Unsolved The Family Murders * BREAKING! Von Einem is dead

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The Who's Who List

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VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

• DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
• DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed? Reportedly deceased.

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed

LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella

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[Shadows]

A lot going on in here lately!

Regarding Saffron - I have mentioned him a fair bit throughout this thread. I have even hypothesised that the Hotel Australia could have been used as a “holding location” for victims. Further, with Saffron owning the Elephant and Castle, that was right across the road from the old Mortuary at the West Tce Cemetery. And as per my own research, there are a number of different pine trees adjacent the old Mortuary and pine needles were found with Muir’s body parts.

I also wonder whether a certain Sauna in the city may have been a holding location and potentially a place where “events” took place. Lots of wet areas there too.

And yes, the recent arrest of a well known Lawyer in town is certainly very curious timing. The matter was adjourned to “January” - does anyone know of a specific date?

The Doctor VE was getting his scripts through on Port Rd also had a certain pine tree in his front yard. I also had the same variety in mine, a few streets away from his home in Woodville South. These would drop hundred of small pine needles every day which would end up in my house carpet and my car boot.

 

[Shadows]

Thanks, I want to see for myself. With regards to CinC's claims it was a Pfennig burial.
More factors indicating it was Family related, due to the side of town and body disposition.

I don’t believe it was anything to do with “The Family or Pfenning” from my research.

 

[johnymac1]

I don’t believe it was anything to do with “The Family or Pfenning” from my research.

Because he was a male teen, he may have been wrongly tagged as a Family victim.
Definitely not part of Pfennigs MO, he carefully hid his victims. Probably in Water

My guess, there would have been a lot more chatter within the Family if it was one of their killings.
But I'm not a "Family expert", I just have a basic knowledge. I can't say either way for sure

 

[squawk]

The Doctor VE was getting his scripts through on Port Rd also had a certain pine tree in his front yard. I also had the same variety in mine, a few streets away from his home in Woodville South. These would drop hundred of small pine needles every day which would end up in my house carpet and my car boot.

This is good info - if only we knew what species of pine needles were found we could narrow down possible locations, a lot.

 

[alexlleather]

The Transgenders

This is confusing, but I have potentially untangled most of it.

There are probably 6 transgenders;

• Lewis Turtur
• Pru Firman
• Miss K
• Sarah Novak
• Noel Terrence Brooks
• Brian Gant

The Alberton house was a 3 bedroom house. Sharing this were two females (post-op transsexuals) and one male (transvestite/drag queen). They were Firman, Miss K and Turtur.

Sarah Novak, who I think was also a post-op transgender, lived at 46 Shipsters Rd, Kensington Park

Brooks and Gant were transvestites/drag queens.

After BVE's trial the Alberton crew (Turtur, Firman, Miss K) relocated to Sydney. Turtur is still there today. Firman returned to Adelaide and lived with Novak on Shipsters Rd.

Gant relocated to Perth.

It is possible Miss K and Sarah Novak are the same person


Note: we know for sure Turtur and Firman lived at Alberton. I initially assumed Brooks was the third but Young Blood says there were two post opp girls that BVE referred to as "P" and "K" and a gay man. "P" is Firman, the gay man is Turtur. But "K" is unlikely to be Brooks (99% sure he's a dude) and unlikely to be Novak. I'm also sure Turtur and Gant are/were dudes whereas Firman was a post-op TG. In Frozen Lies, Turtur doesn't know Trevor Peters so couldn't have lived next door. That means Firman and Novak lived next door to Peters.

If anyone learns anything more, let me know.

K is a trans person, who goes by the name of Kerry. Kerry and pru were best mates and I on not sure if they lived together but K. Kerry was so good looking she would have passed for a gorgeous woman, she had a husky voice. Her voice was the only thing that gave it away that she was really a male. My mate Lou dated her for a while that is how I know her. I know she used to lurer gay men in lovers lane in Adelaide for bevern Spencer von iven

 

[Zebo]

The Doctor VE was getting his scripts through on Port Rd also had a certain pine tree in his front yard. I also had the same variety in mine, a few streets away from his home in Woodville South. These would drop hundred of small pine needles every day which would end up in my house carpet and my car boot.

