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Opinion AUSTRALIAN Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 6

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MrKK said:
We received NDIS funding when our son had some speech development issues and frankly we didn't need it. It wasn't remotely close to what I would consider a disability and we could afford private speech therapy if we wanted to.

At the time I thought that if NDIS funding is used for our situation then no wonder the spending is out of control.
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If you didnt need it, why did you apply for it? Not against you doing it. No doubt its a medical safety net for your son so if anything changed with your income he was still able to get the treatment he needed.

Im not sure this is what Kane meant though. I think he meant that without checks and balances it left itself open to fraud where people embellished disabilities for greater funding etc.
 
StonesThrow said:
They cost a lot money and almost always lead to nothing. They're a bit of a joke.

I have no problem with them not conducting one, so long as they also stop with other useless ones. I reckon he'll end up bowing to pressure. Israel has a lot of influence.
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Wasnt there a royal commission recently where the government said they will not incorporate any of the recommendations as it disagrees with the findings. I cant recall which one. But i remember it being in the news. I think it was a previous government initiated royal commission that made the current government at the time look bad so they disowned it.

But some royal commissions have worked well especially if its not overly political in nature.
 
adelaidecrows said:
If you didnt need it, why did you apply for it? Not against you doing it. No doubt its a medical safety net for your son so if anything changed with your income he was still able to get the treatment he needed.

Im not sure this is what Kane meant though. I think he meant that without checks and balances it left itself open to fraud where people embellished disabilities for greater funding etc.
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Pretty sure either GP or speech pathologist suggested we'd be eligible and I'm not going to turn down free money.

I'm sure there is pure fraud in NDIS but probably not as much as waste like our situation or medical professionals over-treatimg as they know the patient won't be paying.
 
adelaidecrows said:
History tells you they most likely do. The fact is Israel is a UN made country to house displaced Jews after the war. They stole land of Palestine by manipulating other middle eastern countries to support the move. I cant imagine its overly fair to expect other middle eastern countries just to be happy about it.
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Isis want a caliphate, they don't want any actual countries.
 

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MrKK said:
Pretty sure either GP or speech pathologist suggested we'd be eligible and I'm not going to turn down free money.

I'm sure there is pure fraud in NDIS but probably not as much as waste like our situation or medical professionals over-treatimg as they know the patient won't be paying.
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thats not waste. thats what it was set up for. Make sure people got the care they needed without placing any financial strain on families whether they could afford it or not. What if you lost your job or worse? Thats what it exists for.

Im under the impression there is a lot of fraud. Some report about 5% fraud or about $2B dollars.
 
adelaidecrows said:
thats not waste. thats what it was set up for. Make sure people got the care they needed without placing any financial strain on families whether they could afford it or not. What if you lost your job or worse? Thats what it exists for.

Im under the impression there is a lot of fraud. Some report about 5% fraud or about $2B dollars.
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It was set up so families with disabilities can afford necessary treatment they otherwise wouldn't be able to, often because the they can't work to capacity due to carer responsibilities.

None of that applied in our situation. It was a minor issue with forming some words/sounds, both parents were still able to work and our household income was above average. There would be many cases like ours.
 
MrKK said:
It was set up so families with disabilities can afford necessary treatment they otherwise wouldn't be able to, often because the they can't work to capacity due to carer responsibilities.

None of that applied in our situation. It was a minor issue with forming some words/sounds, both parents were still able to work and our household income was above average. There would be many cases like ours.
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I guess the onus is on people to not apply for it if they didnt need it then isnt it?

Or do you want it to be so hard to apply for that half the people who genuinely need the funding cant get it because they go by family earnings and assetts. The good 'ol american style.

I get your point though. I think the hard part is just where do you draw the line. Its easy to say in your circumstance you shouldnt have been eligible but there could be 5 other families with your same income and issues with their children as you but they are being smashed by expenses. I just dont think its as black and white.
 
Daniel6 said:
I wonder if those people calling for a royal commission are willing to increase their taxes to cover the $600 million dollar cost for a RC?

$600 million is a fair amount of money.

BTW…I’m not for or against one, but they do cost a lot of money.
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Found that sort of cash for the Voice vote
 
George CantStandYa said:
Blaming the Libs for being political in calling for the Royal commission
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Imo, there should be a RC & the ALP are digging a bigger hole the longer they delay.

Also, the Liberals making it personal, blaming the likes of Albanese & Wong for the attacks has been pathetic.

Have been disappointed in both major parties handling of Bondi.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
Imo, there should be a RC & the ALP are digging a bigger hole the longer they delay.

Also, the Liberals making it personal, blaming the likes of Albanese & Wong for the attacks has been pathetic.

Have been disappointed in both major parties handling of Bondi.
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What is the royal commission going to be about though?

I get the anger but its really not going to come out with anything new. What would be the scope. Hate Speech - By who? Online? by people in the community? what defines hate speech? if its immigration, well it doesnt apply here because they weren't new immigrants.

Is it the response of law enforcement or how its monitored? Law enforcement as far as I am aware has been the one that has said it doesnt need it nor want it. So I presume they are happy with their powers.

Gun ownership? its pretty tough. But is a crack down on ownership going to prevent it.

Im not saying dont have one, but i think we already know the answers. Do we need to spend that amount of money on answers we already know with no certainty the government changes anything.

