Vic The joke that is the Victorian Liberal Party.

[kalex6251]

Maybe if he had included "RWNJ" and "Lib fanboi" in his announcement, he might have got more attention.

BTW, his announcement on the front page of the websites of the H-Sun, The Age, The AFR, The Australian this morning, with the two Melbourne dailies also having op eds on it.

If that is largely quiet, I'll need industrial strength headphones for when they started actually getting noisy.

in the event wilson gets elected - will you be expecting a govt job - or paid position within the administration?

 

[The Punter]

in the event wilson gets elected - will you be expecting a job?

A delightful way to not address my comment in even the slightest way.

To do you the service that has not been reciprocated, the answer to your question is through a long time in and around politics, I've come to expect nothing.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

The party of which I am a member is clearly at a crossroads. The events of 2005-2007 prove the ALP is largely indestructible. The union movement, regardless of overall membership levels across the workforce, will endure (and it is a main function of Industry Super) and as a result, will always ensure the functional operation of their political wing.

And none of what you described is the inescapable effect of the existence of a major political party. Like all organisations, such as political parties, sporting clubs or businesses, they are only collections of people and therefore all that is needed is for people to decide to behave differently.

I think Labor aren't all that far behind the Liberals to be honest. I think theyre making the same mistake.
Both majors are becoming stale at different rates.

 

[geoffjennings79]

I think Labor aren't all that far behind the Liberals to be honest. I think theyre making the same mistake.
Both majors are becoming stale at different rates.

ALP just lucky the centre-left/left vote fracture is largely to the Greens, whose voters then largely preference back to the ALP. The fracture to the right of Libs is more pronounced, and Teals have accelerated their demise. But yeah, agree with your substantive point, the primary vote of both majors is tanking, just more steeply (so far) for Libs.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Labor are certainly in a better position because they’re closer to the centre and that’s where you’ll get most votes.

The LNP keep moving to the right so the Labor Party have picked up many swinging voters, and the teals have grabbed those that they haven’t.

Having said that, Labor’s fairly determined to stand for as little as possible (especially under Albanese), so people will grow tired of that too.

The problem with Albo as a leader is always the same, he doesn’t actually stand for or believe in anything so doesn’t inspire anybody. His absolute political pragmatism has just made him a complete slave to small target-ism. It’s a shame because the ALP have so much electoral capital at the moment - they have a 50 seat margin ffs - and he won’t use any of it.

 

[Saint]

Labor are certainly in a better position because they’re closer to the centre and that’s where you’ll get most votes.

The LNP keep moving to the right so the Labor Party have picked up many swinging voters, and the teals have grabbed those that they haven’t.

Having said that, Labor’s fairly determined to stand for as little as possible (especially under Albanese), so people will grow tired of that too.

The problem with Albo as a leader is always the same, he doesn’t actually stand for or believe in anything so doesn’t inspire anybody. His absolute political pragmatism has just made him a complete slave to small target-ism. It’s a shame because the ALP have so much electoral capital at the moment - they have a 50 seat margin ffs - and he won’t use any of it.

Thats how all ALP leaders end up. They serve the party first, public second. So they look weak when they reach the top job because they're still sub-servient to the party.

The problem in the LNP is that to reach the top you've now got to espouse or tolerate some completely nonsense ideas to appease a certain faction of the Party, or just a small part of it which Punter pointed out.

 

[Golden_6]

Labor are certainly in a better position because they’re closer to the centre and that’s where you’ll get most votes.

The LNP keep moving to the right so the Labor Party have picked up many swinging voters, and the teals have grabbed those that they haven’t.

Having said that, Labor’s fairly determined to stand for as little as possible (especially under Albanese), so people will grow tired of that too.

The problem with Albo as a leader is always the same, he doesn’t actually stand for or believe in anything so doesn’t inspire anybody. His absolute political pragmatism has just made him a complete slave to small target-ism. It’s a shame because the ALP have so much electoral capital at the moment - they have a 50 seat margin ffs - and he won’t use any of it.

I wouldn't say that they stand for nothing. I think they certainly play both sides of the coin when it comes to big international political disputes and try to piss off at little people as possible on those issues (both locally and internationally).