What variety was your pine tree?

 

[DropBearess]

Since this thread is relatively quiet atm, l have a long-held theory to introduce to gauge everyone's thoughts, just for fun.

I often wonder if Peter Stogneff was a Family victim? I suspect there are a few of us with doubts, but we haven't thought about it enough as to why this might be true. I think the Family links are quite frail; the only connection being that PS's body was cut in a similar pattern as NM's. (By the way, l'm unsure of NM's links too, but that's another story).

Here in SA, we have an incarcerated creep named Dieter Pfennig. He abducted and killed Louise Bell in January 83 and Michael Black in January 89. Both were 10 years old. Their bodies have never been found. He will die in prison.

Here are my reasons for suspecting Peter Stogneff may have been an earlier victim of Dieter Pfennig.

* All abducted in school holidays, or in PS's case, one day prior. Pfennig was a teacher.

* PS was allegedly last seen at Tea Tree Plaza with a tall dark haired man. DP fitted that description.

* DP was happy to travel to find victims. He went from Hackam to Murray Bridge to find Michael.

* LB's and MB's remains have never been found. Pfennig was a family man with limitations. How do we know Louise and Michael weren't dissected too, for convenience of disposal?

* All 3 victims had a connection with kayaking and canoeing, which was an obsession of Pfennig's Michael disappeared from the Murray River near canoeing launch areas. Louise's pyjama top contained material from the Onkaparinga River, where Pfennig regularly took his kayak. Peter Stogneff's remains were found at Middle Beach, partially buried and accidentally burned, very close to popular kayaking spots.

* Finally, how's this for the uncanny resemblance of all three, given some serial killers persue a particular type?

 

[dc3]

Since this thread is relatively quiet atm, l have a long-held theory to introduce to guage everyone's thoughts, just for fun.

I often wonder if Peter Stogneff was a Family victim? I suspect there are a few of us with doubts, but we haven't thought about it enough as to why this might be true. I think the Family links are quite frail; the only connection being that PS's body was cut in a similar pattern as NM's. (By the way, l'm unsure of NM's links too, but that's another story).

Here in SA, we have an incarcerated creep named Dieter Pfennig. He abducted and killed Louise Bell in January 83 and Michael Black in January 89. Both were 10 years old. Their bodies have never been found. He will die in prison.

Here are my reasons for suspecting Peter Stogneff may have been an earlier victim of Dieter Pfennig.

* All abducted in school holidays, or in PF's case, one day prior. Pfennig was a teacher.

* PS was allegedly last seen at Tea Tree Plaza with a tall dark haired man. DP fitted that description.

* DP was happy to travel to find victims. He went from Hackam to Murray Bridge to find Michael.

* LB's and MB's remains have never been found. Pfennig was a family man with limitations. How do we know Louise and Michael weren't dissected too, for convenience of disposal?

* All 3 victims had a connection with kayaking and canoeing, which was an obsession of Pfennig's Michael disappeared from the Murray River near canoeing launch areas. Louise's pyjama top contained material from the Onkaparinga River, where Pfennig regularly took his kayak. Peter Stogneff's remains were found at Middle Beach, partially buried and accidentally burned, very close to popular kayaking spots.

* Finally, how's this for the uncanny resemblance of all three, given some serial killers persue a particular type?

Yes I doubt the Peter Stogneff link and think it’s too easy for SAPOL at the time to just group it with the others cases

 

[johnymac1]

Since this thread is relatively quiet atm, l have a long-held theory to introduce to gauge everyone's thoughts, just for fun.

I often wonder if Peter Stogneff was a Family victim? I suspect there are a few of us with doubts, but we haven't thought about it enough as to why this might be true. I think the Family links are quite frail; the only connection being that PS's body was cut in a similar pattern as NM's. (By the way, l'm unsure of NM's links too, but that's another story).

Here in SA, we have an incarcerated creep named Dieter Pfennig. He abducted and killed Louise Bell in January 83 and Michael Black in January 89. Both were 10 years old. Their bodies have never been found. He will die in prison.