There was no royal commission on Lindt Cafe either. The one we need is covid because we dont know the answers.
 
Daniel6 said:
I wonder if those people calling for a royal commission are willing to increase their taxes to cover the $600 million dollar cost for a RC?

$600 million is a fair amount of money.

BTW…I’m not for or against one, but they do cost a lot of money.
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Idiots cost the taxpayer and future generations 100’s of billions of dollars by shutting down the country for a sniffle and sore throat!
 

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adelaidecrows said:
I guess the onus is on people to not apply for it if they didnt need it then isnt it?

Or do you want it to be so hard to apply for that half the people who genuinely need the funding cant get it because they go by family earnings and assetts. The good 'ol american style.

I get your point though. I think the hard part is just where do you draw the line. Its easy to say in your circumstance you shouldnt have been eligible but there could be 5 other families with your same income and issues with their children as you but they are being smashed by expenses. I just dont think its as black and white.
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No-one is going to turn their back on NDIS funding they're entitled to, just like they didn't send back their GFC stimulus checks or don't claim tax deductions because they feel they already have enough money. Not happening.

It needs better means testing and eligibility criteria. I feel a lot of government welfare processes are designed so all but the most desperate will be discouraged from applying; they go too far, but NDIS is too far in the other direction.

And it's not for government spending to bail out people who are bad with money. If they are "smashed by expenses" because they live in a more expensive city or they have many children then make it part of the eligibility assessment.
 
adelaidecrows said:
What is the royal commission going to be about though?

I get the anger but its really not going to come out with anything new. What would be the scope. Hate Speech - By who? Online? by people in the community? what defines hate speech? if its immigration, well it doesnt apply here because they weren't new immigrants.

Is it the response of law enforcement or how its monitored? Law enforcement as far as I am aware has been the one that has said it doesnt need it nor want it. So I presume they are happy with their powers.

Gun ownership? its pretty tough. But is a crack down on ownership going to prevent it.

Im not saying dont have one, but i think we already know the answers. Do we need to spend that amount of money on answers we already know with no certainty the government changes anything.

There was no royal commission on Lindt Cafe either. The one we need is covid because we dont know the answers.
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Surely you're not comparing the the Lindt Cafe siege to the Bondi Beach massacre which clearly targeted the Jewish people.
 
Mutineer said:
Surely you're not comparing the the Lindt Cafe siege to the Bondi Beach massacre which clearly targeted the Jewish people.
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A terrorist attack is a terrorist attack is it not. It's fine to want a royal Commission but arguing semantics over my post is ridiculous
 
adelaidecrows said:
A terrorist attack is a terrorist attack is it not. It's fine to want a royal Commission but arguing semantics over my post is ridiculous
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Nope, Man Monis's actions were targeted against Australians, the Akrams strictly targeted Jews and is about as far as you can take anti-Semitism levels to.
 

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adelaidecrows said:
What is the royal commission going to be about though?

I get the anger but its really not going to come out with anything new. What would be the scope. Hate Speech - By who? Online? by people in the community? what defines hate speech? if its immigration, well it doesnt apply here because they weren't new immigrants.

Is it the response of law enforcement or how its monitored? Law enforcement as far as I am aware has been the one that has said it doesnt need it nor want it. So I presume they are happy with their powers.

Gun ownership? its pretty tough. But is a crack down on ownership going to prevent it.

Im not saying dont have one, but i think we already know the answers. Do we need to spend that amount of money on answers we already know with no certainty the government changes anything.

There was no royal commission on Lindt Cafe either. The one we need is covid because we dont know the answers.
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RC is needed fo ensure there is a full transparent review into what could be potentially done to minimise the chances of a Bondi occurring again.

1 Role of ASIO & AFP... who funny enough are against any review, which makes me suspicious as to what they missed.

2 Gun laws. Can't have ordinary citizens with a cache of guns.

3 Hate speech. Cracking down harder on those who promote violence against others.
 
StonesThrow said:
Ley can run with this for the entirety of 2026. Gives her something to do before she is upended by one of her colleagues.
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What I want to know is how can Ley get Russia confused with USSR?
Its been Russia for a long time.
She will never be anymore than opposition leader.

Albanese was a good Opposition leader and put pressure on Morrison govt.
Kane McGoodwin said:
RC is needed fo ensure there is a full transparent review into what could be potentially done to minimise the chances of a Bondi occurring again.

1 Role of ASIO & AFP... who funny enough are against any review, which makes me suspicious as to what they missed.

2 Gun laws. Can't have ordinary citizens with a cache of guns.

3 Hate speech. Cracking down harder on those who promote violence against others.
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Isn't Albo doing 2 & 3 already.
 
Mutineer said:
Nope, Man Monis's actions were targeted against Australians, the Akrams strictly targeted Jews and is about as far as you can take anti-Semitism levels to.
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Both were senseless killing of Australians.

The lives of Non-Jewish Australians are worth as much as Jewish Australians.
 
King Patty said:
What I want to know is how can Ley get Russia confused with USSR?
Its been Russia for a long time.
She will never be anymore than opposition leader.

Albanese was a good Opposition leader and put pressure on Morrison govt.

Isn't Albo doing 2 & 3 already.
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Not doing 1, which imo appears to be the greatest failure.
 

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