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I wouldn't say that they stand for nothing. I think they certainly play both sides of the coin when it comes to big international political disputes and try to piss off at little people as possible on those issues (both locally and internationally).

Building Australia's Future

Find out about Anthony Albanese's and Labor’s policies.

alp.org.au

The cupboard is very bare.

Albo really needs some big reform policies - he needs to build some things - but he seems to run scared from everything.

It's the way of too many modern governments - the whole exercise is just about avoiding risk, so they end up doing basically nothing.

 

[Saint]

Building Australia's Future

Find out about Anthony Albanese's and Labor’s policies.

alp.org.au

The cupboard is very bare.

Albo really needs some big reform policies - he needs to build some things - but he seems to run scared from everything.

It's the way of too many modern governments - the whole exercise is just about avoiding risk, so they end up doing basically nothing.

The whole exercise is about gaining power and then consolidating it between yourself and the donors to your party.

It's about preserving power, not seeking improvement.

It's probably only the Liberals really seeking improvement at the minute. Unfortunately their idea of improvement is more Jesus.

 

[CarnTheScray]

I think Labor aren't all that far behind the Liberals to be honest. I think theyre making the same mistake.
Both majors are becoming stale at different rates.

The criticism for things like the machete bins and the bail law change which her govt was the first to change in 20 years despite having multiple premiers in that time is all unjustifiable rubbish pushed by the Murdoch media.

However things like feeling left out of funding if you live in western suburbs are justified and felt when you see Melton is the fastest growing area in the country yet nothing can get built there, meanwhile the not-so-safe seats in the city and east get shiny new facilities in a decent amount of time.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Labor are certainly in a better position because they’re closer to the centre and that’s where you’ll get most votes.

The LNP keep moving to the right so the Labor Party have picked up many swinging voters, and the teals have grabbed those that they haven’t.

Having said that, Labor’s fairly determined to stand for as little as possible (especially under Albanese), so people will grow tired of that too.

The problem with Albo as a leader is always the same, he doesn’t actually stand for or believe in anything so doesn’t inspire anybody. His absolute political pragmatism has just made him a complete slave to small target-ism. It’s a shame because the ALP have so much electoral capital at the moment - they have a 50 seat margin ffs - and he won’t use any of it.

It’s a shame because we’ve had Labor PMs with less support but more ambition like Whitlam, Keating Rudd etc. eventually get ousted because of inner party conflict and media bias.

Albo and current Labor however have more support than any party, not just Labor, ANY party has ever had. Have never seen such a time in my life where a party could make decisions that may ruffle the media but would mostly be supported by the people.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Any truth to the claims that the Allan Govt has cut funding to fire services? Seen that claim floating around but have been out of the loop on it.

Sources would be welcome too thanks.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Any truth to the claims that the Allan Govt has cut funding to fire services? Seen that claim floating around but have been out of the loop on it.

Sources would be welcome too thanks.

The government is taking on the union and the union is not happy. Any claims about funding changes would 100% be from a union source.

 

[CarnTheScray]

The government is taking on the union and the union is not happy. Any claims about funding changes would 100% be from a union source.

Yes that is my issue with finding a source. It’s either from them or from…The Age.

My question I’d ask after knowing the real nature of the budget cuts is: is it actually impacting their ability to fight these fires? Like what seemed to happen in 2020 in NSW? Obviously that is a very subjective question when the reality is more that they can only contain fires in these conditions rather than stop them.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Yes that is my issue with finding a source. It’s either from them or from…The Age.

My question I’d ask after knowing the real nature of the budget cuts is: is it actually impacting their ability to fight these fires? Like what seemed to happen in 2020 in NSW? Obviously that is a very subjective question when the reality is more that they can only contain fires in these conditions rather than stop them.

I think you can safely assume that whatever the Age has printed came via a union source too.

There is always equipment that is in need of updating/replacing. That isn't so much an issue of recent change/budget cuts but has always been a point of contention between the government and both FRV and CFA. In the lead up to an election, I'm sure "budget cuts" will get used but I think that misrepresents the problem, which is an underspend over many years and even decades on updating/replacing equipment. The government will spruik whatever new equipment was purchased and talk that up, while the firies will point to the older equipment and talk about how much of that needs replacing.