Here are my reasons for suspecting Peter Stogneff may have been an earlier victim of Dieter Pfennig.

* All abducted in school holidays, or in PS's case, one day prior. Pfennig was a teacher.

* PS was allegedly last seen at Tea Tree Plaza with a tall dark haired man. DP fitted that description.

* DP was happy to travel to find victims. He went from Hackam to Murray Bridge to find Michael.

* LB's and MB's remains have never been found. Pfennig was a family man with limitations. How do we know Louise and Michael weren't dissected too, for convenience of disposal?

* All 3 victims had a connection with kayaking and canoeing, which was an obsession of Pfennig's Michael disappeared from the Murray River near canoeing launch areas. Louise's pyjama top contained material from the Onkaparinga River, where Pfennig regularly took his kayak. Peter Stogneff's remains were found at Middle Beach, partially buried and accidentally burned, very close to popular kayaking spots.

* Finally, how's this for the uncanny resemblance of all three, given some serial killers persue a particular type?

Only last week we had a discussion along similar lines
Speculating the 13yold that escaped from Pfennigs home also had dark hair. A friend spoiled our theory and found out the escapee had fair hair.

 

[Zebo]

Since this thread is relatively quiet atm, l have a long-held theory to introduce to gauge everyone's thoughts, just for fun.

I often wonder if Peter Stogneff was a Family victim? I suspect there are a few of us with doubts, but we haven't thought about it enough as to why this might be true. I think the Family links are quite frail; the only connection being that PS's body was cut in a similar pattern as NM's. (By the way, l'm unsure of NM's links too, but that's another story).

Here in SA, we have an incarcerated creep named Dieter Pfennig. He abducted and killed Louise Bell in January 83 and Michael Black in January 89. Both were 10 years old. Their bodies have never been found. He will die in prison.

Here are my reasons for suspecting Peter Stogneff may have been an earlier victim of Dieter Pfennig.

* All abducted in school holidays, or in PS's case, one day prior. Pfennig was a teacher.

* PS was allegedly last seen at Tea Tree Plaza with a tall dark haired man. DP fitted that description.

* DP was happy to travel to find victims. He went from Hackam to Murray Bridge to find Michael.

* LB's and MB's remains have never been found. Pfennig was a family man with limitations. How do we know Louise and Michael weren't dissected too, for convenience of disposal?

* All 3 victims had a connection with kayaking and canoeing, which was an obsession of Pfennig's Michael disappeared from the Murray River near canoeing launch areas. Louise's pyjama top contained material from the Onkaparinga River, where Pfennig regularly took his kayak. Peter Stogneff's remains were found at Middle Beach, partially buried and accidentally burned, very close to popular kayaking spots.

* Finally, how's this for the uncanny resemblance of all three, given some serial killers persue a particular type?

According to evidence in the coronial inquest, IRL Peter looked older than in that photo. There are so many problems with the alleged sighting at TTP that is it unlikely to have been PS.

 

[northernsoul]

Since this thread is relatively quiet atm, l have a long-held theory to introduce to gauge everyone's thoughts, just for fun.

I often wonder if Peter Stogneff was a Family victim? I suspect there are a few of us with doubts, but we haven't thought about it enough as to why this might be true. I think the Family links are quite frail; the only connection being that PS's body was cut in a similar pattern as NM's. (By the way, l'm unsure of NM's links too, but that's another story).

Here in SA, we have an incarcerated creep named Dieter Pfennig. He abducted and killed Louise Bell in January 83 and Michael Black in January 89. Both were 10 years old. Their bodies have never been found. He will die in prison.

Here are my reasons for suspecting Peter Stogneff may have been an earlier victim of Dieter Pfennig.

* All abducted in school holidays, or in PS's case, one day prior. Pfennig was a teacher.

* PS was allegedly last seen at Tea Tree Plaza with a tall dark haired man. DP fitted that description.

* DP was happy to travel to find victims. He went from Hackam to Murray Bridge to find Michael.

