to security and intelligence.

Doesnt role of the director general of ASIO fall under these categories?

why would these be “off limits”?

Would these be picked up by the NSW RC, which is also federally backed?
 
You said Richardson inquiry would be limited to security and intelligence.

Doesnt role of the director general of ASIO fall under these categories?

why would these be “off limits”?

Would these be picked up by the NSW RC, which is also federally backed?
Not them. The politicians whose policies they enact would not be called to explain them. The parameters are quite narrow. Antisemitism is not mentioned.
 
Conversely, why are so many people on the left against calling for a Royal Commission?

It’s necessary. In spite of the word salads dished up by him and Burke. The RC into child abuse was traumatic for many but the best disinfectant is open air and sunlight. No doubt it would be uncomfortable; that’s the point. Not the $$$. If it was something they wanted to do money would be no object.
What exactly is a royal commission going to prove exactly? that 2 crazy idiots that were radicalized went on a rampage to kill innocent ppl we already know the motive...

Why waste money.
 
What exactly is a royal commission going to prove exactly? that 2 crazy idiots that were radicalized went on a rampage to kill innocent ppl we already know the motive...

Why waste money.

People like Dogs have been tricked in to thinking there’s some kind of left-wing antisemitic conspiracy to court votes in Western Sydney (their proxy term for the Muslim community) and therefore the government is ignoring antisemitism and encouraging Islamic extremism. They also want to be able to say hateful things about Muslims.

They think a RC will have this result. Which it won’t.
 
there’s some kind of left-wing antisemitic conspiracy to court votes in Western Sydney (their proxy term for the Muslim community) and therefore the government is ignoring antisemitism and encouraging Islamic extremism.
The same nonsense terms being used in the Northern Hemisphere as well. If you show compassion for immigrants - Muslims - you're accused of being a left wing shill, some wacky conspiracy involving George Soros, eradicating your country's culture and identity and allowing yourself to fall under an eventual Sharia law type system when them 'uns take over. I get that there's a lot of bots on the web putting most of that up, but folk don't do themselves the courtesy of looking it up/fact checking. Despairing stuff.
 

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But things like suspicious trips to the phillippines would be clearly acceptable for further enquiry
(do we have sufficient manpower to investigate everyones suspicious phillipines trip though)

The last thing the Australian right wants is scrutiny on suspicious trips to southeast Asia.
 
What exactly is a royal commission going to prove exactly? that 2 crazy idiots that were radicalized went on a rampage to kill innocent ppl we already know the motive...

Why waste money.
It will be way more far-reaching than that. It’s not a police investigation. It will be an OPEN enquiry, PUBLIC. It would find the root cause of antisemitism in Australia. The terrorist act was the culmination of the hate campaign that has been seething against Jews since October 7. It will especially go into what information the government was given and what advice. It’s well known that the Jewish community has been warning governments that hate has been escalating for two years and Bondi was the culmination. Organisations such as universities, arts councils, local councils, and many others across society would be questioned. Of course, politicians would have to give sworn statements.

No wonder Albanese and Burke are resisting it with every fibre of their being. They are reduced to babbling inanities in their panic. They are putting their political survival ahead of the national interest.

The Australian people need answers, and the truth.
 
It will be way more far-reaching than that. It’s not a police investigation. It will be an OPEN enquiry, PUBLIC. It would find the root cause of antisemitism in Australia. The terrorist act was the culmination of the hate campaign that has been seething against Jews since October 7. It will especially go into what information the government was given and what advice. It’s well known that the Jewish community has been warning governments that hate has been escalating for two years and Bondi was the culmination. Organisations such as universities, arts councils, local councils, and many others across society would be questioned. Of course, politicians would have to give sworn statements.

No wonder Albanese and Burke are resisting it with every fibre of their being. They are reduced to babbling inanities in their panic. They are putting their political survival ahead of the national interest.

The Australian people need answers, and the truth.

You think the terrorists were inspired by arts councils?
 
It'd be good if we could stop the bickering and consider the true victim of what happened - Sharri Markson, whose holidays were ruined after she tried to interview a so-called hero only for it to not go ahead because he went to hospital after he was shot twice.

https://www.skynews.com.au/insights...d/news-story/c994c1642ee0ae6a0677bf6a71ade568

One of the most pathetic articles you'll ever read.
He did an interview with US tv. Might have required exclusivity and Sharri missed out
 

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It would find the root cause of antisemitism in Australia. The terrorist act was the culmination of the hate campaign that has been seething against Jews since October 7.
Could be a bit of Nazism - which has been left out of these lists of "Australia's Most Antisemitic" - and a bit of anti-genocide, which isn't anti-Semitic in any way.

There. I just saved the taxpayer $50mil.
 
It'd be good if we could stop the bickering and consider the true victim of what happened - Sharri Markson, whose holidays were ruined after she tried to interview a so-called hero only for it to not go ahead because he went to hospital after he was shot twice.

https://www.skynews.com.au/insights...d/news-story/c994c1642ee0ae6a0677bf6a71ade568

One of the most pathetic articles you'll ever read.
Saves people, cucks sky news and makes them go full troppo

Absolutely Based
 
It will be way more far-reaching than that. It’s not a police investigation. It will be an OPEN enquiry, PUBLIC. It would find the root cause of antisemitism in Australia. The terrorist act was the culmination of the hate campaign that has been seething against Jews since October 7.

I'm going to stop right there in this post...

Saying "The terrorist act was the culmination of the hate campaign that has been seething against Jews since October 7."

You've been simultaneously following the conflict for years and also have been reading the forums here, is an extraordinary thing to say at this stage

It means

1. Ignoring anti-semitism obfuscation and conflation for decades, which has been explained to you multiple times even in the last two weeks but you continue to choose to ignore it

2. You're too invested in hating Muslims so you'll say anything to push that cause

3. You're ignoring that tens of thousands of children BEFORE and AFTER after October 7th have been DELIBERATELY targeted by the IDF/Israel...Most Zionist also support this

4. There are Jews, Holocaust surviors, who vehemently oppose Zionism (for the very reasons I've just stated) and you have never been able to reconcile this contradiction... instead you gloss over it and stick you fingers in your ears and pretend it's not happening. I'm pretty confident that not one of your hundreds of posts here ever address this. If I'm mistaken prove me otherwise, any I'll retract my statement.
 

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