* LB's and MB's remains have never been found. Pfennig was a family man with limitations. How do we know Louise and Michael weren't dissected too, for convenience of disposal?

* All 3 victims had a connection with kayaking and canoeing, which was an obsession of Pfennig's Michael disappeared from the Murray River near canoeing launch areas. Louise's pyjama top contained material from the Onkaparinga River, where Pfennig regularly took his kayak. Peter Stogneff's remains were found at Middle Beach, partially buried and accidentally burned, very close to popular kayaking spots.

* Finally, how's this for the uncanny resemblance of all three, given some serial killers persue a particular type?

I think this is what Clarity in Chaos suggests in the book.

 

[ClarityInChaos]

Unless I've missed something, you only identify doctors (as in medical practitioners) whose names are already in the public domain and who have previously received extensive publicity in the mainstream media as regards their 'association' with the family murders. Who are you talking about? Apologies if I've missed something obvious.

Yes, the doctor I’m speaking about in previous comments is SW. Now known to have been working at the Lyall Mac Hospital between the 70’s and 80’s, where countless 5L chemical bottles were vanishing

 

[ClarityInChaos]

ClarityInChaos
Love your work. Do you know when the full zoom interview with Von Einem will be released?

Thanks
The guy who has these zoom recordings (2 hours worth all up) wants to release them asap, however, he wants to do so the right way and also be somewhat compensated for the amount of money he was paying into Von Einem’s account just to get these recordings. So he currently has an offer on the table from 60 minutes that he’s considering

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

Thanks
The guy who has these zoom recordings (2 hours worth all up) wants to release them asap, however, he wants to do so the right way and also be somewhat compensated for the amount of money he was paying into Von Einem’s account just to get these recordings. So he currently has an offer on the table from 60 minutes that he’s considering

Unfortunate he’ll only release it for compensation.
The ‘right way’ would be to release it in its entirety for everyone to see. But that might just be me.

 

[ClarityInChaos]

Unfortunate he’ll only release it for compensation.
The ‘right way’ would be to release it in its entirety for everyone to see. But that might just be me.

‘The right way’ refers to a larger audience being able to view the recordings, and it being done in a way that is respectful to the victims families. Most MSM channels can’t be trusted in that sense. 60 minutes seems to be the best option. Though I suppose we’ll have to wait and see how that pans out. I do believe that compensation is fair. The guy didn’t spend thousands of dollars out of his own pocket to get these recordings just because he wanted to become BVE’s friend. He did it for a purpose, which was to get what no one else has managed to from him.

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

‘The right way’ refers to a larger audience being able to view the recordings, and it being done in a way that is respectful to the victims families. Most MSM channels can’t be trusted in that sense. 60 minutes seems to be the best option. Though I suppose we’ll have to wait and see how that pans out. I do believe that compensation is fair. The guy didn’t spend thousands of dollars out of his own pocket to get these recordings just because he wanted to become BVE’s friend. He did it for a purpose, which was to get what no one else has managed to from him.

Sure - but going in to it, surely he knew it would cost him to buddy up to Bevan and David? If he’s in contact with the antique clock man, he can surely tap him for compensation.

If he is serious about making this stuff public, his back pocket shouldn’t be his concern.

 

[Angus Young]

‘The right way’ refers to a larger audience being able to view the recordings, and it being done in a way that is respectful to the victims families. Most MSM channels can’t be trusted in that sense. 60 minutes seems to be the best option. Though I suppose we’ll have to wait and see how that pans out. I do believe that compensation is fair. The guy didn’t spend thousands of dollars out of his own pocket to get these recordings just because he wanted to become BVE’s friend. He did it for a purpose, which was to get what no one else has managed to from him.

If there is something explosive on these interviews they will be gold.

But I wouldn't be holding my breath.

 

[claude henry smoot]

‘The right way’ refers to a larger audience being able to view the recordings, and it being done in a way that is respectful to the victims families. Most MSM channels can’t be trusted in that sense. 60 minutes seems to be the best option. Though I suppose we’ll have to wait and see how that pans out. I do believe that compensation is fair. The guy didn’t spend thousands of dollars out of his own pocket to get these recordings just because he wanted to become BVE’s friend. He did it for a purpose, which was to get what no one else has managed to from him.

Compensation for money spent is one thing, making a profit is another. I guess we'll just have to trust that he is only persuing the amount that he spent, or that any extra will benefit the families of the victims somehow or be invested in further investigation into these crimes? But who exactly is this person that he should be trusted?

 

[johnymac1]

If there is something explosive on these interviews they will be gold.

But I wouldn't be holding my breath.

I've listened to most of the conversations. Ccwb is leading the person interviewed in most instances.
Very much dictating the narrative. Haven't heard anything useful yet

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

Compensation for money spent is one thing, making a profit is another. I guess we'll just have to trust that he is only persuing the amount that he spent, or that any extra will benefit the families of the victims somehow or be invested in further investigation into these crimes? But who exactly is this person that he should be trusted?

Precisely.

And who is this person, anyway? Why should we trust him at all?

Personally, anybody who was speaking to DR on such an informal friendly basis should have a significant cloud of doubt hanging over them. I’ll say it again, if he’s pressed for money, ask some of your newly acquired rich friends.

As for CiC - can you explain a) how you managed to misspell The Lyell McEwin hospital whilst referencing it, and also how you decided that Brian Gant is Clocker?

 

[Zebo]

Unfortunate he’ll only release it for compensation.
The ‘right way’ would be to release it in its entirety for everyone to see. But that might just be me.

I don't have a problem with wanting to be paid. If someone has done the work, they are entitled to seek to be compensated for it.

ClarityinChaos, if he sells his material, does he lose the ability to share the complete audio, so all anyone will hear is whatever snippets the media, as owner, chose to release?

 

[ClarityInChaos]

ClarityinChaos, if he sells his material, does he lose the ability to share the complete audio, so all anyone will hear is whatever snippets the media, as owner, chose to release?

This is a very good question, and could even be why he’s taking his time agreeing to anything. I dare say he wouldn’t agree to sign over the rights if it means he won’t be able to share them himself

 

[ClarityInChaos]

Precisely.

And who is this person, anyway? Why should we trust him at all?

Personally, anybody who was speaking to DR on such an informal friendly basis should have a significant cloud of doubt hanging over them. I’ll say it again, if he’s pressed for money, ask some of your newly acquired rich friends.

As for CiC - can you explain a) how you managed to misspell The Lyell McEwin hospital whilst referencing it, and also how you decided that Brian Gant is Clocker?

I’m human, like yourself, and it’s laughable that anyone believes I should be held to a higher standard. People make mistakes. Especially when it comes to a case that has so many crossovers with the people involved. I am well aware that CW is clocker, and I made the mistake of looping him in with another that was involved - my bad. As for the misspelling of something? Surely you know how auto correct works. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that with the research I’ve done into BVE, his brothers name would come into it a whole lot more than that specific hospital. Ergo, auto correct error. But okay.

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

I’m human, like yourself, and it’s laughable that anyone believes I should be held to a higher standard. People make mistakes. Especially when it comes to a case that has so many crossovers with the people involved. I am well aware that CW is clocker, and I made the mistake of looping him in with another that was involved - my bad. As for the misspelling of something? Surely you know how auto correct works. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that with the research I’ve done into BVE, his brothers name would come into it a whole lot more than that specific hospital. Ergo, auto correct error. But okay.

Nobody is expect in a higher standard - I just don’t really appreciate someone writing a book and getting the details wrong, and so blatantly wrong.

 

[ClarityInChaos]

Nobody is expect in a higher standard - I just don’t really appreciate someone writing a book and getting the details wrong, and so blatantly wrong.

Let’s not pretend that my book is what has you triggered right now, bud. You’re throwing a tantrum because your words put you in the firing line with BL. What were you expecting though? That calling out BL on here wouldn’t get back to him? Or is it that when he assumed your username belonged to me, you expected that I’d just sit back and take the doxing for you silently, when I had nothing even remotely to do with it? Hate on me all you want bud. Actions have consequences